Islam Thread (2)

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by OJLeb, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. FreedomSeeker

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    "Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter." - 2:191
     
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    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah [you know, America, Europe, etc] or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [what truth could there be in a pedophile's relgion?] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah [the most biggotted tax in world history] willingly while they are humbled." 9:29

    Fight, fight, fight! Seems that Mohammad was part of some desert Fight Club or something since the Qur'an is more about fighting than loving or peace etc. Obviously not a great religion to stick to.
     
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    You know that's about the conduct of defensive war.
     
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    Yes I have explained this too him many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times.

    Eventually you need to realise some people just aren't meant to understand this.

    So, I put him on ignore :)
     
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    No, Mohammad spread Islam throughout the penninsula, due to OFFENSIVE warfare (not all was offensive, but enough was to make him nothing more than a common warlord who had an invisible friend.)

    That warlord either participated in or planned and sent 84 military expeditions in under 10 years, that's roughly one every 6 weeks. Clearly a power-hungry warlord.

    Despite OJLeb's deflections, offensive warfare is mandated to Muslims: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Offensive_Fighting_Mandated
     
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    A man of peace, like Ghandi or Madela, would leave the fighting to generals, and focus on peace and love, and wouldn't approve of war-booty, torture etc. like the savage warlord did.
    "Islam was spread by the sword" is a common saying, cuz it's true. Look at the actions of the Jihadis today!

    Modern Secular Humanism promotes no warlords, or torturers, or child-rapists, or Jew-haters, so it's a far far better alternative than the desert pre-medeival barbarity of the "religion of violence".

    OJLeb, you can ignore me, but you can't ignore the fact that there is an alternative to worshipping a violent, savage, Jew-hating, women-hating, invisible friend in the sky who is so inept that Muslims countries always lag behind in most all indicators of success (live-births, medical and scientific progress, Nobel Prizes, women's rights, gay rights, peace, etc.) Your "Allah" has abandoned the Muslims, because he never existed in the first place. If he was real, Muslims would obviously LEAD the world in most categories, instead of always bringing up the rear. Sorry that the truth hurts so much.
     
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    Narated By AbuHurayrah : The Prophet (pbuh) said: A man never did a good deed but removed a thorny branch from the road; it was either in the tree and someone cut it and threw it on the road, or it was lying in it, he removed it. Allah accepted this good deed of his and brought him into Paradise.
     
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    Mohammad did have some good advice (but Hitler probably did too, so....).
    Aren't you ANGRY that your belief system teaches people to wage Jihad against non-believers (we are seeing that almost every day in the news....just check out thereligionofpeace.com for a blow-by-blow account of the atrocities committed every single day in the name of your imaginary friend)? Then check into modern Secular Humanism which has no, repeat no, teachings about killing non-believers....none, zip, nada...that's because it' far more peaceful than a belief system started by a rape-approving warlord who was too stupid to know anything about democracy. Mohammad only knew totalitarian brutality, that's because "Allah" wasn't real, or "Allah" would have told Mohammad about democracy.
     
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    More approval of rape from the savage himself:
    Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
    Sahih Muslim 8:3432

    From http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam
     
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    But Ghandi doesn't go to paradise, Mother Teresa doesn't go to paradise, the most moral person in history (say that person is a Buddhist) doesn't go to paradise, because they picked a different imaginary friend, right? Even though "Allah" won't give us a fricking sign that he even EXISTS, much less is the one true god out of the 200,000 gods/prophets who have ever existed!

    Does that sound FAIR to you?
     
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    More approval of rape by the most twisted man to possibly have ever lived, from the book followed by 1.5 billion people:

    Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess [SEX-SLAVES!]. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
    Qur'an 4:24
     
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    I can quote warm fuzzy words from, say, Chicken Soup for the Soul, all day long, but it doesn't mean that it's author is "god".
     
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    [video=youtube;FF3GVYrFMEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF3GVYrFMEM[/video]
     
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    If Islam was real, and "Allah" was real, he would see to it that Muslims (who pray to him, etc.) would LEAD the world in science and many many other big categories of life today (not just lead it in terrorism, torture, wife-beating, honor-killings, etc.) But they clearly don't, so "Allah" probably doesn't exist, eh? Countries that more adopt modern Secular Humanism tend to lead in those categories, and there's a reason for that.
     
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    Over the next week or so, I will prepare short biographies of the wives of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - or, the Mother's of the Believers as they are known throughout the Islamic world. They will be fairly short, because unfortunately I can't fit a lot of text on my cellphone and I don't have access to a computer all the time. So feel free to ask any sincere questions you may have about them, and I will do my best to answer. Insha'Allah (God Willing).

    And just so you know, you will see '(RA)' a lot in these posts. These have similar meaning to '(pbuh)' or '(SAW)' (those two mean basically the same thing, Peace Be Upon Him/Her/Them and Sallallahu Alayhi Wasalam). '(RA)' stands for Radiallahu Ahnu/Ahna, which means May Allah be Pleased With Him/Her. In this case, it will be her.

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    Khadija bint Khuwaylid (RA) was born in 555 CE.

    Khadija (RA) was a very successful business women in her time. Belonging to the Banu Hashim clan of the pagan Quraish tribe in Mecca (as did Muhammad (pbuh)), she was looked upon very highly among the tribe and was well respected. Khadija (RA) was also known as a generous woman, spending out of her wealth to help those in need.

    She was widowed twice in her life, but had 3 daughters with her two husbands (married separately).

    Khadija (RA) hired Muhammad (pbuh) and some other men to take a caravan to Syria, paying him double for it. The caravan brought back twice the reward expected, and Khadija (RA) would then hire Muhammad (pbuh) to bring a caravan to Yemen.

    It was during the trip to Syria that a Christian monk by the name Nestora who told Khadija's (RA) servant about Muhammad's (pbuh) future as a Prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) impressed Khadija (RA) so much she wanted to marry him. After having a dream, which her cousin interpreted as a message that they will get married, she had another relative ask Muhammad (pbuh) if he would marry her. They would get married and have 6 children.

    Khadija (RA) was the very first convert to Islam, earning her the title "Mother of Islam". She was very supportive of Muhammad (pbuh) during the early days of his Prophethood. This resulted in the boycott of the Banu Hisham. But she helped him get through a lot, and stayed loyal and loving until the end.

    At the age of 65, Khadija (RA) passed away.
     
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    I thought Nestor was a Christian Monk....
     
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    Fixed it, thanks.
     
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    That's a version of the Old Testament for the Jews. Be sure to condemn it as well.

    Prisoners of War
    http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/prisoners_of_war/dt21_10a.html
     
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    The Israelites/Hebrews/Jews started it (offensive warfare). Read the Old Testament.
     
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    It's hereby condemned.

    Too bad religious people look towards the past more than the future. Modern Secular Humanism looks more towards the incredible future than religion do.
     
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    I'm glad I'm not Jewish, Muslim or Christian. I'm glad I think for myself.
     
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    Perhaps OJ should familiarize himself with the concept of "polishing a turd".
     
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    I'd be embarrassed trying to glorify an illiterate, uneducated, cold-blooded murderer, rapist, misogynist, warlord, caravan robber, womanizer, pedophile, when there are so many many people throughout history who are anything but that. So instead, quote Einstein, etc. But hey, that's just me. But even though Mohammad was immoral, I believe that OJLeb is not.

    18 of the 19 claims about Mohammad in that crude Mohammad movie are true, so realize that Mohammad's life was just a bad movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=plcp
     

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