You claimed the ''Islamic doctrine'' teaches murder. That Islamic terrorists murder indiscriminately is no more evidence that the Quran teaches murder, than that Christian IRA terrorists murder indiscriminately is evidence that the Bible teaches the same. So, where is your evidence?
the parable is easy. Truth is the 'promise' that one day knowledge will unveil itself. Once established (born), then a house (zion) of knowledge, but for all to learn ever pure truth of reality. To be fed truth is what the concept of church is about, but in its final forum, housing the last word to all arguments, 'the name of god'. (defining the transition of mass/energy/time). That LAST set, of grounded truth, is what quran is told to be. But most already know better Basically we are up for a paradigm shift of comprehending what we are as living things within existence. To be ignorant of truth can be hell in itself compared to 'bliss', with peace of mind.
Jesus and his teachings say nothing about murdering for his cause and the Quran does condone killing to further the cause of Islam. Do you dispute that?
This thread is about Islam. If you want to discuss Christianity and the teachings in the Bible specifically, please start another thread. Do I take it by your lack of evidence regarding ''Islamic doctrine'' teaching murder, you have none?
Jesus never taught murder and neither does the New Testament. The IRA terrorists are not acting like Jesus. However, when Islamists use terror and murder, they are acting exactly like Muhammed and what he taught. Therefore, your comparison is not valid.
Like I said, as far as I can tell what you are referring to is permission for Muslims to fight those who fight them. In other words, you are mistaken, but feel free to support your allegation by quoting whichever verses in the Quran you think ''teach murder.''
My comparison was perfectly valid, as it concerned actions, not teachings. For your allegation to be valid, you would have to show where murder is taught in the Quran.
Well, there seems to be quite an uprising all over the ME over some movie insulting Islam and the prophet. Many people are being killed over it. Where does this kind of behavior come from?
Living in countries which we invade, and under oppressive regimes which we support. It would seem that a relatively small number of people were involved. But you have yet to show where the Quran ''teaches murder.'' Are you unable to do so?
Male sexual slaves are prevelant in islam. I have seen it with my own two eyes.. Here is more on your profit canine. Islamic countries are infamous for their legal tolerance of child abuse. Child brides can be seen in Afghanistan, Pakistan and most of the Middle East and North Africa. In Iran, the legal age for a girl to be eligible for marriage is 6 yes, six. Young girls are often sold for dowry by parents to get some capital to start a business or to buy cattle. Islamic apologists argue that it is simply a cultural thing and has nothing to do with Islam. I disagree and heres why: 1. Prophet Muhammed married a child. Muhammed, the pedophile married the daughter of his friend Abu Bakar, the little Aisha. This fact can be verified with various verses of the Quran and many accounts in the Sahih (Authentic) Hadiths. Heres one that explains everything: Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234 Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, Best wishes and Allahs Blessing and a good luck. Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allahs Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Various other accounts in the authentic hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim shows that Muhammed married Aisha when she was 6 and had sex (or rather raped her) when she was 9. It is proven that Aisha used to play with dolls and according to Islam, only prepubescent girls are allowed to play with dolls. It proves that Muhammed was a pedophile. Some Muslims argue that it was custom back in those days, tus Muhammed is not guilty of pedophilia. But my question is: isnt the Final Prophet of God supposed to teach mankind the best and final code of conduct ordained by God? So that means pedophilia is blatantly permitted the creator of the universe, the all-mighty Allah. Also, Muhammed is proclaimed uswa hasana, al-Insan al-kamil (perfect human; an example to follow). So that means Muslims are supposed to follow the example of Muhammed and have sexual relationship with pre-pubescent children. 2. The Quran sanctions Pedophilia The Quran says in Arabic: Quran 65:4 ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? and those who never had menses (because they are underage) The Tafsir (explanation of the Quranic verses) explain it in a very eloquent manner: Tafsir from Maududi Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible. (Maududi, volume 5, p. 62
The Koran teaches just war theory.. Only defensive war. You can't kill non combattants like women, children and the elderly.. You can't slaughter livestock, poison water sources, destroy crops, orchards or homes. You have to lay dwn arms and go to the peace table at the first sign the enemy wants to do that. You probably should read up on it.
No, that theory is incorrect. Why were the Jewish athletes murdered in Munich at the Olympics in 1972?
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established. Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses. Qur'an (2:22 - "and the men are a degree above them [women]" Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands). Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse). Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365). Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers. Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male. Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses). From the Hadith: Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'" Bukhari (6:301) - continued - " [Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles. Bukhari (2:2 - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell). Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs. Bukhari (62:5 - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man. Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam. Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw." Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them. Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him. Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex. Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting. Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 -"Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
If women weren't so foolish they would break the necks of their sons as soon as they were born. That would kill off the religion and culture that oppresses them. Instead they keep the status quo going by continuing to give birth to their oppressors. Therefore they either like being oppressed or else they don't consider themselves to be oppressed.
Not only do Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza live under an oppressive regime that the US supports, namely Israel, but in 1972 most Palestinians were a population which had been displaced due to the creation of Israel. The Israeli athletes were kidnapped because Israel refused to release Palestinian prisoners. In any case, Black September, the group which carried out the kidnappings, named the operation ''Ikrit and Biram,'' after two Palestinian Christian villages, from which the occupants were expelled in 1948 by Israel. Fuad al-Shamali, one of the leaders of Black September, and the one who organised the operation, was a Christian. So I don't see what this has to do with Islam. Perhaps you should ask the question in a thread about Christianity. It would have as much relevance there as it does here. So to get back to the topic, which verses in the Quran are you claiming ''teach murder''?
Such as.... Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. Not quite. Lets try.... And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. Hmm... Again it speaks of self-defence. Let us keep looking... On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. No, that definitely doesn't help. Maybe this one... Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. No? Sigh... This is hard. Lets try one more time... O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. Nope. Um... This... We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong- doers. Here, you try: http://quran.com
Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.
