ISRAEL PREPARES FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH AS IDF PRACTICES LEBANON INVASION

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since there is no desire to improve the lives of Palestinians, please continue to demonstrate the definition of insanity.
     
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    When those lines were in place in 1967 the neighboring Arab countries invaded. If they did it in 1967 why would they not do the same again?

    The fact is that they invaded and lost, and therefore must pay a price for invading a sovereign nation. You don't get a do-over when you start a war and then lose. Arabs must learn to be responsible adults.

    And of course the people of London, Paris, Berlin, Sydney, New York, Ottawa, etc. have all recently experienced what the people of Israel have undergone for many years.
     
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    This insanity has lasted 13 centuries so it will likely last a few more decades. It's just something the civilized world has to deal with, like diseases and bad weather.
     
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    Perhaps they didn't wish to launch any attacks. The IDF were a laughing stock at the time and were beaten by sheer determination and a much less well armed group
    October 13, 2006
    How Hezbollah Defeated Israel

    by Alastair Crooke - Mark Perry

    Israel’s decision to launch a ground war to accomplish what its air force had failed to do was made hesitantly and haphazardly. While Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) units had been making forays into southern Lebanon during the second week of the conflict, the Israeli military leadership remained undecided over when and where–even whether–to deploy their ground units.

    In part, the army’s indecisiveness over when, where and whether to deploy its major ground units was a function of the air force’s claims to victory. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) kept claiming that it would succeed from the air–in just one more day, and then another. This indecision was mirrored by the Western media’s uncertainty about when a ground campaign would take place–or whether in fact it had already occurred.

    Senior Israeli officers continued to tell their press contacts that the timing of a ground offensive was a tightly kept secret when, in fact, they didn’t know themselves. (Continued)
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-2/



    My daddy is bigger than your daddy lol


    That was in 2009. Do you not remember ni 2015 elections Netanyahu had to apologise for his ignorant statement that "the Arabs are voting in droves"

    Netanyahu apologises for warning about Arabs voting in election
    Israel’s prime minister says it was ‘not his intention’ to cause offence and highlights the large investments he has made in the Arab sector

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ologises-arabs-israel-warning-voting-election
     
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    Yes, my old coach always told us practice makes perfect, if not you can get pretty damn close. One less nest of cockroaches the better.
     
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    Israel is long overdue to get rid of those pests
     
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    Of course there is a huge desire to give the Palestinians better lives in the Occupied territories. The obstacle is Israel.
    Starting at primary school, Israel is continuously demolishing schools, playgrounds, libraries etc that are donated by foreign countries and aid .
    A lot of countries can't even get permission to rebuild so the children learn what they can at home. At times even book are not allowed in to the West Bank and Gaza.
    The same happens all the way through their educational years. Those who want to go abroad to learn are of often not allowed back home to their families, ever.

    In some of the poorer villages Israel provides very little normal services. Electricity is infrequent and water is often diverted to the illegal settlements. Then Israel sells them water from tankers at treble the price that Israelis would pay. Recently Israel seized solar panels donated by the Netherlands to the village of Jubbet al-Dhib

     
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    Oh dear. How easy it is to swallow the hasbara and pontificate form an armchair thousands of miles away.
    It's very easy to comment on something one knows nothing about . Just remember there are nearly 4 million lives under total control of Israel who treats them appallingly.
    It's a shame that the US didn't give the European Jews a homeland. You have enough land and instead they were stuck into the middle of a region where they had nothing in common with any of their neighbours and a plan to seize as much land from these other countries, which they are still doing today. It was a disaster from the very start and is the cause of all the unrest in both Europe and the Middle East
     
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    Wash, rinse, repeat!
     
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    lol. Typical steroidal trash talk. Stay at home sonny and stop interfering in parts of the world where you're not wanted or welcome. That includes Europe.
    Remember Abu Ghraib, the other scandals and the millions of civilians that the glorious us military slaughtered based on nothing more than lies and fake "evidence".
    That showed that the US military were no better than the terrorists we now have to contend with in Europe or the ISIS head hackers that the US and Israel along with their pals in Saudi Arabia were financing. Israel was providing air cover for those savages while Syria and Russia were trying to get rid of them.
    We always trust the US, Israel and the UK to make a mess where ever they go.
     
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    Don't like the truth eh :p

    Here is some more and make sure to read the comments underneath the article

     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The truth is that no one seems to care or want to discuss improving their lives. No, I don't like it. I will get out of the way to make room for more anti-Israel posts. Enjoy!
     
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    Ah no answer then or incapable of refuting the truth . Good. At least you gave in gracefully :)

    The posts are not anti-Israel , they are pro-Palestinian , pro-Justice and anti- Belligerent Occupation
    Get rid of the medieval occupation , the longest and only one in the world conducted by a "democracy" and their lives would be improved 100%
     
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    A bit arrogant to claim victory on this very complex issue that the rest of the world is still having trouble with, but if you feel you have it nailed in one post, enjoy your celebration.

    I didn't see any pro-Palestinian posts. I see lots or reasons to keep them angry and throwing rocks, but nothing about how their high level of foreign aid can turn into independence. My opinion is that no progress can be made as long as they are a threat. Time will tell who is right. Lets meet back here in 10 years and see how your strategy worked. You must be happy with your "progress" so far.
     
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    I'm afraid you're confusing (or distorting) global opposition to what Israel's government DOES rather than what Israel IS.
    Seizing other peoples' land can be added to the list just submitted by "Little Sparrow": "....pro-Palestinian , pro-Justice and anti- Belligerent Occupation"

    For example, this proposed invasion of Lebanon by Israel, historically, has at least as much to do with seizing the Litani River basin than fighting "terrorism"

    Just because FOREIGN Zionists & militant Jewish Colonists consider someone else's natural resource "essential" to their foreign populated colony doesn't give them the right to seize it under phony pretexts.

    "ICE Case Studies"

    http://mandalaprojects.com/ice/ice-cases/litani.htm
    EXCERPT "Although there is not an armed struggle over it (The Litani River basin) now, it has been involved in armed struggles in the past (in the 1967 war, and in 1982) and it is conceivable that in the future the struggles over it may become armed.

    Chaim Weizmann, head of the World Zionist Organization, wrote (around 1919-1920) to Prime Minister David Lloyd George that Lebanon was "well-watered" and that the Litani was "valueless to the territory north of the proposed frontiers. They can be used beneficially in the country much further south." He concluded the Litani was "essential to the future of the Jewish national home.'"CONTINUED
     
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    Most of my posts are pro-Palestinian . I try to bring the truth of their situation to people who have been spoon fed propaganda and lies for decades. There is nothing to celebrate until the Occupation is lifted and Israel goes back to behind the 1967 lines and takes her settlers with her.

    Palestinian people are just ordinary people like the rest of us. Yes there are a small minority who are "terrorists", driven by despair for the most part by the constant attacks and restrictions of Israel. I have Christian Palestinian friends whose families are descended from the original Christians, the Living Stones as they are called. They have had lands and businesses taken from them by Israel to build illegal settlements and colonies on. They didn't receive any compensation either.Israel's faux love for Christian visitors and tourists is a complete sham

    Israel has been allowed get away with murder and theft by the West that it is difficult to see see anything changing. The US is not an honest broker in the peace process and the new US ambassador is going to be a disaster.
     
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    Fair enough. Maybe one day they will be foolish enough to try giving land for peace again. Until then,...
     
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    Whereas you're getting your facts by living in Israel?
    In fact those living in Israel are doing very well.
    Why? Their ties are to the Middle East as both the Bible and the Koran will tell you.

    Muslims are entering Europe, the US, Canada and Australia and have nothing in common with their neighbors or the history of the democracies yet they're still being (largely) accepted. The Jewish history in the Middle East extends well before anything Islamic.

    Perhaps you can also explain how Israel is seizing land from other countries.
     
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    Land for peace was window dressing, They moved settlers from Gaza and rehomed them on Palestinian land in the West Bank
     
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    Our news sources are not as censored by Zionist power and money as yours, hence we get two sides of the story.

    I never read the Koran but I think it's very disrespectful to uses the Bible and God as a real estate agent. Jews had a covenants with God which they broke and were thrown out of the land. 2000 years ago they only ruled a small piece of land in the region and in total for less than 600 years. Would US citizens be happy if the English or Native Americans came back and demanded they get back the land their ancestorsy had lived on . Do you think the present occupants would move out and give it back to than.
    The vast majority of Jews had never set foot in Israel and those who lived there were a tiny minority. Many that moved to Israel were also converts. The land was given to them by people who had no right to give it away.

    Israel wasn't even the first choice for a Jewish state. The Zionist Frederation looked in to Uganda/Kenya , Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia, Alaska, Madagascar and Khazaria, amongst other places

    You do know that Islam was founded in the 7th century AD and most of the first Muslims were Jews that converted. DNA testing has shown that Muslims are closely related to Jews.

    There would be no influx of refugees into the West if the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia hadn't tried regime change in the region with disastrous results.as usual. Why would we turn people away ? People who have been driven from their homes and have nothing left ? Some day they will be able to go back to Syria etc if Israel and the West stop interfering and trying to implement Israel's Yinon Plan

     
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    Would you kindly - pretty please with pink ribbons and little sparkling gold stars - show me Khazaria on a world map? The map of our world, please (still pretty, still pink ribbons, still shiny golden stars).

    In another world there might be, of course, a Khazaria coveted by local otherworldly Jews that stubbornly refused to form a World Zionist Congress in favor of a single Zionist Federation. In that world it might even be not only possible, but desirable to have a bird of a strange feather teach Jewish history to Jews. In another world, maybe. Not in this one.
     
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    Like Prussia it no longer exists
     
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    During the 10 - 11 months I spent hitch hiking / walking through the Islamic Mid East I had the opportunity to hear similar tragic stories from displaced native residents of Palestine in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc..
    One of the questions I was most frequently asked by these & other Arabs was: "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?".
    I tried to explain the toxic influence of America's pro Israel media (1) and stranglehold of AIPAC etc on US Government foreign policy but the Arabs still couldn't understand how Americans whom they admired could be so easily manipulated & duped by a malevolent, parasitic & treacherous foreign power.

    Getting back to Palestine's native residents, no one "bought" their land and their family members who were gunned down were not "terrorists" but individuals like countless Freedom Fighters throughout history who are compelled to fight ruthless foreign invader- occupiers against superior odds.
    The only crime of which Palestinian resistance fighters are guilty is the "crime" of trying to keep the homes, farms & fishing grounds they've owned generations before the first foreign Zionist set foot in distant Palestine

    Still, professionally duped & homebound American apologists for Israel's government policies have been deceived into believing that they have some sort of "bond" with Israel when in fact Israelis view American supporters as the suckers they really are:

    "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.

    The naivete Israelis perceive in Americans is not just something they believe only Israel’s adversaries exploit; Israelis believe they can do so, too — and do. In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. CONTINUED



    (1)“Journalists blast NY Times for pro-Israel bias and “grotesque” distortion of illegal occupation of Palestine”

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/26/journalists_blast_ny_times_for_grotesque_pro_israel_bias_and_distortion_of_illegal_occupation_of_palestine/

    EXCERPT “The Times regularly fails to mention that the Palestinian territories have been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967. It often uses euphemistic language to describe Israel’s illegal activity, dubbing lands unlawfully seized by Israel in violation of international law “disputed” territory.

    Rights activists have been so frustrated by the publication’s skewed reporting that, in February, activists from progressive Jewish human rights groups created a very convincing-looking fake edition of the Times to protest its coverage of Israel-Palestine.”CONTINUED
     
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    "The year 2013 was Israel’s record year for incoming tourism with 3.54 million visitor entries. Christians represented more than half (53%) of all incoming tourists. During the first three months of 2014, this trend has continued.

    In 2013, Christians represented more than half (53%) of all incoming tourists (those staying more than one night), 96% of day visitors and 78% of cruise visitors. In total, over two million Christians visited Israel in 2013, about 60% of the 3.54 million total visitors"

    http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2014/Pages/Christian-tourism-to-Israel-2013.aspx

    Them poor Christian visitors and tourists... know not what they're doing... they'd be better of touring Gaza's tunnels :mrgreen:
     
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    You mean, on Israeli land that was given to them by United Nation, stolen from them by Jordanian Palestinians in the war of aggression against Israel, and was then liberated by Israel? That land is called Judea and Samaria; West Bank is just a geographical location used by Israel haters, who can't bring themselves up to say out loud Judea and Samaria :juggle:
     
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