Israel Steps up Demolitions of Palestinian Homes

You summed it up perfectly how do you punish a dead man? You can't "period"

So in order to get revenge, in order to punish someone, you punish his family.

The Israeli government no longer cares about justice or about deterrents, it demands revenge!

AN EYE FOR AN EYE 3000 year old "justice" returns to its national homeland!

 

The Arabs in Sudan act the same way as Israelis. The Sudanese civil war has been going on longer with more deaths and displacement yet no anti Israeli poster here has ever once commented about or on this issue. Guessing it must be a fad to hate on Israel. You'll grow out of it, we all do eventually.

 

attacking Israeli Jews and Jews elsewhere is very popular.

 

What are you talking about with regard to Sudan???

 

I really think some in Israel have gone mad

How To Kill Goyim And Influence People: Leading Israeli Rabbis Defend Manual for For Killing Non-Jews
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/ho...abbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/

 

I was just coming on to give you a link to this excellent new article by Max Blumenthal! See what you think of it. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/others-interview-blumenthal and yes, I think you are right. There is some madness there at the moment.

 

It's just Hamas and rabbi going tit for tat. Peas in a pod

 

I keep on noting a never-ending reference to "international law" regarding the destruction of the houses of the relatives of the suicide attackers by Israeli authorities ...

I keep on noting a never-ending absence of reference to the main source of "international law": UN.

So, I will be pedant:

The United Nation recognized Israel, the State of Israel is member of UN and it's a sovereign country ...

To launch just a little rocket against the territory of a sovereign state, or to organize a suicide attack against its citizens can be, without a great effort, considered an act of war. So the reaction concentrated on causing the economical damage generated by the destruction of some houses is even moderate ...

 

They are mad for a very long while, its not throu recent events, these are the same fanatics that destroyed Judea in ancient times - to connect it to another thread about the Diaspora , the funney thing is they are usualy very nice ppl when you talk to them, of all messianic ppl they are the craziest, if it wasnt for Shabak they would be just like Hamas.

 

It may not stop the orgenized terrorists which also take care for housing the dislocated family, but will stop some of the "casual" suiciders, besides, in most cases the parents have some responsibility over their children education, easliy proven when they cellebrate his death and when his younger brothers say they want to kill Zionists just as he did, proud mother and so on, now they can dance in the rain till they get a new house from PLO/Hamas and till the younger vrothers grow up and they will probebly have to relocate again.

The suicide terrorist and his supporters see his death as "mission accomplished" so his death is by no mean justice by itself - not for the victims and not for the offenders point of view.

 

Collective Punishment Is not self-defence. Its quite obvious that Israel has adopted a Nazi-like obsession with collective punishment.

see " individuals, considered to have acted against the state, being punished for the crime of their relative"

source : " Introduction: Sippenhaft Family Punishment in Nazi Germany

http://www.academia.edu/1181198/Family_Punishment_in_Nazi_Germany_Sippenhaft_Terror_and_Myth

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Did you know that prior to becoming suicide ( "kamikazi bombers/martyrs etc " most had. in childhood, witnessed Israeli bulldozers destroying their parents' or close relatives' homes?

Don’t you think if your parent's home was bulldozed that you wouldn't develop a deep hatred for those who sent the bulldozer?

I would and I bet that you would too.
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Its not collective - Its his house,

note that the walls were kept so the house above will remain...
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....Yea - you're welcome

And regarding his siblings, they will see him as a hero "Shahid" even if they lived in a palace. question is will they cause their family to relocate once again ? this time to Gaza.

 

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Collective punishment definition ;;

Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, etc....are punished.
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Why are you lying ?



see Haaretz

Immoral, ineffective: Destroying terrorists' homes is nothing but empty revenge

The IDF has largely accepted the view that such collective punishment is inefficient - so why is Israel re-instituting house demolitions? Well, for one: nothing else seems to work.

On Wednesday night, Israel’s security forces demolished the East Jerusalem home of Abdel Rahman al-Shaludi, the Palestinian who committed last month’s car attack in Jerusalem that claimed the lives of an Israeli woman and a three-month old baby (and ended his own).

As reported in Haaretz, al-Shaludi’s family members received a notice last week informing them of the IDF’s intention to destroy the house. Last night, security forces cleared the entire building before gutting the fourth floor with explosives. Pictures that were taken afterwards show family members wandering around the ruins of their former home.

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With that, Israel brought back the policy of house demolitions, largely-suspended due to doubts over its efficacy. Controversial, morally-questionable and doubtfully-helpful, house demolitions are nonetheless a staple in Israel of violent conflicts with the Palestinians. Is it legal? Can it be morally justified? And, perhaps most importantly, does it work? -

No .


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.627383

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Im expressing my opinion - not lying, IMO its not collective any more than killing a man is collective for his Parents grief (assuming he is not "Shahid"), wife, kids etc'.

No thx, I have 2 daughters at home and just enough whining I can take.

That's your opinion, I think it does work and in fact should be expended, not just to those that managed to kill but those that attempted and failed as well, I think its legal, moral, justified and will make a diffrence in time.
BTW the terrorist wife just got her socilals canceled from Israel and about to be deported back to the (*)(*)(*)(*) hole she came from - Rrraza. another awsome deterrent.

 

Yes , its just your opinion . the opinion of an A - H . .

as the saying goes " Opinions are like A _ holes - every bodys got one.

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Let's just be clear. House Demolitions are illegal by international law and they are indeed collective punishment as I have yet to hear of a Palestinian living on their own.

I mentioned earlier that 2 of the killers had previously spent an inordinate time in solitary confinement, to my recollection a time that greatly exceeds even Israel's draconian laws to the Palestinians. One of those was the suspected attempted killer of Glick. He apparently spent ten years in solitary confinement. He was shot dead for being the suspect of an attempted murder. His siblings and parents are now to be made homeless. This article gives some background to the 'terrorist shot dead' (and family ruthlessly punished) stories we hear so anonymously and coldly about.

Take time to read or you really do not know what you are talking about on this issue and sometimes the no of people collectively punished and made homeless is far higher than in this instance.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ce-of-revenge.html?via=desktop&source=Twitter

I know Giles has already said that the wife of one of the killers and her I think it is three children is to lose her residency. This certainly is what is on the cards. Bennet I think said last week that he wants family members to lose their residency/citizenship and no benefits

Here are some more things they have the idea to implement as they go about stealing the rest of the Palestinians land.

http://972mag.com/bill-aims-to-strip-citizenship-curb-speech-a-bellwether-of-israels-right/99249/

 

Well I got a voting right here so my opinions are more importnat than yours when it comes to making a diffrence. ta ta.

 

The Drug lord risks his family when the authoreties arrest him and take all family essets, the suicide terrorist that also gets paid risks those that live with him when his house gets demolished, the appeal process is made for those that really had nothing to do with their son act such as he left home years ago and they condemn his act, NOT if they accept the PLO/Hamas money, honor and praise his act etc', then they can cellebrate in Gaza for all we care.

Its a nice idea but demolished houses in middle of a crowded Palestinian town will not host Israelis, but im totally in favour of banishing anyone that throws a flaming bottle which is a lethel weapon.

 

Destroying the homes of the families of people who have or who are suspected of committing a crime is against International Law and not the activity of any country who believes in justice. Possibly it fits into the old testament thing of making the children pay for the sins of the father and extending that to all the family, Collective punishment is only carried out among fascist regimes which do not believe in human rights.

2 days ago the UN said

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=49437#.VHcMpcmB3CQ

The bottom line gets to the centre of the problem. Israel does not deem those who are not Jews as being equal human beings to Jews and hence not worthy of human rights. That is the basis of the whole problem.

 

If we lived according to the OT there wouldnt be any Palestinians to talk about, destroying the house of a singel terrorist, and lets say 10 a year - is hardly the genocide or ethnic clease you are aiming for.

The UN is great in telling ppl how flawed their socities are but i have yet seen how their reccomondations and laws stopped a genocide in Africa or occupation such of Kuwait or in any other case of war, how the UN addresses house demolitions is secondary to the effect its supposed to cause.

 

Stop lying about what I said or want or I will report you. You are very near my ignore list.

You are ignoring what is reality. Your collective punishment of Palestinians is against International Law. You do not carry out the same punishments on Jews which makes it also a racist action.

 

Didnt you say these laws were aimed to "steal more land" ? that's what I understood anyway.

No, I think we are the only one dealing with reality and its the ppl that live in other continents that are disconnected from the reality that we live in here, destroying houses deals with a phenomenon, continous, supported and promoted by the establishment - if we had 3 terorrr attacks a year Im sure we would deal with it diffrently, meaning the Jews that Murder Arabs once in 5 years are thrown to jail and its enogh to keep it under very low fire, I remeber thou that Itzhar settelment fanatics that attacked IDF soldiers several times were thretend by the Def minister that the settelment would close and resident evacuated if they persist. and behold - they stopped.

 

In the West Bank there are laws, and Israel nust to obey them!
Now some of the laws were took from the British Mandate, and there is a regulation 119 of the Defense Emergency Regulations of 1945
that stated:

According to this regulation, those kind of demolitions took place in the Mandate! and Isreal's obeying that regulation.

Source: http://web.stanford.edu/group/scai/images/housedemolitions.pdf

 

No I did not. Must have been a guilty conscience. In reality though it is part of a general demolition of Palestinians Homes to steal East Jerusalem now that you mention it.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47461#.VHcUhcmB3CQ

You wonder why there is unrest in East Jerusalem? - that and the burning alive of the Palestinian Youth which did not result in any home demolitions of the Jewish murderers, plus your war on Gaza killing around 1800 civilians all the while with Jews on hill cheering, singing songs about killing all the Palestinian children while attacking Palestinian citizens and residents, making them lose their jobs, running around shouting 'kill all arabs' attacking them and those Israeli's (born of whores) wanting the war to end - and seriously you are complaining about there being unrest among the Palestinians. Not like that if anyone says a word against a Jew is it. Then the whole world knows and it is immediate reason to kill 500 Palestinian children.

Israel has gone far to far already and you now are on the step of going even further. Your own people are telling you to stop this and to start being people capable of acting in a just and humane way. I suspect it is too late but either you start looking at what is going on or you indeed are about to go as your former Mossad Chief said

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.628038?v=FDB3D6C610510366B7D9076B0F88D6AA

I say that to you only because I believe you are better than you are acting now but if Israeli citizens do not wake up, be honest about what is going on and what has been going on, that is where you are going to end up. Max Blumenthal already calls you JISL. You have a choice Gilos. If you just keep condoning what is going on in Israel, you are part of it. Your choice is to look into things, to see what is really going on rather than keep in an us and them which is itself a racist position. Jews did not like being treated as you are treating the Palestinians which is part of the reason there is becoming more and more support from Jews and among BDS for justice for the Palestinians.

You should also check this out re the suspected attempted murderer of Glick

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ce-of-revenge.html?via=desktop&source=Twitter

 

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I wanted to fix my country in the 90's when I voted and promoted Rabin's way, today im too tired, i deal with tactics not strategy, Im sorry you think it makes me a monster but I do think house demolitions will serve its purpose, ofc it wont solve the conflict but at this point nothing will, I think only some catastrophic or epic event will change reality for us living here, perhaps the collapse of Jordan by IS or that sort - forcing us fighting together, or maybe i just saw too many movies...