Israel's greatest war crime - Lebanon 1982 - Zionists deny guilt

To quote from the reference that HBendor provided – once again without any proper commentary on his part:

So the ceasefire was first broken in an incident involving an IDF soldier IN LEBANON!! Not only that, but there were attacks on Lebanese targets and thousands of other properly recorded violations by Israel. Only after the Damour attack by Israel did the PLO fire at northern Israel but even then deliberately missing settlements. On balance I believe it is patently clear that the PLO was showing remarkable restraint while Israel was the main aggressor.

Yet HBendor’s reference provides the following as the immediate causes of the Lebanon invasion on 6th June 1982:

Something clearly doesn't add up. So let us now examine this Herzog claim --- the ‘casus belli’. Firstly HBendor’s own reference provides the following:

So there we have the ex-President of Israel, Herzog, claiming that the PLO broke the ceasefire and the US Ambassador to the UN stating the contrary. Who is correct? Who is lying? Let us search further to find out.

In his article “Israel’s Lebanon War” Mack writes the following (click the blue for source):

What evidence does Mack provide which flies in the face of the official Israeli Government accusation of 290 ‘attempted attacks and firings’ and Defence Minister Ariel Sharon’s claim in the NYT that there had been 127 terrorist attacks [LOL – see where this is going?]? He writes further:

OUCHIES!!! Or perhaps Minister Hurd was mistaken. He is unlikely to have been able to make statements based on first-hand observations. Who could? How about the UNIFIL observation forces who were based along the border? Their report for the first 6 months of the ceasefire period can be found here. Items 54 to 64 provide their observations for this period. Of all of the bellicose activities reported, the vast majority were carried out by the “de facto forces which are supported and supplied by Israel” (i.e. mainly the Christian militia forces). It furthermore reports that Israeli forces were within the UNIFIL area of operation, i.e. inside Lebanon. In addition a host of violations by the IDF of Lebanese air and sea space is reported. Not one violation of the ceasefire via attacks by the PLO is reported.
The last 6 months of the ceasefire prior to the IDF invasion of Lebanon is provided here (click). Once again no violations of the ceasefire by the PLO were reported prior to the first Israeli aggressions. The UN report states that even after the IDF attacks the PLO leadership ordered a cessation of PLO attacks for an undefined period, and agreed to both UNSC resolutions.

Does that mean that the Israelis were lying? Regarding cross border attacks from Lebanon by the PLO once the ceasefire was in operation, a positive response would certainly be indicated by the available information.

So it seems that Herzog was lying about the 290 attacks by the PLO which broke the ceasefire ... or was he? ….

…. (to be continued) ….

 

I don't know how to explain this to you better, but can you conceive of a town or city being attacked more than once in its entire existence? Can you see where this is going, HB?

We were discussing 1982. Damour, yes, but in 1982. I suggest that it is YOU who needs to check Damour.

Here, let me help you with a reference to the "1982 Israeli air strike of Damour" which broke the ceasefire: http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/A36389S14601.pdf

To answer your question, the IAF was in the skies over Damour doing the bombing, killing people, and thereby breaking the ceasefire.

That was done all because an IDF officer -- who was across the border in Lebanon!! -- stepped on a landmine there.

So tell me, HB, whose knowledge exactly is it that is "spurious to say the least"?

 

As always klip, you are very knowledgable, but continue to think that everything that happens between israel and its neighbours happens in a vacume.
Israel attacked lebanon because it wanted a regime change, and the PLO out.
Was it smart?
I dont know.
Was it justified?
Yes and no.
There is no easy answer here - although, as usual, you think there is, and the blame goes to... Israel.
What a surprise.

 

If you do not know the background of the Lebanese war... go first and study it. You make it as if Israel was the aggressor, which is not true!

Here goes...

Background
The Phalangist militia based in Damour and Dayr al Nama had been blocking the coastal road. The Damour massacre was a response to the Karantina massacre of January 18, 1976, in which Phalangists killed from 300 up to 1,500 people.

It occurred as part of a series of events during the Lebanese Civil War, in which Palestinians joined the Muslim forces, in the context of the Christian-Muslim divide, and soon Beirut was divided along the Green Line, with Christian enclaves to the east and Muslims to the west.

Events
The attackers destroyed the buildings in the seaside village. The Christian cemetery was destroyed, coffins dug up, vaults opened, and bodies and skeletons thrown across the graveyard.[citation needed] The church was burnt and an outside wall was covered with a mural of Fatah guerrillas holding AK47 rifles.[citation needed] A portrait of Yasser Arafat was placed at one end.[citation needed] Other sources claim that the church was used as a repair garage for PLO vehicles, and also as a range for shooting-practice with targets painted on the eastern wall of the nave.[citation needed]

Twenty Phalangist militiamen were executed, and then civilians were lined up against a wall and sprayed with machine-gun fire. None of the remaining inhabitants survived. An estimated 584 civilians died. Among the killed were family members of Elie Hobeika and his fiancé. Following the Battle of Tel al-Zaatar later the same year, the PLO resettled Palestinian refugees in Damour. After the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, the Zaatar refugees were expelled from Damour, and the original inhabitants brought back.

According to Thomas L. Friedman, the Phalangist Damouri Brigade, which carried out the Sabra and Shatila massacre during the 1982 Lebanon War sought revenge not only for the assassination of Bashir Gemayel, but also for what he describes as past tribal killings of their own people by Palestinians, including those at Damour.

According to an eyewitness, the attack took place from the mountain behind the town. "It was an apocalypse," said Father Mansour Labaky, a Christian Maronite priest who survived the massacre. "They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting 'Allahu Akbar! (God is great!) Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad!', and they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children."

Perpetrators
The attack and subsequent massacre was carried out by a mixed crew of Palestinian militiamen aligned with the Lebanese National Movement (LNM).[citation needed]

According to journalist and author Robert Fisk, the attack was led by Colonel Abu Musa, a senior commander of the PLO and Fatah, and later leader of the anti-Arafat Fatah Uprising faction. Cedarland.org names Zuheir Mohsen, leader of as-Sa'iqa, a Damascus-based Palestinian faction operating directly on Syrian orders, and claims that he was known in Lebanon as the "Butcher from Damour".

Israeli troops move into Damour, Lebanon, in June 1982, near the start of the invasion. The Israelis tried to destroy the entrenched Palestine liberation organization and place Lebanon under the control of Maronites, but the operation had severe long-term consequences.

On 4 June 1982, in reprisal for the attack against Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador in London, Israeli aviation bombarded a number of Palestinian military bases in Lebanon. The assassination attempt, however, has been widely considered a pretext for invasion, as the attacker belonged to the Abu Nidal group, which opposed the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), and PLO members were reportedly on the hit list as well. Israel wished to destroy the infrastructure and leadership of the PLO and to install in Lebanon a government led by the Phalange Party (predominantly Maronite Christian), which had allied itself with Israel. On 6 June the general staff of the Israel Defense Force (IDF), headed by General Raphael Eitan and overseen by Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, received the green light from Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin to unleash the “Peace in Galilee” Operation. The invasion of Lebanon, the fifth major Israeli-Arab war, aimed at the definitive neutralization of the Palestinian military bases that had been established there. During this period, Lebanon was in the throes of a civil war, in which Palestinians and Syrians played an active role, while Israel was backing the Phalange.


After brushing aside the “blue helmets” (the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL), the IDF neutralized a part of the Syrian air force that had intervened. On 11 June a Syrian-Israeli cease-fire was signed. Two days later, Israeli forces linked up with the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia. The IDF began a siege of West Beirut, where the Palestinians, supported by the forces of the Lebanese National Movement, were dug in. The pro-Iranian Guardians of the Revolution took up positions in the Baquaa Valley to battle with the Israeli troops. On 3 July nearly 100,000 Israelis demonstrated in Jerusalem for peace. On 11 July the Soviet Union proposed a peace plan for Lebanon. On 25 July, in a document passed to U.S. congressman Paul McCloskey, Yasir Arafat, the head of the PLO, affirmed that he was ready to accept all UN resolutions concerning the Palestine question. On 7 August, U.S. mediator Philip Habib announced the conclusion of an accord allowing the militiamen of the PLO to leave Beirut under the protection of an international contingent.

On 23 August, Bashir Jumayyil, the leader of the Phalange and head of Christian forces, was elected president of Lebanon. Six days later, in the framework of the evacuation of the Palestinians from Beirut, Israel lifted its siege of the Lebanese capital. On 30 August, under the protection of a French-Italian force, Yasir Arafat and his partisans left Beirut for Tunis. By 1 September about 14,420 PLO fighters and officials had left West Beirut, and about 3,000 Syrian troops were withdrawn. The same day, U.S. president Ronald Reagan proposed a peace plan. On 9 September, in the course of an Arab League summit in Fes, the Arab states proposed a plan to settle the Israeli-Arab conflict (the Fes Plan).

On 14 September, President Jumayyil was assassinated. The IDF entered Beirut once again, in violation of the truce agreement, claiming it was needed to prevent disorder. From 16 to 18 September, the IDF, under Sharon and Eitan, approved the entry of Phalange forces into the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. While Israeli soldiers looked on, the Lebanese Christian militia massacred Palestinian refugees; estimates put the numbers between 800 and 1,500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, mostly women, children, and older men. At Tel Aviv, 400,000 people demonstrated against this carnage and against the Israeli presence in Lebanon. The United States decided to cut off assistance for the construction of the Israeli bomber, Lavi. On 29 September the IDF withdrew from West Beirut, falling back to the south of Lebanon, being replaced in the Lebanese capital by an international military force. On 8 February 1983 the Israeli Kahan Commission, charged with inquiring into the Sabra and Shatila massacres, found that Israeli officials were indirectly responsible for the atrocities. An international commission chaired by Sean MacBride charged that Israel was directly responsible because the camps were under its jurisdiction as an occupying power and because the IDF had facilitated an ally’s activities in the camps. Despite the findings of both commissions, no one was prosecuted. Defense Minister Sharon resigned, to be replaced by Moshe Arens, but remained in the cabinet.

To be continued

 

continued from previous.

On 17 May, the Israelis and Lebanese signed a peace treaty, rejected by Syria. On 23 October in Beirut, two attacks against the buildings where French and U.S. military were housed caused, respectively, 58 and 241 deaths. On 2 November, Yasir Arafat and his last followers fell back on Tripoli, in the north of Lebanon. On 20 December, the head of the PLO and his partisans left Lebanon definitively, to go to Tunisia. On 7 March 1984, under Syrian pressure, the Israeli- Lebanese accord of 17 May of the preceding year was abrogated by Lebanese president Amin Jumayyil. On 4 April, at the behest of Israel, Antoine Lahad, a Maronite and former general of the Lebanese army, took command of the South Lebanon Army (SLA), charged with security in the south of Lebanon.


On 13 September, Labor Party leader Shimon Peres became prime minister of Israel, and Yitzhak Rabin was named defense minister. On 15 January 1985 the Israeli National Unity government announced a plan for a staged withdrawal of IDF troops from South Lebanon, with the exception of a six-mile strip along the Lebanese-Israeli frontier. Called a “security zone,” this Lebanese territory was placed under the military command of the SLA of General Lahad, charged with countering the anti- Israeli actions of the Lebanese Hizbullah; nearly 1,200 Israeli soldiers were assigned to accompany the SLA. Sixteen years later, on 1 April 1998, the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu published a communiqué proposing a negotiated military withdrawal from Lebanon, based on UN Security Council Resolution 425. Finally, under the government of Ehud Barak, the Israeli army left Lebanon on 24 May 2000.

 

HB, after all that trouble that you went to --- and very informative it was --- I hate to break the news to you that the OP is still about Israel's gross war crime of 1982 and not the Phalangist crimes of 1976, nor what happened after Israel invaded in 1982. But thank you for your efforts anyway. You often have very good data ... pity you don't provide a reference to it..

Now, back to the fact that Israel's attack on Dafour IN July 1981 broke the American-brokered ceasefire, which utterly contradicts your claim above that Israel was not the aggressor, especially given that the UNIFIL observers on that border saw none of the Zionist apologist touted attacks on Israel.

I really want that on record because there are many Zionist apologists out there who would claim that Israel is just a small peace-loving country who would never dream of doing any harm to anyone unless provoked. So far we have seen that the PLO did zero provoking along the Lebanese border during the ceasefire leading up to the Israeli invasion of 1982, and that all the provoking was done by Israel.

In these provocations I see huge parallels in what happened between Israel and Syria between 1965 and 1967 which led to Nasser closing the Straits of Tiran to "innocent" passage.

 

Thank you, Uri. What you write is (as so often is the case) eminently sensible. That goal cost the lives of 22 000+ people. Poor peace-loving Israel.

Please explain that to HBendor, and that the reason was not because the PLO was in violation of the ceasefire along the Lebanese border -- as the usual Zionist Myth would have it.

I am going to be away for a few days. When I get back we can examine in more detail other options as to why Israel invaded, and why it could not have been because some dude was assassinated in London.

 

The Israeli guy is lying,I know that because they are always lying.

 

There were many more reasons - Although the cease fire has been kept, israel didnt Trust the PLO to continue keeping it,
and overall was not interested in having a big terrorist force operating from within lebanon, Israel was duped by the christian militia in lebanon to come to their aid as they said that the muslims are ethnicly cleansing them, etc.

Israel is not good, and israel is not bad.
Just like everyone else, israel tries to take care of its own interests, sometimes it leads to war, sometimes it leads to peace.
The only thing that doesn't drive israel, but drives many of the sorrounding states is hate.
Israel does not hate lebanon - Israel wants lebanon to be a soverign nation who wont have outside forces attacking israel and hiding.

 

It is either you deliberately overlook real situations that were occuring or perhaps you have been temporarily blinded by your Shister that you love so much...

there wasn't a day when the PLO did not try to break the truce by raping, stealing, taking over homes of Christians, deliberately digging out Christians tombs and scattering the bones... the PLO is a murderous group and you describe them walking with a halo.

The title of your thread is deliberately formed to inpugn/inculpate my country.
ISRAEL DOES NOT INITIATE, ISRAEL RETALIATES...
The dude was Ambassador Argov... You are so far leaning towards the Arabs that you might have lost your balance already... The next war will perhaps change the territorial infrastructure of many countries Hizballa and Hamas I suppose will be history... so fasten your seat belt...

 

The Myth Maker (fall guy)

The above is cherry picking especially when one does not know the Region... Damour is in Lebanon while Darfur is in the Sudan.

The vehement rage to inculpate Israel has blinded you through and through... now we know you do not know the history nor the geography of the region... The sole motivating factor is that you are writing for someone else who wishes to pile up negativity on Israel in a very dishonest fashion with the premeditating intention for the demise of the sole Democracy in the ME.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

 

Good, I am glad that you finally agree that the PLO did not break the ceasefire with Israel across the Lebanese border. I thank Uri for confirmation of that fact also.

So part one of the saga of justification for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the most important reason, has been flattened. Does anything remain. Is there any other reason why Israel should not be condemned into eternity for having broken the ceasefire and then slaughtered some 20 000+ people?

What about the much touted attempted assassination on 3 June 1982 by the PLO of Israel’s ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, which HBendor mentions above? Surely that was a good reason to invade the PLO in Lebanon.

Surely that would confirm the following?:

... (to be continue) ...

 

kilpkap your sources are 'A Mack" whoever that is.
Wiki has a page with 92 footnotes on the event - no Mack.
Who the hell is "A Mack"?
You might as well cite yourself or Arafat. (Arafat would be fairer actually)
and...
Unsipal quoting a letter from the Tunisian rep to the UN As If his statement Is fact and not the mere letter it is.

and of course the arabist colloquial use of 'zionist' as an epithet (instead of say 'Israeli'), a sure sign of Jew-hate land.

 

I am not going to fall for your stupid insinuation as if I agreed with your deliberate prevarication ...

Here are the 'Historical' background of 1982

The Israeli army invaded Lebanon for the second time in 1982, in order to stop the Palestinian attacks, starting the 1982 Lebanon War. After three months Israel occupied the capital city of Beirut. Over the next three years the Israeli army partially withdrew, until in 1985 it established what it called the "Security Buffer Zone" in Southern Lebanon.

That proves again that your article is full of bull's ears and gonads...

While Israel did succeed in ousting the PLO from Lebanon, but armed insurgency by radical Shia organizations emerged in the region. In 1993, Israel responded with a massive attack against the Lebanese Hizbullah (Operation Accountability) to disrupt its actions. The military campaign ended in a ceasefire banning targeting civilians on both sides. Hizbullah later broke the agreement, and continued attacking targets in both Lebanon and northern Israel, including Israeli armed forces, South Lebanon Army militia and civilian areas.

In 9 April 1996, a heavy barrage of rockets was shelled by Hizbullah upon Galilee towns, prompting Israel to respond again, and hence Operation Grapes of Wrath was launched two days later.

Your asinine reportage is biases/one side and ineffective as long as your reportage becomes the tool of a dishonest rapporteur.

 

So, Try_This, you choose to completely ignore my main evidence, namely the 6-monthly reports over the period of the ceasefire from the Commander of the UNIFIL observer forces along the Lebanese border.

Why do you ignore those impeccable first-hand accounts, especially when my reference sources are so utterly clear?

 

[Aside (can be skipped): This thread is about the justification for the horrific 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Now, HB, check 90% of the dates that you offer above. Irrelevant. Strawmen. Right? If you want to start a thread about about what happened 18 years later or about Hezbollah (it is not the PLO, HB), or about the 2006 invasion, please feel free, but not here. Let us instead remember that as a result of this 1982 invasion, some 20 000+ people were slaughtered with American support and that country's veto of a ceasefire (I am serious!! Look it up). Well done Ronnie!! Explain that one to the survivors of the 911 victims.]

But back to your words quoted above, HB, the phrase highlighted above is in fact your ONLY "justification" for Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon --- "to stop the PLO attacks".
But you have just been shown eyewitness reports by the UNIFIL commander from the Lebanese border that the PLO did not launch ANY attacks!! And you have not refuted his two 1981/1982 reports. So that stands utterly unsullied. The PLO did NOT attack targets in northern Israel from Lebanon during the 1981/1982 ceasefire. Proven. Referenced. Reasoned. Done!! So how can you return not 3 days later and claim exactly the opposite without ANY evidence. Please see the thread on Zionist apologists demanding special debating privileges.

When you saw the way this was going, you had to uncover a second reason for the Israeli invasion --- here, although you phrased the reason in a very ineffective way:

It seems that Israel accused the PLO of the attempted assassination of the UN Ambassador, Shlomo Argov. Let me add substance to your second reason for the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon with a quote from the Jewish Virtual Library (click the blue for source):

This was the justification given by Begin to the Knesset and to Alexander Haig for the massive attack on Lebanon on 4th/5th June 1982.
It seems an odd reason to be cited --- a botched attempt of an assassination as reason to slaughter 20 000* people --- hugely over-the-top" and an utterly unnecessary violent retaliation for the attempt, but at least it seems to be a far better reason than the non-existent cross-border PLO attacks.

... Or is it? ...

Here is a JewishLedger account of what happened to Argov (click the blue for source). Note the usual Zionist lies that the assassination occurred "after a wave of terror, with the PLO systematically firing Katyushas", notwithstanding the impeccable UNIFIL observers' evidence that no such PLO attacks tookplace. The murder attempt was conducted by (according to the JewishLibrary quote above) "the Abu Nidal group of the PLO". I do not refute this. But who/what is the Abu Nidal group?

Oh-oh. Houston, we have a problem - here is what the US Department of State has to say (click the blue for source):

One starts to get an even more uncomfortable feeling when one reads more about the assassination attempt from more reliable sources, such as here (click the blue):

Not only that, but the link to the PLO disappears completely with the following:

Begin and Sharon clearly lied. The assassination attempt had absolutely nothing to do with the PLO. It is utterly invalid as an excuse for the invasion and massacre of the PLO in Lebanon

MYTH UTTERLY TRASHED!!! But as per the OP, Zionists will continue to deny guilt and cite PLO attacks across the border. We now know what that claim is worth. So Israel was without a doubt the aggressor, 100% confirmed by the referenced evidence provided, and that the 1982 invasion and slaughter was totally unjustified by the touted two reasons.

 

You cannot even shine their shoes fella...
The PLO of another name (they make up names of groups as they go along) your retort is another bull following in the crowd of lunatic Spaniards...

You cannot go scot free fella you have no alternate reason to pursue from the Bull ring of inept Spaniards something that is totally alien to them.

 

LOL ... HBendor: "A PLO of another name". That is a "PLO" that was about to assassinate members of the real PLO. And you claim that they are the same. A "PLO" that split from Arafat in 1974 is still the same as Arafat's PLO. A "PLO" that is so so different from the real PLO but that still warrants the slaughter of 20 000+ people. And you defend Israel as being the peace seeker?



I had no intention of shining the shoes nor clipping the toenails of people guilty of war crimes. But you do. You have been shown Israel's agressive nature time and again --- 1948; 1954; 1956; 1966; 1967; 2009; and most recently and doubly emphatically in 1982, and yet you claim:

'Nuff said, Glock or no Glock.

 

Stop clowning around for the smell of bull is overwhelming... I worked in a farm when I was young and I know when the smell becomes offensive.
You are now swimming in it and you are deep enough to your ears... You come in here pretending to be all knowledgeable about my country when in reality you are none of that... You do not know the first thing about the PLO and like a child (you probably are) play around with stupid icons and Myths... one recognizes one I suppose...

Here is a report from CRS and another one readily available on in the internet

CRS Report for congress... Palestine factions...

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS21235.pdf

Palestine Liberation Organization and its numerous factions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization

The greatest war crime is translated here by your ineptitude to relate to Jewish History, to Israeli History, to the Reconstitution of the Patrimony of the Jews after 3 thousand years... many like you and they still are around surmise that a 'Picador' of your stripe playing in an arena with the Matador do not get gored from time to time... You sir have an absolute ZERO knowledge on Israel... It seems after all that you get your order from an Arab country (Saudi Arabia perhaps) and you write untruths for a fee... What else is the motivating factor then?

 

Here is what makes my country strong

http://tinyurl.com/cjp5tpq

 

OK folks, the name-calling cards are being resorted to.

Therefore time therefore to wrap up this thread.

In that case why have you failed to show justification?

1) Your claim of 290 PLO attacks across the Lebanese border during the 1981/1982 ceasefire as a justification was thoroughly trashed by the UNIFIL observer reports. Trashed, HBendor, by first hand observations by trained military personnel positioned there precisely to observe infringements, and there were none by the PLO.

What did you do to counter that? You served up some blatant strawmen referring to 1976 and phalangists.

2) You claimed "Israel does not initiate; Israel retaliates". Yet those very same UNIFIL reports prove that it was ISRAEL who broke the ceasefire on numerous occasions and it was in fact the PLO who retaliated (with orders to miss) and almost immediately ordered a new cessation. What did you do to counter that? You went on an utterly irrelevant rant about phalangist activity many years before 1981/1982.

3) You then served up your last attempt at a "casus belli" for the invasion of Lebanon. You claimed it was because the PLO made an attempted assassination on the Israeli ambassador, Shlomo Argov, in London. You were shown, again with verifiable source references, that the responsible Abu Nidal organisation had a) split from the PLO in 1974, b) also had as its mission the murder of PLO members!! In fact the Wiki reference that you yourself provided (click the blue) in a failed attempt to justify the Israeli slaughter of 20 000+ people, comments "Abu Nidal, a sworn enemy of the PLO since 1974" So what did you do in attempted rebuttal? You dumped two references to PLO factions, without any comment from you, which show absolutely nothing in rebuttal. Nothing!! Zip!! Nada!! Aiziko!! Abu Nidal is not even mentioned, and rightly so. Another attempted obfuscation which FAILED.

In fact, that initial Wiki reference of your puts the climax nail in your coffin. Here is your own evidence:

So, in fact, Menachem Begin was not incensed by PLO attacks across the Lebanon border, he was frustrated BY THE LACK OF THEM which deprived him of his "casus belli".

As I commented earlier, the parallels with Israel's invasions of 1966 and 1967 are striking

With your justifications rendered to tatters by first-hand references, with your strawmen to irrelevant earlier epochs exposed, and your deflectionary reference dumps squirming under the spotlight, you nonetheless insist in continuing with the delusion that you are providing valid and telling rebuttal. [See the thread on Zionist debating privileges].

Which perfectly explains why, when your ammunition pouch is empty and your previous shots all backfired, you finally bring on the 'big guns' to secure the victory:

We stand in awe at your astonishing understanding of the Middle East and its real history.
Thank you.

With no further meaningful refutation forthcoming, I conclude that Israel wanted southern Lebanon in line with the Zionist dream of Eretz Yisrael; wanted to rid herself of the representatives of the people of Palestine, and wanted it to appear that she was just a small peace-loving country under continuous attack. To try to show this she had to create Myths. The myth of justification for her 1982 Lebanon invasions remains busted.

But don't worry, Zionist apologists on this forum will be back on the near future claiming the 290 attacks by the PLO from Lebanese soil as sound justification. SO bookmark this link.

 

George Ball was an anti Semite, UNIFIL were not qualified to tie their shoe laces and your argument foaming at the mouth is so outrageous as to make all your claims against Israel irreconcilable with reality... I will not retort to Moorish accusations from your part again... this is final!

You can use this board to blaspheme my country all you want when yours is still strapped to Bulls and a secure paycheck...

 

And we can all notice that you have still failed utterly to refute even one single fact of those posted and reference negating all of the reasons that you offered in attempted justification of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

You are wriggling on the end of an unsupported piece of string, HBendor.
And you have been doing so all the way through this thread.

Good bye, HBendor, until you have some pertinent facts as opposed to your silly 1976 strawmen and your *CLANG*-empty reference dumps.

 

Don't get me wrong, Uri, I am sure that there were a host of reasons for Israel to invade Lebanon.

It is just that the two main justifications usually offered up --- attacks by the PLO across the border, and the London assassination attempt --- have just been shown to be utterly false.

You offer another reason --- regime change and the PLO gone. Unfortunately those are not valid reasons for a retaliatory invasion. Alexander Haig giving Begin and Sharon the nod based on those was a despicable promotion of the violation of international law by the US. Equally disgusting was the US veto of a resolution calling for a ceasefire after the Israeli invasion - 20 000+ subsequently died.

But of course these acts led to the US paying a HUGE price with the 1983 bombing of the Beirut barracks in which 241 American servicemen lost their lives. "Why are they attacking us?" Oy vey!!

I can think up more reasons why Israel would want to invade Lebanon:

# To create a more effective defensive buffer zone in someone else's territory than that supplied by the Christian militia.
# To go one step closer to Ben-Gurion's dream of an Eretz Yisrael which included southern Lebanon
# To remove the Syrian influence over Lebanon

But Israeli was not able to invade Lebanon based on these wishes because they are all in flagrant violation of the UN Charter and international law.

So Begin and Sharon had to concoct more plausible "casus belli" which they did, and UN Secretary Haig was only too happy to swallow them and contribute to the slaughter of 20 000+ people. But as we have seen. Both reasons were totally false, notwithstanding how many times HBendor bellows to the contrary .... always without relevant evidence.

Israel made a habit of provocations and then attacking, under the guise of so-called "defensive wars". No well-read person would now accept the 1982 Lebanon example. And most are not well-read at all about other "defensive wars" by Israel, such as those on Syria in 1966, Egypt 1967, Lebanon 2006 and Operation Cast Lead 2009, so those probably deserve their own threads.