It should never be illegal to give another human being a drink of water.

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The people handing out these soft drinks are typically groups with a political agenda.

    In the old days, corrupt political groups used to hand out free beer to get people to come out and vote, with the unstated assumption that these people would be grateful for the free alcohol and would vote the way the people that were handing out the free beer wanted them to vote.

    It was a form of corruption, albeit a more mild one.
     
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    That's not true. This particular issue IS about race.
     
  3. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Curious, I'm in Arizona. If other States have long lines, I would like to see more machines or extra areas within the precincts. More volunteers as well. There's no excuse for what I hear. While I've got you on the phone.... I'd like to know where you stand on HR1. I know in the past you have stated you'd never be for National election laws and that they should be left to the States.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's about election laws that apply equally.
     
  5. MJ Davies

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    It's clearly not "equal" if some people have to travel farther and wait longer (up to several hours) just to exercise their right to vote.

    Either you are lying or willfully obtuse.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well we should be able to prepare and adjust!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would project your lying comment back on to you. The law should apply equally to everyone. I would like to see wait time eliminated. I have to drive 3 hrs to the capitol for jury duty. It's my decision to live where I live and I don't blame race or my situation on anybody! Yet you try to.
     
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    Yet, somehow you completely ignored every link I posted that shows the polling places were eliminated in key areas which caused a hardship to certain demographics. Spin it however you need to in your own head. Anybody paying attention sees exactly what is going on.
     
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    It's hard to understand how Republicans could target key Democrat precincts due to race and eliminate those voting areas. Don't Democrats have any power over their own precincts? Another problem you might encounter. There are a growing of number of Blacks and Browns jumping the Democrat Plantation. In other words, you don't own all of them contrary to what Ole' Joe thinks. That will be a growing concern to you in the future.
     
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    Good example. The water that comes out of the tap is connected to an individual that pays the bill. If no individual can be connected to that water supply, the water gets shut off.
     
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    The nonsense you come up with they are just talking about you giving the guy standing next to you a bottle of water they're talking about all but running a free buffet.
     
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    Unprecedent is always a problem you can never prepare for stuff that never happened before.
     
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    You don't understand it because you live inside your own bubble of deniability. I get it. It's easier in that worldview.
     
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    Only if you wish it to be. In fact what happened largely was a perfect storm. 1 pole worker shortage cause by covid reducing the number of polling stations.
    2. Unprecedented turn out following a slightly lower turnout especially on the Democratic side in 2016.

    These three things alone all but guaranteed long lines especially in Democratic districts.
     
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    So, to your first point, KY at one point had one polling station for 600,000 people. That needs to be fixed.

    I'm not in favor of national election laws at all. It should be left up to the states. That said, if states are going to pull this kind of crap like reduce polling places to discourage voting, then perhaps legislation is in order. It's a shame, because once it becomes a national election there is no reason for the electoral college. I am a big fan of the EC.

    How can we make the states behave without legislating the states? This is a conundrum.
     
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    This entire thread is, as often the case, fake news. Here is what the proposed law actually says.

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    The OP indicates that it is against the law to give people water. The image you posted says the same thing. Where's the discrepancy?
     
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    You haven't noticed the intent? The OP leads you to believe that the only reason is to keep people from voting or staying in the line to vote.

    The purpose is to keep political operatives from giving away drink and food as bribes. Bring your own water and food or the polling location itself can give out food and water.
     
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    Because it's not "illegal to give another human being water" it's illegal to get within 150 feet to offer voters in line anything.

    Saying that it's "illegal to give another human being water" is like saying that I can't go into a holding cell where my cousin is being held in jail and give him water. Calling trying to stop people from offering things to voters isn't a human rights violation and trying to pretend it's about it being "illegal to give another human being water" sounds incredibly stupid to me. This is fake news.
     
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    Why were there hour long waits in Oct for a November election when we were told most blacks used mail in ballots?

    Make up your ****ing mind.


    The growth in registered voters has outstripped the number of available polling places in both predominantly white and Black neighborhoods. But the lines to vote have been longer in Black areas, because Black voters are more likely than whites to cast their ballots in person on Election Day and are more reluctant to vote by mail, according to U.S. census data and recent studies. Georgia Public Broadcasting/ProPublica found that about two-thirds of the polling places that had to stay open late for the June primary to accommodate waiting voters were in majority-Black neighborhoods, even though they made up only about one-third of the state's polling places. An analysis by Stanford University political science professor Jonathan Rodden of the data collected by Georgia Public


    Eh?

    I thought they left church in vans on Sunday so polls need to be open on Sundays or its racist.. Now this?
     
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    Your post makes no sense. They were voting in the earlier elections as stated in the article.

    The word "most" automatically tells the reader that is "not ALL" so there is no discrepancy with this being an issue for "some" (again, not ALL) voters.
     
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    because Black voters are more likely than whites to cast their ballots in person on Election Day

    Which is it?

    Election day?
    Mail in Ballots?
    Or after church because all three are being parroted around.
     
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    Is there a particular reason that it can't be all three or are all those options only available to white people?
     
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    All three the term most was used... So it cant be all three..

    Dont try to spin that nonsense onto me buddy not going to fall for it...
     
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    Water can be brought to voters by the polling place workers.

    Stop the Steal, for Real This Time




    ELECTIONS
    Joe Biden Botches the Georgia Voting Law
    By DAN MCLAUGHLIN
    March 26, 2021 6:16 PM
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    President Joe Biden talks to reporters as he arrives at New Castle Airport in New Castle, Del., March 26, 2021. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
    His claim that the law prohibits giving water to voters standing on line is way off base.

    Joe Biden, grasping the latest left-wing talking point pushed by Stacey Abrams and her media allies everywhere, has launched a misleading attack on Georgia Senate Bill 202, which Governor Brian Kemp just signed into law.

    Here’s what Biden had to say:

    It’s an atrocity. The idea, you want any indication, it has nothing to do with fairness, nothing to do with decency. They pass a law saying you can’t provide water for people standing in line, while they’re waiting to vote. You don’t need anything else to know that this is nothing but punitive, designed to keep people from voting. You can’t provide water for people about to vote? Give me a break.



    Let’s take a look at what S.B. 202 actually says:

    No person shall solicit votes [or] distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to [a voter] … This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer…from making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to [a voter] waiting in line to vote.

    The parts in bold are what S.B. 202 added to the statute. The prohibition applies inside polling places, within 150 feet of a polling place, or “within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”

    Now, first of all, notice what is not prohibited here. Voters can still bring bottled water or other food or beverages with them to stand on line to vote, as people often do when waiting at Disney World or to buy concert tickets or in other public places where people stand on long lines. Voters can still also, if they like, order food; the bill doesn’t stop the Domino’s Pizza man or the local hot dog cart or taco truck from doing business. And if you feel impelled to donate food and drink to voters, you can still do that, too; you just have to give it to the poll workers so they can put it out for general use. The president’s claim that “You can’t provide water for people about to vote” is just false. What you cannot do under the new Georgia law is deploy people in National Rifle Association t-shirts and MAGA hats to hand out free Koch-brothers-financed, Federalist Society–branded pizza to voters.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/03/joe-biden-botches-the-georgia-voting-law/
     

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