sorry bro, but genetic research shows that while the female DNA of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews tend to be European, the male DNA tends to be Middle Eastern.
Would you say that While Allah mixed the female African's DNA with the male Bedouin's DNA, he created the Palestinians ?
Yeah, pretty much. According to the Bible Adam and Eve were the first humans. They had a couple of children-sons-who then went on to marry. Where did those women come from? It's a fantasy.
Didn't you know? Everyone who disagrees with the poster or dares to paint Israel in less than eulogistic, glowing terms, is a Muslim. He considers it to be an insult to call someone a Muslim. Personally speaking I consider it an honour if the person in question is an example of the joys of Judaism...
Are Jews A Race Or A Religion? A Genetic Map Helps – OpEd By Rabbi Allen S. Maller What can we learn from recent gene research that will help us answer the question of ‘are Jews a nation or a religion?’. Are Jews more closely related to other Jews around the world or are they more closely related to their non-Jewish neighbors? A recent genetic analysis focusing on Jews from North Africa when added to an overall genetic map of Jewish Diasporas indicates that both views are correct because lots of non-Jews converted to Judaism during the centuries of the Roman Empire, and very few converted in the last eight to ten centuries. The findings, by researchers at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, were published online August 6, 2012 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. They support the historical record of Middle Eastern Jews, mostly males, settling in North Africa during Classical Antiquity. These men actively proselytizing non-Jews who lived where they settled, and then married into the local populations. By this process, the basic distinct Jewish populations of Jews from the Land of Israel mixed with local converts were formed, that then stayed largely intact for more than 1,500 years. Most of those who entered the Jewish community did so during the four to five centuries before Roman laws outlawed conversion to Judaism In a previous genetic analysis, the researchers showed that modern-day Sephardic (Greek and Turkish), Ashkenazi (Eastern European) and Mizrahi (Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian) Jews that originated in Europe and the Middle East, are more related to each other than to their contemporary non-Jewish neighbors, with each group forming its own cluster within the larger Jewish population. Further, each group demonstrated Middle-Eastern ancestry, plus varying percentages of converts to Judaism from the surrounding populations. Two of the major Jewish populations — Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews — were found to have diverged from each other almost 2,500 years ago. The current study extends that analysis to North African Jews — the second largest Jewish Diaspora group. Their genetic relatedness to each other, to other Jewish Diaspora groups, and to their non-Jewish North African neighbors had not been well defined in the past. The study also included members of Jewish communities in Ethiopia, Yemen and Georgia. DNA signatures found in Ethiopian Jews indicate that they are genetically different from Middle Eastern Jews and from the other non-Jewish people living in Ethiopia. The genetic evidence is consistent with historical accounts that local people were converted to Judaism in large numbers. The Jewish community then spent more than 2,000 years in cultural and genetic isolation. Yemenite Jewish people also form a separate genetic group from other Jews, consistent with large scale conversion to Judaism in the centuries prior to the advent of Islam.. “I like to think of it as both the flow of ideas as well as genes that contribute to Jewishness,” Dr. Ostrer, the lead researcher, says. In the Caucasus, Georgian Jews are an offshoot of groups that first moved from Palestine to present-day Iran and Iraq, the new analysis shows. In all, the researchers analyzed the genetic make-up of 509 Jews from 15 populations along with genetic data on 114 individuals from seven North African non-Jewish populations. North African Jews exhibited a high degree of endogamy, or marriage within their own religious group in the last 12-13 centuries, in accordance with Jewish custom. Ethiopian and Yemenite Jewish populations also formed distinctive genetically linked clusters, as did Georgian Jews. All Jewish groups provided evidence of large numbers of converts to Judaism from the local populations in the distant past, with much smaller numbers of converts to Judaism in the five to ten centuries prior to the twentieth century. http://www.albanytribune.com/28122013-jews-race-religion-genetic-map-helps-oped/
She contributes nothing at all. - - - Updated - - - This Rabbi has an interesting take on the subject................
There are genetically different Jews ( European Ashkenazim and Oriental Sephardic) and even two different kinds Ashkenazi Jews (East- and West- European Ashkenazim), and these groups are genetically totally different. Most Ashkenazim are East-Ashkenazim, and they stem from the Slavs and Khazars that converted to Judaism in the 10th century AD. West-Ashkenazim stem from West-Europeans that converted to Judaism in the early Middle Ages. There is a solid genetic research that proves this fact. www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=282956 Orientals Jews stem from Arabs and Berbers that converted to Judaism in the early Middle Ages in Yemen or later in North Africa, that is the reason why Arab Muslims, Arab Christians and Arab Jews are genetically indistinguishable.
WRONG!!!! most recent genetic research on Ashkenazim and Sephardim shows that our male ancestors left Palestine, moved to southeastern europe, and took Gentile wives.
The genetic experts are not in agreement , The jury is still out. However the latest Oct.2013 Back to topic - the most recent study (2013) Mt-DNA of Ashkenazi Jews A study at the University of Huddersfield led by Professor Martin B. Richards, the results of which were released in October 2013, analyzed about 2,500 complete and 28,000 partial Mt-DNA genomes of mostly non-Jews, and 836 partial Mt-DNA genomes of Ashkenazi Jews. The study concluded that 65%-81% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA is European in origin, claiming that all four founding mothers were European, and that most of the remaining lineages are also European. The study claims that only 8% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA is Middle Eastern in origin, and the origin of the rest is unclear. They wrote: If we allow for the possibility that K1a9 and N1b2 might have a Near Eastern source, then we can estimate the overall fraction of European maternal ancestry at ~65%. Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous... Thus at least two-thirds and most likely more than four-fifths of Ashkenazi maternal lineages have a European ancestry. The origins of the Ashkenazim is one of the big questions that people have pursued again and again and never really come to a conclusive view," said Prof Richards, who has described the new data as "compelling." Professor Martin Richards heads the Archaeogenetics Research Group based at the University of Huddersfield and he is a co-author of the new article, entitled "A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131008112539.htm Jewish by birth Wiki says " All branches of Orthodox Judaism and Conservative Judaism today maintain that the halakhic rules (i.e. matrilineal descent) are valid and binding According to halakha, to determine a person's Jewish status (Hebrew: yuhasin) one needs to consider the status of both parents. If both parents are Jewish, their child will also be considered Jewish, and the child takes the status of the father (e.g., as a kohen). If either parent is subject to a genealogical disability (e.g., is a mamzer) then the child is also subject to that disability. If one of the parents is not Jewish, the rule is that the child takes the status of the mother (Kiddushin 66b, Shulchan Aruch, EH 4:19).[8] The ruling is derived from various sources including Deuteronomy 7:1–5, Leviticus 24:10, Ezra 10:2–3.[8] Accordingly, if the mother is Jewish, so is her child, and if she is not Jewish, neither is her child considered Jewish. The child can be considered Jewish only by a process of conversion to Judaism. The child is also freed from any disabilities and special status to which the father may have been subject (e.g., being a mamzer or kohen) under Jewish law. ====
why the (*)(*)(*)(*) do you keep ignoring the Y chromosomes????????? oh, right....its because they show a distinct relation between Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jews and Palestinians/Syrians/Lebanese/Kurds. keep up your dishonest posting, bud.
Gentile wives? Is Jewishness not passed from mother to her children? If the mothers do not stem from Orient, then the children cannot be Jewish by descent, can you get my drift? I am glad that you use the term Palestine, but no genetic study can distinguish between Palestine and Saudi Arabia or North Africa. They just say that some haplogourps are of Oriental, nothing else. And the orient is a huge region. Here is the region of the J-Haplogroup (Y-DNA) The ancestors of Ashkenazim with Y-Haplogroup may stem from ANY part of this region, and Palestine is less than 1% of the region in which Haplogroup J was spread 2000 years ago. The genetic studies you are referring to deal only with direct male ancestors. Some of direct male ancestors of Ashkenazim really were oriental people, but it is impossible to say if these oriental people live in Palestine or in Iran. And if you look at this picture you will realize that the direct male ancestors are only a tiny part part of all ancestors. If you want to determine the bulk of your ancestors, you have to look at the haplogourps of the autosomal chromosomes , which are inherited from indirect male and female ancestors. And the bulk of the ancestors of today Ashkenazim are from Khazaria, this was proven by Eran Elhaik in his recent study. As we see, if some direct male ancestors of Ashkenazim have oriental roots, then this may mean that they came to Khazaria from Iran, not from Palestine. But the bulk of their ancestors are from Khazaria, not from the Orient. So stop repeating the old and debunked propaganda about Ashkenazim being the descendants of Hebrews, more than 90 of their INDIRECT ancestors are from Khazaria.
sorry bro, but the most recent genetic research suggests that Jewish men left Judea and took Gentile wives in southeast Europe.
You try to talk about things you do not understand. Y chromosome is only the direct male lineage. Even people who have 99,99% non-oriental ancestors can have an oriental direct Y-Chromosome. It is more important to trace the autosomal Chromosomes, and that is what Eran Elhaic did in his research. Well, as already said, and that becomes clear from the diagram of ancestry, the Y-DNA of direct male ancestors does not represent the bulk of your ancestors, and the Y-DNA may represent only less than 1% of your ancestors. Just try to continue this picture, imagine that you are Tim, and imagine your ancestry is reaching 2000 years back, and only one single male in your ancestry came from Orient, and you cannot be sure if he came from Iran or Palestine. What about the non-direct male ancestors?
sad how folks are soo afraid of the clear fact that Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are genetic cousins to the Palestinians.
You constantly talk about some recent genetic research but have failed to quote any. And it is obvious that you do not have any basic knowledge about genetics, you do not understand the difference between direct and indirect ancestors, you do not understand the difference between autosomal chromosomes and Y-chromosomes. And you fully ignore that I have quoted the genetic research from the year 2013 by Eran Elhaik, there is no more recent genetic research, so stop repeating your BS.
If they were cousins, they would look similar and have similar autosomal chromosomes. And there would be no racial problems in Palestine. As we know, even swarthy oriental Jews are segregated from white Ashkenazi who have separate schools and who believe that swarthy oriental Jews are inferior to the white European Jews.
Ron , how about giving the date of what call " the most recent genetic research" ?????? The report I've posted was Oct 2013 - two months ago. Have you got anything more recent than that ? ,,,,,
Oct 2013 was 2 months ago???????????? lolol!!!!!! http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago
THat's right - October was followed by November and December , We're still in January - WOT ? However . should I still wait for you to confirmed the date of what you previously claimed to have been Hmmmmm - I guess your so-called " most recent genetic research" is considerable earlier than October 2013 .
I doubt there are many Palestinian who'd deny Sephardim links , but while they at first trustingly accepted Ashkenazi pretentions and was at first friendly towards Ashkenazi, Palestinians soon discovered that European Ashkenazi Jews came to Palestine , not just a refugees from Europe , but they came with plans to establish Herzl's "Der Judenstaat" and to displace/dispossess non-Jewish Palestinians and steal their lands. ..
No, it does NOT . Whichever way you wish to distort it - it does not support European AshkeNazi Jews claims to land ownership in Palestine any more than it would legitimize some Roman/ Italian claims to lands ownership in Britain coz it was once part of the Roman Empire. ???????????? .....
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html "There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago"
