John Bolton says he may launch presidential bid to stop Trump

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The same multi field candidates could again happen in 2024 helping Trump. But I think Trump is done. I said numerous times here Trump is a has been along with his avid supporters who haven’t realized that yet. Trump’s very favorable rating among Republicans, I equate very favorable to be an avid Trumper. His very favorables have fallen to 41% today among Republicans vs. 65% back in January. His total favorable among Republicans, adding very favorable and somewhat favorable has also fallen from 81% down to 72%. Somewhat is hard to define, but very favorable is enthusiastic about Trump. Hence, me equating very favorable to avid Trump supporters. There’s little else to go on.


    I’d place DeSantis ahead of Trump for the GOP nomination today. I’m probably the only one who would do this. Trump is fading, he has too much baggage, too many investigations. DeSantis is clean, acts presidential instead of like a 4-year-old spoiled brat with his name calling and throwing of temper tantrums. I think Trump’s very obnoxious, uncouth, rude persona is wearing thin. Maybe more important is the loss of the House in 2018, the loss of the presidency in 2020 along with the senate. Throw in the red trickle of a midterm this year when it should have been a red wave, at least the leaders of the GOP are finally realizing Trump is an albatross around their necks. Keep Trump around as the face of the Republican Party for 2024, that almost guarantees another election loss. Trump is the biggest asset the Democrats have when it comes to winning elections.


    Come to think of it, that red trickle may have been a blue trickle as the Democrats gained 1 senate seat along with 2 governorships while holding the house losses to just 9 seats. The midterms were a Democratic victory in my opinion. At least compared to historical losses when a sitting president is hover around 40% overall job approval. Those averages are 48.5 house seats lost, 6 senate seats lost, 4.25 governorships lost.
     
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    It wasn't permission. It was a welcome.
     
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    I agree that DeSantis is the frontrunner now, but politics is fickle and when you peak is as important as how high you peak. There will be a couple of new 'flavors of the month' between now and 2024. DeSantis does not want to peak too soon, see a lot of media saturation too soon while he is still a sitting governor because governing a state like Florida itself is a risk. He's going to have to do unpopular things in the next two years which will get oversized attention. Remember how Jeb Bush was going to be the dominant candidate in 2016, until he just imploded. Its a cautionary tale.
     
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    I agree. DeSantis should now concentrate on governing Florida. Even play it coy although that may be hard to do since almost everyone know DeSantis has presidential ambitions. The best thing DeSantis can do is stay within the borders of Florida while letting Trump implode which he’s doing a very nice job of doing.
     
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    Not voting for Trump. Not voting for Bolton Go away!
     
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    I had not heard of that before, so I appreciate the education on it. Thank you.
     
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    And yet as they come in, you are stating the door is closed, no one is home, etc. But the point is that it will depend on how they want that war. Any one of the countries I mentioned would be another Grenada if done for the "right" reasons. And that is all the difference between the two.

    We encouraged the Arab Spring, the democratization of the Middle East, which Saudi Arabia did not like, especially the Crown Prince. But we did not actively support it. We tried, but the GOP blocked it thinking every group was a future AQ group in the making. This was the time where in the GOP, any Muslim was pretty much either related to a terrorist or were wanting to be terrorist.
     
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    Biden sending US troops back to Somalia, reversing Trump pullout

    So what national defense reason is Biden giving for this? I think it's more about stealing precious resources to feed the great US super power.
     
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    The problem is that trump will never concede defeat and drag the country into another crisis with his attempts to subvert the election results.
    If trump is the gop nominee, we will have already failed as a country.
     
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    This announcement from Bolton has nothing to do with any desire on his part to be President. It's all about the GOP Elite's "splitter strategy".

    It'll be interesting to see if this strategy works this time around, since it utterly failed in 2016.
     
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    I don't think there is a single member on this forum who does NOT support legal immigration. No one on the left has ever mentioned how many they are willing to accept through our Southern border. A million? 10 million? 50 million? As many as it takes?

    How one so easily forgets that the Arab Spring led to the rise of the Islamic State!
     
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    We already failed as a country in 2016... bringing him back for another loss isn't improvement, but it's not rock bottom either.... hopefully, we've been there...
     
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    Not every time. I said there's a 50% chance he'll say something unhinged and a 50% chance he'll say something untrue. Not 100% chance he'll do one or the other, but it does include the possibility that what he says will be both.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion. I just disagree with it and I know for some people that makes me worse than Hitler.
     
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    With your permission, and if I ever think Trump is important enough to mention again, I'd like to shave that down a bit and consider it one of my signatures...
     
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    TRaitor tRumps track record say's there's a 99.9999... % chance he's not going to be honest.
     
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    Well no, just calling it like I see it. He's the biggest liar in the history of lying.

    But to your point any patriotic American should fear tRaitor tRump becoming president again.
     
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    The more candidates to dilute the vote, the better for Trump. 2016 déjà vu.

    The GOP moderates will only defeat Trump in the primaries if they go with only one additional candidate that appeals to independents. Or, if they go with multiple candidates, then they'll defeat him only if they all rapidly drop out and support whoever is doing better, after a few state primaries.
     
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    Republican mediocrity is what gave us Trump.
     
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    You have my permission Sir lol.
     
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    That is what the Navy is doing. According to The New York Times we're still fighting Al-Qaeda in Somalia.

    In addition to this order reversing Trump's withdrawal, the president has also approved a request by the Pentagon allowing the targeting of a dozen suspected leaders of the Somali Islamic extremist rebel group of al-Shabab, which is believed to be affiliated with Al-Qaeda, The New York Times reported.

    According to the Pentagon, the troops deployed in Somalia won't be used in combat operations, but they will be repositioned around Africa to train and support Somali forces fighting against al-Shabab.

    And now the new Al-Qaeda is being brought to Ukraine to fight against the Russians sponsored by the CIA. History repeating itself. Afghanistan 1987-1989.

    https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ukraine-the-new-al-qaeda/

    The eruption of war between Russia and Ukraine appears to have given the CIA the pretext to launch a long-planned insurgency in the country, one poised to spread far beyond Ukraine’s borders with major implications for Biden’s “War on Domestic Terror”,

    As the conflict between Ukraine and Russia continues to escalate and dominate the world’s attention, the increasing evidence that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is and has been working to create and arm an insurgency in the country has received considerably little attention considering its likely consequences. This is particularly true given that former CIA officials and a former Secretary of State are now openly saying that the CIA is following the “models” of past CIA-backed insurgencies in Afghanistan and Syria for its plans in Ukraine. Given that those countries have been ravaged by war as a direct result of those insurgencies, this bodes poorly for Ukraine.
     
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    Well, Russia did try to use Chechen Islamic Terrorists to fight on their side, until they switched sides. And I have no doubt the CIA is flying in mercenaries, some of whom will change their loyalties by the amount of $$$$$ you offer. However, Somalia is still of strategic importance. Trump's withdrawal was a mistake at that time, and probably showed the Taliban that the US "can keep its word" despite the Taliban never keeping their word on anything. But that is international geopolitics.

    If the War between Russia and Ukraine goes further, it will be on Russia expanding and us reacting, which is what the old cold war was all about with some 52 or so proxy wars from 1950 to 1992. Russia is having its second Vietnam incident. And Russia should have never invaded Ukraine, to begin with in early 2022.

    We learned our lesson about being isolationists. And that lesson was learned on December 7, 1941.
     
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    Bolton is a horrible person. Warmongering bloodthirsty skin ag.
     
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    John Bolton says he may launch presidential bid to stop Trump.

    But that won't stop anything much less Trump.
     

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