John McCain...Donald Trump

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    McCains dedication was entirely to hisself.
    It's provable.He used his war hero status to become a Senator.
    Like Kerry.Both despicable Americans.And I voted for the little hedgehog in 2008.
    I shoulda known better.,But Sarah Palin was a true patriot and down to
    earth common sense,American.I voted for McCain on account of her.
     
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    So, if your heroes are trump and palin, then the top of your priority list is stupidity, and at the very bottom is dedication to America.
    It is provable that he wasn't entirely selfish since he voluntarily turned down early release which is in contrast to trump who used his mommies skirts to avoid any service whatsoever.
    Now, even if he did use his service record to get elected, so what? Why is that not ok, but squandering an inherited fortune to become a low rate reality tv actor is somehow ok?
    Your ONLY measure really is how subservient someone is to your cherished but unfounded opinions. Patriotism, service, and America don't enter into the calculation for you. If it did, you would condemn attacks on people like McCain.
     
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    Since you bring up Bush 43, let's talk about his mission.. he flew an F111, an aircraft that was little more than a missile with wings that killed more of it's pilots than the enemy, the mission for that aircraft was to shoot down nuke missiles, at the sacrifice of the pilot. Had W had a "D" by his name, he would have been the most popular Democrat president .. ever.
     
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    Boy, you're a very confused individual.
     
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    Johnny Mac voted to keep Obamacare, despite having campaigned against it and promising to Pres Trump to vote for it's repeal, and to the detriment of the wishes of a majority of the American public just to spite Pres Trump.. and ALL of that is perfectly in keeping with McCain's reputation. Foolardi is spot on in his assessment of McCain.
     
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    Since he started a war as unpopular and almost as tragic as Vietnam, I hardly think so.
     
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    Let's not compare 43's service to McCain's. They just aren't comparable. Now, no matter what letter followed his name, a president that oversaw a financial collapse and entangled us in multiple military quagmires shouldn't be anybodies favorite president. That being said, the politics are fair game for debate. Questioning the SERVICE of a man like McCain can ONLY be done in bad faith and disrespect for service to this country. All that being said, the democrats didn't have a president using his pulpit to run down the service of ANY service member especially not over a petty personal beef, especially when that beef is primarily jealousy that someone is so so so so much better than they are. Nothing on the left even comes close. And the next closest thing came from 43's camp.
     
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    So, this is a political beef. You can disagree with his politics, but trying to diminish his service and agreement with foolardi can only come from disrespect for patriotism and military sacrifice.
     
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    Because what it was being replaced by was even worse.
     
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    Naw, the MSM would have covered for him like they did Obama and HRC.
     
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    Total BS. Not even within reality.
     
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    If he did what he's accused of doing with the dossier, he deserves it all and more.

    Break it down for us Scrappy Doo.
     
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    Turned it over to proper authorities? What a monster.
     
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    Now who's turning a blind eye there Scrappy.

    The improper authorities are the ones who gave it to him to give it the semblance of authenticity.
     
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    Ok, so what? Turn it into the authorities, and if there's nothing there, then that's that. If there is more smoke to follow, now you did your part for your country to protect it from a hostile country's threat. Again, not good for the republicans, but good for America. He was just putting his country above his party. Anybody who doesn't have that as at least one principle can't claim to be a patriot.
     
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    No, no no, Scrappy Doo.

    The "authorities" are the ones who gave it to HIM in order for them to claim HE justified it's existence.

    You are up to date on your investigation of the authenticity and veracity of the information contained in the "dossier", yes?

    What he did, potentially, was participate in giving authenticity to a pile of garbage funded by Hillary Clinton and the FBI to advance a false narrative against a duly elected President.
     
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    Oh, lol, I see. When trump screams disrespect for the service of a dead war hero, we can't make any inferences into his thinking. But when it comes to gigantic lizard-people conspiracies between the fbi and clinton, suddenly we can make gigantic leaps of logic based on absolutely 0 evidence.
     
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    Sound like you need to get back in the Mystery Machine.

    Clinton funded the dossier and Comey, McCabe, Ohr and others helped fund and push the dossier. These are all facts.

    Watch something besides Maddow and you might know these things.
     
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    I could care less about such petty arguments. I won't be distracted from voting for what's important which is the success of my family, my children, and my fellow Americans. MAGA
     
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    It was McCain who paid to have a person get the Steele Dossier
    and hand deliever it to Comey who leaked it to Buzzfeed { a Left leaning
    vehicle for Democrats }.McCain was more than instrumental in making
    sure Trump was spied upon but also thoroughly embarrassed by the ridiculous
    contents of the Bogus Steele Dossier with it's Trump Russian Hotel
    Golden Shower episode.
    The Impetus for all this Russian Collusion and need for a Special
    Counsel started with that Steele Dossier.
    Trump shoulda challenged McCain to a duel.Or in the least a
    WWF wrestling match.
     
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    That handoff from McCain to Comey was the part designed to give it some credibility.

    The FBI needed to be able to say they got the information from a "republican", instead of Steele or Clinton associates, even though they knew and assisted the creation of the dossier before McCain had it.

    That happened in much the same way the dossier was leaked to the media, to give credibility for using the dossier to get the FISA warrant.

    They created their own credibility by basically laundering the dossier through intermediaries.

    McCain seems to have been one of them. How much HE knew of his part in the process is the only reason I hold my tongue.
     
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    So, even if it could be shown that the dossier was funded by clinton, comey, mccabe, and all these other lizard people, and even if it could be shown that the dossier was a significant basis for any suspicion or investigation, remember: We can't pretend to know what they are thinking right?
     
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    It was shown that the dossier was funded by Clinton, and that Steele was both funded and assisted by the FBI.

    I think you need a new magnifying glass.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-payments-trump-dossier-author-steele-n897506
     
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    Right, but not only by clinton, and it's not the driver of any investigations. Furthermore, no matter how garbage it is, turning it over to law enforcement is still the right thing to do. Even if it were political sabotage, that doesn't change McCain's service record. Even if it did, bringing it up now doesn't do any good, and still shows disrespect for dead veterens. Do these things not come up in the hannity/trump pillow talk sessions?
     
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    Yes, by Clinton, who picked it up and ran with it by hiring Steele.

    "Law Enforcement", specifically the FBI and DOJ, were the people who helped fund and push the dossier as "evidence" of a Trump-Putin conspiracy.

    McCain is not being slandered for being a veteran, he's slandered for doing something that deserves derision.

    In much the same way we still put rapists who are veterans in jail for committing a crime, McCain's involvement in this doesn't get him a pass for being a veteran.

    Besides, as a veteran, I'm well aware that there are plenty of people who were both veterans and scumbags.

    Being a veteran doesn't absolve you of everything else.

    You keep hanging in there Scrappy, never mind my palm on your forehead.
     

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