What you believe has no relevance in this Forum... But you can state your point even if it has no value. A people that has coalesced 3000 years ago and living today, a people that managed to liberate their old Patrimony... They are the majority in it today, they have a government, they have a flag that they swore allegiance to... What else bothers you? Look at the Syrian next door... all is hanky dory I presume... Hmmmmm? The Incas and the Mayas are practically extinct and cannot reclaim their old lands... All these people that controlled the world (The Romans, the Pharaohs, the Byzantines, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Mesopotamian etc.,as we knew it are not here today and they were replaced by others... Not the Jews though for they are here, alive and well and rebuilding their old patrimony where the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of Israel, the kings of Israel are buried, this is a country with a history of the Jews... and please do not listen to these that make fallacious statement as if the Canaanite are alive... Yes they are in the veins of the Jewish people since through the years they absorbed them (intermarried with them) so the Jews of today are the real aborigines of the Land of Israel notwithstanding the phantasmagoric statements of some Britishers.
Since 1921 Transjordan was it's own political entity and was excluded from being Palestine. Palestine was defined as the lands West of the Jordan River and any other claim is pure BS. With the illegal creation of the State of Israel we now have a territorial boundry of Israel based upon the pre-1967 War and the remainder of territory (West of the Jordan River) is Palestine (or Syria or Lebannon) as established by UNSC Resolution 242. Israel has no territorial claim to any land acquired in 1967 or thereafter, period, based upon UNSC Resolution 242.
incredible, unimaginable, unbelievable to say the least... since you did not substantiate the above I will also not comment on it. Suffice to mention the following in higher authority who would explain this better... Stamp Abdullah Stamp Hussein of Jordan
A lack of the ability of an individual to actually research a historical fact is not a rebuttal to that fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan The British "Mandate for Palestine" did not address any immigration to Transjordan and was limited to the territory West of the Jordan River which was referred to as Palestine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242 Yes, I'm using Wikipedia as a source but all of this presented by Wikipedia is supported by citiation and is accurate. Israel started the 1967 War by invading Egypt and UNSC clearly established that the acquisition of territory by war was unacceptable and the resolution also requires Israel to withdraw it's military from that territory (conditional upon item (ii) being fulfilled as well). Israel has no claim to the territories that it occupied in 1967 or thereafter. It is also in violation of Geneva Convention Article 49 because it has allowed the immigration of it's civilian population into a territory under it's military occupation. All of this is historical fact just like the BS rationalization that Egypt closing the Straits of Tiran was an "act of war" against Israel because Israel hadn't used the Straits of Tiran for years prior to 1967. Israel started the 1967 war in an attempt to acquire territory and was immediately rebuffed by the United Nations Security Council by a unanimous vote approving UNSC 242. Everything since then has been BS propaganda by Israel that I don't even think honest Israelis believe. Israelis know that the 1967 War and the occupation of the West Bank, Golan Heights, and E Jerusalem was all about illegally taking the lands from the Palestinians. The only problem is that they don't care about the fact that Israel's actions violate the Rights of the Palestinians and international laws.
Thanks for the lesson is crackpot thought processes, don't bother to reply, you already posted enough BS for one day.
If "Palestine" belongs to anyone based upon ancient history then it belongs to the decendants of the Canaanites that lived there long before the Jews. Of course "ancient" claims are pure BS. Palestine belonged to those living in Palestine in 1921 and to no one else. The immigration of European Jews under the Zionist movement to establish a Jewish nation violated the Rights of the Palestinians that were already living in Palestine and, in fact, violated the British Mandate for Palestine as it violated the civil rights of the Palestinians (which included Muslim, Jews and Christians in 1921). The European Jews had no Rights related to Palestine. This is pure Zionist BS.
Shiva - methinks you flogging a dead , in your attempts to present historical fact to someone as entrenched/closed minded as a Zionist like Bendy
The UN is a mob of low-IQ, corrupt, and jealous natural-born killers. It is UN-American and civilized countries should escape from their captivity in its multispecies zoo. Israel was repeating an ancient policy, justified in Polybius's contemporary history of the Roman Republic, that stated that a country which is continually attacked has more than the right to defend itself. It also has the right, and the duty to its future generations, to end the continuous danger by annexing land from the invaders' territory. The Arabs' goal, then, now, and until they are rendered totally incapable of attacking anybody but their own nomadic desert tribes, has been the absolute extermination of the Israelis. They get rid of the Jews and all the rest of civilization is next in their insatiable drive for power and blood.
Trans-Jordan and Cis-Jordan Jordan of today (77%) plus Israel of today (23%) formed then what one would call the "Mandate for Palestine Territory" populated mainly by 78%. Muslims, of Palestinian stock. The Muslims of Judea, Samaria and the Gaza district are fighting to add another (5%) to their lot so as to control (82%) of "Mandated Territory", thus leaving Israel with an indefensible (18%) area vulnerable to future Muslim onslaught... Throughout recorded history there was no distinctive territorial whole, geopolitical or administrative, called "Trans-jordan." The probable reason for Transjordan (now called Jordan) has had no permanent name in past history seems to be that the area was never before a separate and independent entity," stresses Agil Hyder Hasan Abidi in a competent study published in 1965: "Since ancient times its geopolitical location exposed it to various conquerors who occupied it for varying reasons such as security and protection of trade routes." (Jordan A Political Study 1921-1957, p. 1) In Biblical times, Transjordan-the Eastern bank of the river Jordan-or parts of it, were generally united with (Cisjordan-Western Palestine). The tribes of, Gad, Reuben and half of Menasheh settled in the mountainous plateau of Gilead; King David subsequently conquered the whole of the East Bank of the Jordan River. Under the reign of King Solomon, the conquests of David were consolidated, but under his weak successors most of the East Bank was lost, or only held temporarily. The area was intermittently conquered and lost by the Hashmoneans, the Maccabim and the Herodian dynasty. From the fifth to the seventh century CE., the Transjordan area was under Roman authority. It was overrun by Muslim invaders in 635, and, after a brief interlude (1115-81) of Crusader rule, reverted to Muslim domination, first of the Mamelukes, and later (since 1517) of the Turks who administered it as part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years before the British put an end to this dominion. The area's internal history under the Turkish (Ottoman) rule, until the beginning of the XIX century, was characterized mainly by tribal feuds and family rivalries. In 1831, Ibrahim Pasha’s Egyptian army conquered the entire Left Bank of the Jordan River, together with the whole of Syria. When, in 1834, Ibrahim ordered a conscript levy, local Arabs revolted and, together with rebels from Hebron, Nablus and Bethlehem invaded and looted Jerusalem. In 1841, the great European Powers restored Ottoman rule, which was, however, only partial. Not before 1865 did the Turks succeed in establishing their authority in the north, and only about thirty years later did they penetrate into the southern part of Transjordan, which until then had been dominated by Bedouin chieftains. The Transjordan territory did not even form an administrative entity. From 1894 until World War I, it was incorporated into the Vilayet (province) of Syria, its northern part roughly corresponding to the Casa (sub-district) of Ajlun, while the central and southern parts corresponded to the Sanjak (district) of Kerak. During the Mandates period Trans-Jordan and Cis-Jordan formed one unit called the "Palestinian Mandate"...
That's pretty false.. There is now a state of Palestine. You can't claim something has never happened after it does indeed happen.
Well there are no Canaanite today for they were absorbed by the Jews or shall I say intermarried with them. The blood that flows in Jewish veins is Canaanite blood... The Jewish people are today the aborigines of their country...! So according to you... squatters are legal, imported Muslims laborers from Europe Bosnia, Albania and other parts of the ottoman Empire, Egypt, Syria and North Africa is legal in your eyes... but the Jews have no right to return home to rebuild it... Well I hate to disappoint all the anti Israel writers here for my country is here to stay and is the majority in Israel... I say carry with your defamations for you cannot reverse what has been established and reconstituted in 1948
DNA testing shows the same sort of genetic connections for many Palestinians as well. The ancient land right argument for Israel isn't a very good one. Nor is it an internationally legal one anyway.
I agree totally, Hereunder is a description of "Trans-Jordania" by Herbert Samuel High Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief dated 30th July 1921. X.--TRANS-JORDANIA. Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hedjaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year. When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hedjaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favored the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers. Local councils were accordingly formed in the various districts, the people not being ready to unite in any form of combined government for Trans-Jordania as a whole. Five British officers were appointed to assist the councils and their officials and to aid in organizing a gendarmerie. No British troops were stationed in the district. It cannot be claimed that the system of administration so set up was satisfactory. The authority of the councils was flouted by large sections of the population; taxes were collected with difficulty; the funds at the disposal of the local authorities were insufficient to ensure the maintenance of order, still less to defray the cost of roads, schools, hospitals, or other improvements for the benefit of the people. Some progress was beginning, however, to be made when, in the month of November, H.H. the Emir Abdullah, the second son of King Hussein, arrived from the Hedjaz at Ma'an, to the south of Trans-Jordania. His purpose was declared to be to restore a Shereefian government in Damascus. His arrival caused much disturbance in the minds of the people of Trans- Jordania and further impaired the authority, already slight, of the local authorities. From Ma'an the Emir proceeded on March 2nd to Amman, a town on the Hedjaz Railway to the east of Salt, and there established his headquarters. The Secretary of State for the Colonies being in Palestine in the month of March, a Conference was held with the Emir, who came to Jerusalem for the purpose. An arrangement was reached by which the Emir undertook to carry on the administration of Trans-Jordania, under the general direction of the High Commissioner of Palestine, as representing the Mandatory Power, and with the assistance of a small number of British officers, for a period of six months pending a definite settlement. Order and public security were to be maintained and there were to be no attacks against Syria. Since that time a close connection has continued between Palestine and Trans-Jordania. British representatives remain in the principal centers. I paid a visit to Amman on April 18th as the guest of the Emir and explained in an address to the sheikhs and notables the arrangement that had been made. The Emir came to Palestine again in the month of May. The political and technical officers of the Palestine Administration have made frequent visits to Trans-Jordania and have assisted the local officials with their advice. The difficulties of local finance have continued. Order and security are still lacking. A grant-in-aid of £180,000 was, however, voted by Parliament in July for the assistance of Trans-Jordania, and it is hoped that this assistance will enable an effective reserve force of gendarmerie to be established, revenue to be collected and the government of the district to be placed on a sounder footing. The district possesses great agricultural wealth, and the local revenue, if it were collected, would fully meet the local expenditure. The political and economic connection between Palestine and Trans-Jordania is very close. Trade is active; communications are constant; disturbance in the one area cannot fail to be of detriment to the other; the prevention of raids from east of the Jordan and the preservation of order there are of no small importance to the population on the west. Syria, too, has a close interest in the security of her southern border. If Trans-Jordania became a prey to anarchy, not only her own inhabitants, but also the neighboring territories, would be sufferers. All of them look to the Mandatory Power to prevent an eventuality, which in default of her influence and authority might prove not remote. CONCLUSION. I cannot end this Report without expressing my very sincere thanks to the members of my staff for the work of an arduous year. British and Palestinian, at headquarters and in the districts, in the administrative departments, in the judiciary, in the technical services, in the police--the officials of the Government have displayed a high degree of loyalty and zeal. Individual exceptions there have been, no doubt. In so new a service a uniformly satisfactory standard is not to be expected. But during a time of activity and change, under conditions often of difficulty and sometimes of strain, the staff as a whole have shown a sense of duty, an industry and a loyalty that redound both to their own credit and to the country's advantage. The British military authorities have rendered ready assistance whenever it was desired. Whether at General Headquarters at Cairo, or at the Divisional Headquarters in Palestine, or at the local stations, the Commanding Officers have constantly maintained a close and friendly co-operation with the Administration. They have dealt promptly and efficiently with all matters of joint concern. To them also I would convey my cordial thanks. HERBERT SAMUEL, High Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief. 30th July 1921.
I'm working right now, but here is one source. I could find more if you'd like when I have the time. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf
Jordan IS Palestine http://shoebat.com/videos/jordanPalestine.php History of the AREA of Palestine http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
Apparently you are also one of the confused ones General Assembly GA/11317 is the following NON MEMBER OBSERVER TO STATE' STATUS IN THE UN. That is all Friend... I hope you get well.
Mindless drivel not worthy of comment except to mention that the United States backed UNSC 242. Is this condemnation of the United States? Let's look at history. Over 2,000 years ago it was the Jews that invaded and occupied the Land of Canaan and under the above criteria the Jews had no right to do so. More recently, starting basically in the 1920's it was the European Zionist Jews that invaded Palestine, often illegally, and it was the Palestinians, overwhelmingly Muslims, that were being attacked and invaded just like the Canaanites over 2,000 years ago. The invading European Zionist Jews forced the Palestinians from their homes and land to create the country of Israel and now seeks to expand their territorial conquest. Based upon the above it is the Palestinians who have the Right to Fight against the invading European Jews and their decendants. Of course ancient policies no longer prevail. Today we have the Zionist Jews that were once oppressed have become the oppressor. There are literally extremist Zionist Jews that would willingly open death camps to murder every Palestinian man, woman and child in the Israeli military occupied Palestinian territory if they thought they could get away with it. I would put people like Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in that group as I believe he'd murder every Palestinian if he thought he could get away with it. Netanyahu has absolutely no belief in the natural (inalienable) Rights of ALL People and murder is not a crime in his deranged mind.
Of course not!!!!!!!!!!! But your PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF 242 is the one that is questionable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let us look now and disect 2000 years ago......... you were not here exactly like I was not!!!!!!!!! Invaded Palestine????????????????? Yes of course like the Europeans invaded America, Brazil. Argentina and Canada, and Australia and New Zealand etc., this is becoming R I D I C U L O U S !!!!!!!!!! Emigration and immigration is a movement that cannot be stopped... at least the Jews of Europe had an address to return to after their ordeal... what address you say... the address that was left to them from time immemorial, their home, their patrimony, their inheritance... They landed legally as every Tom, Dick and Harry, they bought land and started working... Funny as it might seem to you and others on the same vein the absentee Arab owners of most of the land were living outside the country and had a retinue of fellahin = peasants of every sort who worked the land for them... the majority of these fellahin were not even Arab... they were Bosnian, Albanian, Hauraneze (I suspect Druze), Girgis = Russian Georgia, Turks and many, many others... when they were approached by the locals they could only communicate with gesticulations. So please do not tell me that we stole the Land, we bought it and the consequences of this purchase a lot of fellahin lost their regular jobs, they were not aware that the Landlord sold his property from under them. This is not even worth consideration for a retort... (your real colors are slowly showing up here) Bibi Netanyahu has been disparaged by professionals and as a P.M. elected in office he is entitled to follow the demands of the electorate. If Ahmed Tibi had a majority in the Knesset he would perhaps get rid of all the Jews. The above does not hold water.
The Arabs, as is their nature, were wandering clans incapable of forming a country. The Jews came in and wanted to build a country. As it had been continuously for 2,000 years, Palestine was now owned by a foreign power, Great Britain. The British had no one else capable of forming a country except the Jews. An even better reason was that the World War I generation of British leaders knew history and knew that a jihad replacing the Ottoman drive for world domination was inevitable. So they established a Jewish homeland as a decoy to that jihad. All the jihadists fell for the Israeli trap until the organization of Al Qaida, which wisely believed they should bypass Israel and its determined, well-armed people. OBL, the Hitler of the Nazislamis, playing world dictator, changed the jihadist strategy and set out to destroy the decadent, cowardly, and confused West, especially America, which explains why our illegitimate rulers signed UNSC 242. QED. The American decadence was preceded by the one in the formerly Great Britain, which led the weak-minded UKuleles to oppose Zionism. The first war of Israeli independence was fought against the UKuleles. The third reason the Great British established Zionism was to test the Muslims and see if they could get along in the real world next to countries that weren't Muslim. These descendants of pre-historic criminals failed the test. There's no point in uniting with nations that only want to jealously destroy civilization and can't build countries worth living in for themselves. This is not a "Clash of Civilizations." That term sneakily begs the question by assuming that mobs of natural suicide-bombers are civilized. Those who call any contempt for these people "mindless drivel" have no appreciation for civilization and should be laughed at for their illogical egalitarianism. We should quit being jealous of the Jews and start imitating them. If every Israel-size part of America were as strong, brave, and intelligent as Israel, we would become the greatest civilization of all time. Instead we are living on borrowed time.
Two simple letters address this quite adequately. BS. The Palestinians (i.e. those living in Palestine in 1921) were settle there and were not nomadic tribes. They had small business and homes and the Zionists used terrorism and coercion to force them out of their homes and businesses in establishing Israel. Well over 400,000 were denied the Right to Return to their homes and businesses at the end of the Arab-Israeli war. As I recall 18% of the territory of Israel is land that was stolen from the legal Arab landowners and they have never been compensated for their loss. At the same time European Jews that immigrated as a part of the Zionist movement had no claims to Palestine. Not even the British Mandate of Palestine authorized the establishment of a Jewish nation and it expressly prohibited the violations of the civil rights of the Palestinians which the Zionists completely ignored. Historical facts are contrary to Zionist propaganda.
Another false statement. The British, at the end of WW I, had "adminstrative authority" but Palestine never belonged to the British. Under the League of Nations Britian was mandated with the responsibility to assist the Palestinian People in establishing their own government and their own sovereign nation. Once again Zionist propaganda is contradicted by the actual historical facts.
