Its really pathetic that some Jews claim that no people lived in Palestine. The 1870 census proves otherwise. Honest Jews and scholars know the Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who didn't leave....
In recent history the area called Palestine includes the territories of present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I. In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine. The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians". It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion. Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel. Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, is not a "Palestinian". He was born in Egypt. The famous "Palestinian covenant" states that Palestinians are "an integral part of the Arab nation" -- a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).
Samaria was settled by 4 Arab tribes in 700 BC so Arabs have always been in Palestine. Moses and Abraham both had Arab wives. Palestine culture is not identical to the rest of the Arab world.. and you'd know that if you'd been anywhere else in the Arab world. Arafat was probably born in Jerusalem and his birth was registered in Gaza because Egypt administered the whole area for so long.
There was no Arabs as you know today at the time of Moses and Abraham. "Arabs" in ancient times was a nickname to nomads. Arabs as we know today settled in Arabia till the Arab conquest in the 7th century. There is no "Palestinian culture", because there is no such thing "Palestinains". "Palestinains" was the name of the total population that lived in the Land of Israel until 1948. My grandfather was also a "Palestinian", does it mean that I also a "Palestinian"? According to the Arab logic, I'm. According to the French biographers, Christophe Boltanski and Jihan El-Tahri, Arafat was borned in Cairo, Egypt.
Arafat was born in Jerusalem.. His father was from Cairo and was basically a traveling salesman. Arabs have been in Palestine since the end of the Babylonian exile according to scripture.. and the notion that all Arabs were Bedouin in simply ignorant. Of course there is a Palestinian culture. I spent 6 weeks in Palestine and lived in the Middle East for nearly two decades.
That's what Arafat said, but according to where his birth certificate was registered at, then we will see that it was in Cairo. The Arabs as we know the, today came in the Arab conquest in the 7th century. The Arabs before that were barbaric tribes that settled in Arabia, worshiped stones and trees and buried their daughters alive. So you lived 20 years in the Land of Israel and...? I live here my entire life and....? It still does not an evidence for a "Palestinian culture".
Do you remember what it was like before the '67 war? I do.. and it was not like Libya, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait where I lived. Who do you think planted all those ancient olive trees and maintained the Roman terraces? It wasn't European Jews. If the Palestinians were all nomads, why did Israel loot and level over 300 Arab villages? Read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin Tudlea.
and...? The olive trees in the Land of Israel werent planted by anyone, it grew naturally. Olive trees were wild trees until the prehistoric men domesticated them. The things that happened in the Independence War has nothing to do with the existance of the "Palestinians". Moreover that Israel did evecuated Arabs from their houses, but not in the magnitude that everyone thinks. Alot of the Arabs were evecuted themselves after the Arab countries urged them to leave their houses. It started before the 1948 war started. I read plenty dont worry.
You clearly do not understand the principle of self determination, the people who have lived in the area for hundreds of years have the right to decide what they wish to be called and who they should be governed by. Those colonists, occupiers and settlers should return to Eastern Europe where most of them come from and leave the original people's in peace. It was because of the refusal of the Zionists to recognise the right of self determination of the indigenous population that led to the British being unable to action the mandate and the unilateral Declaration of Independence by the Zionist's and the majority only created by murder and ethnic cleansing. The Zionists should give back the land the took by force or stole.
Also: When the Israelis entered the West Bank in 1967, they invaded Jordan. The Palestinians in the West bank were Jordanian citizens and had full representation in the Jordanian government. Jordan gave up claim on the West Bank in 1988; Jordan recognized its border with Israel as the east edge of the West Bank in 1991. - - - Updated - - - Indeed - this is the right of a civilized people. When they behave as such, these rights may be recognized.
According to Article 2 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which there states what is "occupation", we will see that it states that occupued territories is when occupation of territory belonging to 'another High COntracting party', and Jordan cannot show any such title to the West Bank, as Prof. Stone clerified: This claim was also got rainforcement from Lauterpacht, whic was a judge in the ICJ, as he stated: Therefore, Israel didnt took this territory from no other country. Source: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/media/user/documents/Eli Hertz Reply 4-21-05D.pdf
No, it stole the land from real people, with farms and homes and real lives. Stop your excuses and banal apologetics.
They were very civilised people until a bunch of eastern European land thieves stole their land. It is hilarious, the burglar saying "ask nicely and we might give you what is yours back!" Such arrogance will have a price.
Its not excuse or banal apology, but it is what an international convention regarding occupation says. Are you saying that the Fourth Geneva Convention is a Zionist/Israeli/whatever excuse?
The West Bank became part of Jordan in 1950; from that point, there could be no "occupation" of the WB by Jordan. Fact on the ground trump anything said by anyone in your sources. - - - Updated - - - Heh. Specifically, which people are those, and when did Israel "steal" their land?
Have you ever been to Jordan or the West Bank? Looks like you have been getting your information from a site called "MEFacts" which is very biased.
The Jordanian control over the West Bank until 1967 was illegaly, as former judge of the ICJ said + Prof. Stone, as I showed you earlier. It's fact on the ground. My sources are inetrnatioal law experts and a former judge of the ICJ.
Specifically those people who decided they could not live with their neighbours and left Europe in order to colonise another's land. You can find the figures yourself. This nationalist project for a people without a nation was called Zionism.
The 1947 UN partition plan called for the Arab state to consist of several parts, the largest of which was described as "the hill country of Samaria ...
