Judge orders Trump accounting firm to hand over records to Congress

Sorry, missed the 't

 

So Chinese folks object to a criminal in the WH but otherwise, not so much? Why is it all about nationalities and races for the right?

 

You assume too much. I didn't say anyone was a criminal. Your accusations are bullshit.

Regarding the WH, there is a PILE of evidence that Trump and his family could very have committed obstruction of justice and money laundering which could have compromised him with Russia, but you want all investigations to stop and not find out whether you have a criminal in the WH or not. You don't care! You don't object to a criminal being in the WH! .... which is what I said in post 38. ...--or is it just that the suspect is a right winger?

 

Do we have any proof, beyond speculation that he violated said laws though? This is one of the reasons why FISA-gate is mysterious: A suspicion, a speculation is not in of itself warranting of an investigation. Otherwise, we're all under constant investigation 24/7. You need to satisfy some burden of proof that there's at least *reason* to the suspicion. Some sort of physical evidence.

Especially when it involves the President of the United States. What happens if we uncover nothing? What happens if a perjurer like Michael Cohen....*gasp* lied?

Will they throw the book more at Cohen? Oh I'm sure, but the damage to Trump(which this court wishwashed away) will already have been done. And the Court subscribes no real remedy for the injury.

 

Not in the case of a president. You know.... -oversight? The situation can't be compared to law and crimes in the public sector.

 

And that's how you get a dictator.

 

The Republican Party will remember this line of thinking with a Democratic President. Fair or not, it's gonna be game on from now on. Which we can justify by saying we're learning about corruption, but no one is going to want to be president(that's not already inside the beltway.) or in the words of one of the interviewees Caputo: "Damn you to hell"

The true result of this, is that even though we know government's corrupt, no reformer is going to ever want to go anywhere near Washington. This was usually the case anyway, but resistance has put the final nail in the coffin.

 

And he isn't below the law. I hope he fights this harassment to the SCOTUS.

 

You prefer an imperial congress?

 

...they obtained a court order for the firm to turn over documents, the firm was sued by trump to prevent them from complying with that subpoena.

There are at least two points in that sentence where the courts were ALREADY involved.

 

Oh calm down. If you have been paying attention to real news (and I think there is a much better chance you have as compared to some) you know that the Mueller report found evidence of crimes to be investigated and pursued by courts. All that is, in itself, grounds for impeachment, which is, itself, begun by in-depth investigation. Impeachment is not removal from office. That may be the end result, but impeachment entails investigation, although greater cause is required than for the more common Congressional investigations.

 

No but congress has oversight authority, and it’s not based on proof of a crime. Didn’t you say they can’t invesigate crimes anyway? Lol

 

Trump can continue his recalcitrance to his own demise.

Impeachment may begin in the House next spring, in order to show the recalcitrant criminality of the President to the electorate during the midst of the election season. Also, his behavior could be criminal and used for indictment in federal courts after his defeat.

 

Lol I don’t even know what that means. It’s like asking if I prefer dry water

 

Why wait?

 

Well the second doesnt happen unless the first does...

And I fail to see why a court order was signed off on to turn over documents in the first place. Again, no law was broken, is it just normal to run to the court system every time you want something?

 

I said that they shouldn't(and functionally as a legislative branch I feel as though they can't). Why do we have an FBI, CIA, etc? Why do we have an IRS? It becomes readily apparent that Congress when it wishes to can take these responsibilities, so clearly there isn't a need for these organizations.

 

Then Mueller should have filed a sealed indictment and begun the proceedings. Instead, he pussied out. For reasons only he knows, and I suspect it'll be difficult to get it out of him. And this time, not due to anything Trump did but it's the essence of Mueller's character.

 

You don’t think any of THOSE agencies can investigate the president either! Lol
You want a system where no president can be subjected to any form of oversight!

 

He left it up to congress, so they’re proceeding. How many times do you need this explained? You act like it’s some big mystery.

 

No, Mueller did not have the authority to file a sealed indictment.

Waiting for a completely Democratic administration in 2021 give DOJ the opportunity to indict and try the former President Trump without any interference from the Republicans.

 

...how do you know that a law was not broken?

Hell, the reason for the subpoena was because Trump's personal and long-time attorney testified, under oath, a crime DID occur.

 

AmericanNationalist has told us exactly why he thinks the President should be unaccountable to Congress.

 

Amazing you want the lying Cohen to rinse and repeat. I think his plan is to get out of jail to testify again. Old slick Cohen is not finished lying.

 

Cohen is as much and no more a liar than Trump.

Trump's attorney is far from done.