Judicial Watch: Justice Department Discloses No FISA Court Hearings Held on Carter Page Warrants

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  1. Bisquit

    Bisquit Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
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    Non sequitur strawman ............reach.
     
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    Clearly a court that grants a warrant 99.97% of the time needs to be changed and rethought out. Even your own mother wouldn't
    say yes to you virtually every single time you ask!

    By the way, after re-reading the OP I believe the problem is not that FISA
    wouldn't grant input from Trump administration people, but that the FISA court, famous for rubber stamping virtually every application they got, took everything handed to it at face value and made absolutely no effort or took no time in evaluating what they were handed and told by people like James Comey and his FBI henchmen.

    Incredibly lazy? As inquisitive as a box of rocks? Credulous to such an amazing degree that the FISA court simply pointed to a box
    of presigned warrants and told Comey and crew to take some home in case they needed another warrant at some future point?

    Yes. That's how it all seems.
    And that hearing no one got was FISA's chance to actually do some work and ascertain that the FBI was asking for a warrant in good faith and with justification (which they of course weren't).

    Does it all make sense now?
     
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  4. The Mello Guy

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    Who from the trump campaign was listened to?
     
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    If everything was verified then they’d just arrest their suspect. You think thy had to prove John gotti was a killer to spy on him? What do you think the point of a warrant is?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Why do you want to make it harder to catch criminals?
     
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    A lot of us feel that way, but for some strange reason President don't.

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    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16878220/house-vote-surveillance-spying-fisa
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very good. Now, the IRS is also entrusted with just as important task, keeping out government afloat. Should they be automatically trusted with everything they do?

    We know, it’s not the case.

    The FBI has been corrupted by Obama.
     
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    Submitting a warrant to a judge is hardly blind trust
     
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    I doubt making the FISA court do their job makes it more difficult to catch criminals. The court exists so real matters of national security can be
    addressed. And as we see with Carter Page, the court was abused
    purely so a cabal of insiders could spy on Trump, though no one asked for a wire tap on him personally.

    The FBI willingly and knowingly abused the system. Perhaps you don't like
    having the point made.

    As I said, might as well pre sign a bunch of warrants and put them all in a box
    so that whoever walks through the court's doors can have one. That's what the
    end result is anyway.
     
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  11. Bluesguy

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    Surveil is not limited to "listening". Carter Page and perhaps Cohen we don't to what extent they used those warrants. Congress has been trying to find out for months. And then they hide a mole in the campaign. And then create the scenario to seek a special counsel. All based on paid for information the DNC and Clinton Campaign

    And you are just A-OK with it all
     
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    So again the corrupt officials at the FBI and DOJ use a phony dossier to seek a FISA warrant against the current administrations party's opposition, the person they were vowing to never let become President and if by chance use their "insurance policy" to make sure he does not serve. A warrant CLEARLY aimed at the Trump campaign based on information obtained by the DNC and Clinton campaign from a foreign agent they paid who also had a avowed goal of making sure Trump would not be President and the FISA judge did not even hole a hearing, and when they went back again and again never held a hearing to see what progress was being made to justify reauthorizing it and the resident left is just fine with that?
     
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    Oh really the Republican candidate for President based on information supplied by his oppoistion and fed through an administration that had a vested interest in defeating him?

    REALLY? Don't you think that would kinda stand out for further inquiry as to the true nature of the information being supplied and what evidence they had a crime had been committed?

    Don't you find that just a little incredulus? Especially when two years late and not a shred of evidence to support any collusion with Russians except by the Clinton campaign and the DNC?
     
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    Except they aren’t the same. The party that is being suveilled is not the party doing the surveillance.
     
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    “Specifically, FOIA staff consulted with knowledgeable subject matter experts in the Office of Intelligence. Those experts confirmed that, as is typical in proceedings before the FISC, no hearings were held with respect to the acknowledged Carter Page FISA applications, and thus no responsive transcripts exist.”

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...page-obtained-without-fisa-court-hearings-doj
     
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    Zero evidence anyone spied on trump or that the page warrants were granted improperly
     
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    Well Cohen is an admitted felon, so I fail to see the issue there lol
     
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    Yes quote unbelievable when the current administration and it's political party is going after their opposition through the FISA court using phony dirt paid for by that opposition.
     
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    That is in some doubt if the FISA court granted the FBI's warrant without due diligence, as Judicial Watch has discovered.
     
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    Despite the fact that you have been told many times that the dossier wasn't the basis for the warrant, you continue to whine as though it was.
     
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    For nothing associated with Russian collusion or the Trump campaign tand the entire narrative about his trips to Prauge in the dossier false. Thanks for proving the point.
     
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    Papadopolis
     
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    I am fine with all of it. The warrants were obtained legally, the investigators appear to be doing a heck of a job and now they are starting to clean house. Ohr said he had credible information suggesting that Putin had Trump over a barrel. Ohr was a decades long investigator and expert on the Russian mob. I am sure that he had gotten help from Steele, another long time Russia expert who had worked with US officials in the past. All of the whining and obfuscating being done by Trump and his lackeys is just a smokescreen to protect their crooked Ruskie buddies. It is not going to fly and the crooks will be brought to justice or hide out in Russia instead of being over here meddling with our politicians with their bags of stolen cash. This is truly a great country. Kudos to Bob Mueller, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr and Rod Rosenstein for holding the line against these duplicitious crooks and their US moles like Manafort, Gates and Stone. Lock em all up and throw away the key.
     
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    All they discovered is that this warrant was handled like all the others. Hardly ground breaking lol
     
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