Just Imagine How Different Things Would've Been If Trump Accepted His Defeat With Grace and Dignity

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  1. spiritgide

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    Just imagine how things would have been different if the democrats and left had accepted Trump's victory with grace and dignity in the first place...

    Then maybe you wouldn't be railing about the capitol situation OR the burning, looting, attacks on police stations, policemen, city buildings, private property and national monuments all over the country either- because they wouldn't have happened.

    If we're going to place blame-
    How about we start at the beginning and address the people who really have caused all this crap??
    How about we actually and thoroughly investigate the obvious electoral fraud that perpetrated the capitol demonstration?

    How about we ask why Parler got turned off- and we find out this affidavit of electoral fraud against Trump was the motivation?

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    And yet sadly inadmissible as evidence in the most open court system in the world where you could sue for a poodle peeing on your shoe.

    :clapping::clapping::clapping:

    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    That any of the evidence in the Navarro reports is "inadmissible in court" is, until someone attempts to introduce it as part of a case-in-chief, a lie with no refutation possible. Why not be honest? Do you think that spamming smilicons somehow turns your false claim true? Maybe in kindergarten, not here.
     
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    Keep laughing, you will find the jokes on you.

    I just posted a new thread with an affidavit sworn in a court as to how the voting fraud was implemented. (See "Why was Parler taken out?")

    And of course, you will have Joe Biden to convince you that you have been herded to the slaughter house blindly and voluntarily. Just watch it happen, you will get the kind of proof you can't deny..
     
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    The question is problematic. In essence you are saying, "if Trump wasn't Trump, imagine....."

    And what would be the point of imagining if Trump were not who he is?

    See, if Trump went out with grace and class, he would have entered with grace and class, and all the chaos and contempt that he draws wouldn't be there, either. Because, if you lack grace and class, you lack a lot of other things, like being organized, being strategic, being more like how a statesman, a real statesman would operate, and what his base liked about him would no longer be there, such as his shoot-from-the-hip freewheeling style. If he were someone else, he wouldn't have appealed to the base that elected him, he'd be just another Jeb or Bush or Kasich.
     
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    Just imagine how different things would be if the courts had done their jobs and at least pretended to care about credible allegations of irregularities.
     
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    My opinion is a bit more visceral at this point. I consider Trump to be an insurrectionist and a seditionist and I consider those that still support him to be guilty of these crimes as well. I have no reason to debate politics here with criminals.
     
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    I don’t know. On another platform, a single post occasionally garners me several times more likes than all the likes I have ever received here in ever how many years I have been posting here.
     
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    An Italian court? Do you know how much authority an Italian court has in the United States?
     
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    I can imagine things going differently. I just can't imagine Trump Accepting His Defeat With Grace and Dignity.
     
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    So you have no trust in the courts? Even Trump-appointed judges rejected his claims. Are they "in on it" too?

    60 lawsuits thrown out of court!!! Can you even still in your mind fathom that you just may have been wrong all along?
     
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    Did you read? Apparently not.
    The party making the affidavit is addressing things that happened with US Embassy and military systems and personal, using US cyber warfare software to alter American electoral results.

    That makes this statement highly relevant. It appears he was employed there or with a company connected there. The action in the Italian court applies to an individual found to be placing virus and malware in the systems of a related company in Italy. The fact it was an Italian court is not really relevant, the fact that this sworn statement was a court document that directly spoke to American election fraud is. You can bet that right now, there are Americans seeking to obtain copies of the proof this person said he has, and interviewing him in regards to details.

    I'd bet if you walked through a burned forest, you would be arguing against there wasn't a fire, because you didn't see any fire.

    A very large number of Americans have no doubt there has been election fraud- and while hard legal proof has not yet been found, the things that only fraud could explain make up a long and convincing list, sort of like the burned trees that would not be burned if a fire was not present.
    IF there was no fraud, then sufficient and thorough investigation needs to eliminate the doubt by adequately explaining all those things. Not a superficial one- an in-depth audit of everything.
    Otherwise, you have a substantial part of the American voters who know they cannot trust the electoral system- and that is very, very dangerous.

    Secondly- if there was fraud, we have a political coup and an illegal president and his illegal administration going into office. We have a political party that will never be trustworthy or relevant again.
    Maybe you have no problem with such a condition, but if the facts prove fraud- a lot of people are going to demanding prosecution for treason against a lot of people, and a wide variety of the most serious crimes in our history with the most dire punishments. Anyone connected with sup[porting that who is not prosecuted by government would find themselves prosecuted by society- and unwelcome anywhere.
    You should give that consequence some serious consideration, it is indeed a possibility.

    The person sworn indicated that the fraud was committed with the use of our military's cyber warfare. If anybody wanted to commit such a fraud without leaving a trail of proof,that would be exactly what they would use to do it, if they had access- and that would narrow the field dramatically.
    That begs the next question- who would be in position to have the contacts, know the people on the inside who could have access, would have the experience, the influence and and have the kind of character void, the motives, arrogance and brass to do something so outrageous?
    Think on that. Connect the dots. I already have a very good candidate for that position; actually seems pretty obvious.
     
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    Imagine how different things would be if Biden admitted he raped the Reade woman, and admitted he took crooked money along with his crooked son Hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Why should he?
    China messed with 2020 election.
     
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    Someone had backstage recordings from the Apprentice, I wonder if they will surface.

    I wonder if whoever had them had released them that Trump wouldn't have ever become president, though much of the dirt on him didn't seem to affect his fans.
     
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    Jesus, why aren't people listening to me?

    China messed with the 2020 election.
     
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    Should be obvious by now.
     
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    So, you are basing this on the Navarro report, eh? Man, I feel sorry for you if you fall for crap so obviously bogus.

    Every thing Navarro has offered in his 'Immaculate Deception" has been debunked, and if anyone is trying to deceive anyone, it's Navarro who has deceived you, not to mention his deception can hardly be characterized as immaculate.

    That you would fall for this type of trash says a lot about your credibility.

    Navarro’s “Immaculate Deception” report is just a re-hashing of lawsuits and press conference fodder that judges across the country have laughed out of court.

    Discussing the impact of “fake ballot manufacturing,” for example, Navarro said one of the most “disturbing” instances of the practice came from a contract truck driver for the U.S. Postal Service, who claimed to have transported thousands of ballots from New York to Pennsylvania in October.

    Left unmentioned: the same man moonlights as a ghost hunter and has a lengthy criminal record, and the suit in which his claims were cited was summarily rejected because it was filed more than a month after Election Day.

    Navarro went on to cite security camera footage of elections workers moving around boxes of ballots in Atlanta, which pro-Trump theorists claimed was actually a “smoking gun” of fraud… somehow. The video clip made it to Fox News and the President’s legal team’s court filings, despite showing the normal processing of votes.

    I watched that video, and for the life of me, I don't know how anyone can extrapolate 'fraud' from what is probably normal activity, which is to say, what is so damn suspicious about it? What evidence is there that makes it suspicous? Are you guys aware of how those ballots are processed, every little detail on the overall process? What about getting some feedback from the people that are there, maybe they can explain that what is going on is just innocent stuff, and here you guys are, getting 'suspicious' and you don't have one damn good reason to be suspicious, y'all remind me of a bunch of gossiping old ladies.

    Moving on....

    Navarro acknowledged that Republican elections officials have insisted the video shows nothing unusual, but then pivoted back to “just-asking-questions” mode: The video tape itself, he wrote, “has contributed to the current climate of skepticism surrounding the fairness and integrity of the election.”

    Elsewhere, Navarro played a shell game to hide the fact that there was no evidence to support his claims.

    For example, he described one episode of shady “ballot harvesting” as such: “25,000 ballots were requested from nursing home residents in Pennsylvania at the same time.”

    He sourced the claim to an article that quoted Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who asserted in a Nov. 10 interview that “potentially” 25,000 nursing home residents had requested ballots at one time. Not only is that not a crime in itself, but as the conservative Washington Examiner noted in the article Navarro cited, “Graham did not present any evidence.”

    Later, Navarro cited “critics” who alleged that the voting machine company Dominion may have “roots” traceable to the dead Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. As evidence, he cited an article pushing the so-called “Hammer and Scorecard” conspiracy theory, which holds among other things that a supercomputer was used to rig the election: “Deep State CIA operators used it in the 2020 elections,” the article Navarro cited claimed, referring to the dubious supercomputer.


    A paragraph later, Navarro misleadingly asserted that an independent consultant had found that the Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, Michigan, had “an astonishing error rate of 68 percent.” The 68% number in the report did not refer to ballot tabulation errors but rather vaguely-defined “configuration errors.” The consultant, Russ Ramsland, had no access to ballots.

    That error rate violated the guidelines established by the “Federal Election Committee,” Navarro claimed — even though no such body exists. The closest thing, the Federal Election Commission, is a campaign finance regulator.

    Despite the luxury of time and hindsight, Navarro even made some of the same mistakes as previous “election irregularities” evangelists. For example, Navarro noted that according to Ramsland, 25 out of the 47 precincts in Wayne County, Michigan displayed greater than 100% voter turnout.


    He failed to mention that not only were Ramsland’s numbers wrong, so was his geography: The precincts listed in the affidavit Navarro cited are in Minnesota, not Michigan — an embarrassing error that’s been part of the public record for nearly a month.

    And so on and so on, for 30 pages, not including endnotes. Navarro’s report does not offer any new information in Trump’s favor, so much as it compiles a compendium of cranks upset at the President’s loss, frantically searching for acceptable answers.


    Source: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...on-report-rehashing-debunked-trump-complaints

     
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    Watch it you woke bastards.

    Biden shouldn't have won.
     
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    No, I won't waste my time viewing an unsourced video. This video is targeted at Trump supporters, and it is blatantly obvious.

    It's really sad that you have to search the web to confirm your biases, but you won't bother with legitimate news because it doesn't fit with your "feelings".
     
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    It was only finger rape. I think that's allowed? I dunno it's all so bugaboo any more.
     
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    Trump's inauguration opening:

    Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent.
     

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