Justices Ginsburg, Thomas trade barbs in Supreme Court ruling on state abortion matter

We could end up with a 7-3 Court to overturn Roe and have 70% of the women voting for the "other guy."

"A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it."

 

Abortion was still legal in many places before Roe v. Wade.

The only thing we would be going back to is letting the states decide.

 

Totally moronic claim. There is no such thing as a "post-birth" abortion. If the fetus is not viable or terminal at birth, it is allowed to die naturally - no extraordinary measures to keep it alive. That's NOT abortion. It's a natural death. Happens thousands of times every day in this country. I know it's fun for you to think doctors just stand around in hockey masks with chain saws waiting to hack up live babies outside the womb, but that's your deficit - not reality.

 

And we would be right back to what the Supreme Court Justices ruled against - laws that ONLY apply to poor women. Women of means will simply take a "vacation" outside of the state. Operation Jane will kick back in and pro-choice activists will pay to bus women outside the state to clinics. The anti-abortion laws will fail, just like they did the last time it was tried - and that was back in the days when the entire country was more conservative than it is now.

EVERY dime wasted on anti-abortion laws that history has PROVEN do NOT work, could have been spent on enlarging hospital care for poor pregnant woman to save babies that are wanted by the mothers.

 

Many states had legal abortion back then.

A bus ride probably costs a nickel and sorry, but if you don't want to use birth control then taking a bus ride is a minor inconvenience for you.

You know that California or NY will not end abortions.

Many other liberal places won't either.

 

Again, I just practice medicine.

Dems block 'born alive' bill to provide medical care to infants who survive failed abortions
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/se...protect-infants-who-survive-a-failed-abortion

 

Sure you do ...

 

Which just makes anti-abortion laws applicable only to the very poor or mentally ill. Everyone else will just take a "vacation" out of state.

Do you get some kind of thrill FORCING raped women to undergo invasive pelvic exams and court battles to prove they were raped? It FORCES women who are afraid for their lives to come forward and charge someone with rape. And if they can't make up their minds immediately to do so - they literally wash away most of the evidence that might prove the rape. It FORCES a 16 year old rape victim to stand up in front of the entire community and claim rape just to get rid of her rapist's fetus. It's basically raping her a second time.

Anti-abortion laws DID NOT WORK the first time they were tried - and that was in a far more conservative US than what we have today. Let's stop wasting money on anti-abortion laws and use that money to save wanted infants. We need more incubators in hospital maternity wards. We need more well-baby clinics. We need more support for poor mothers. We need to reduce the fear and apprehension of mothers so that they don't feel backed into a corner and choose abortion.

 

And drugs to terminate pregnancies are legally approved as over the counter by the FDA.

 

It is not really about abortion. It is about control, and Thomas is very clear in saying he believes it's a God thing than humans are messing with.

 

The issue you have is no one can determine or agree upon when life begins.

Is it immediately after conception?
After the fetus is viable outside the womb?
Somewhere in between: heartbeat, brain activity, synapse development phase?

 

Yeh that also. I never thought about it that way. It will be interesting to see if states are able to prosecute their citizens for going and getting an abortion in another state.

For the states that are banning it. Do you believe the state should have some responsibly for the child such as improving their state educational systems and child healthcare? Most of the states pushing these laws typically fall at near the bottom in both categories.

 

It’s going to be tough keeping all the women away from the polls on Election Day. It didn’t work in the 18 elections.

 

Rich old men tell everyone what to do so why are women deserving of the special acknowledgement? Rich men sent how many young men to their deaths??

 

Wouldn't think they'd prosecute their citizens just the businesses that help state citizens circumvent the law. Just my opinion

 

Most definitely they should.

I would even suggest they get perks other kids don't get who have parents.

The entire foster care system should revamped from the ground up.

State sponsored adoption programs with extremely attractive benefits for those that do adopt.

The state should spare no expense when it comes taking care of the unwanted pregnancies.

 

So since women get all this special treatment and apparently they're the only citizens who aren't allowed to be told what to do do you think women should just be above all laws and women should just govern themselves?

 

You should read HB 481.

It would charge women who cross state lines to receive an abortion with conspiracy to commit murder which carries a ten year prison term. Self termination of a pregnancy is life imprisonment to capitol punishment (ie death penalty). Miscarriage deemed to be the fault of the woman is classified as second degree murder or 10 to 30 years in prison.

 

Those are dumb especially if your for pro life. Those are exactly the Draconian measures that lose public support. The way I stated would be the best way to handle it imo. Hit the businesses that transport the citizens not the citizens themselves

 

And for many, it's not about when life begins. It's about when the fetus can sense pain and/or is capable of independent life.

 

Yeah, It's like open borders. Silly righties.

 

So any business that transports a pregnant woman across state lines could be liable? Do you force an 8 week pregnant woman who goes to Europe and comes back no longer pregnant to what? Undergo an invasive pelvic exam? Do you realize over 50% of fertilized eggs never make it past the first two months? You going to charge the airline with murder? Does the state now have the right to prevent any pregnant woman from crossing the state line? Does every woman have to get a pregnancy test to leave the state?

The Supreme Court struck down anti-abortion laws because the are impossible to enforce in any kind of equitable manner. And they were right. Anti-abortion laws do not work. We have decades of American history that prove it.

 

Kudo's for pointing that out.

For the last 2 decades, I've watched clueless women who did not know this.

And when you inform them, they don't believe you.

There are probably a lot of "democrats" who vote that way, both terrified and ignorant.

 

Many late 2nd and 3rd trimester babies are capable of independent life.

Some dems would kill them AFTER they are born.

Plus those that would kill the baby girls, as they are the victim of gender specific abortion.

 

Oh well. Humans "mess with" things all of the time.

It's a "Human Thing".