Kansas voters block effort to ban abortion in state constitutional amendment vote

Hmm you really should read up on your own country's abortion policy. American women have it easy in America compared to ole aussy land. If anyone wants to check Bowerbird's post for accuracy, here you go.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ion-laws-australia-is-it-legal-illegal-rights

Some highlights
But they said that while abortion has been mostly decriminalised, non-legal barriers remain for women across the country.

Cost, geography and “residual stigma” can make it harder for those living outside cities, people on temporary work visas and other vulnerable groups.

Western Australia is the only state or territory where abortion remains under the criminal code. With South Australia as the most recent to decriminalise abortions, with the changes starting on 7 July.

Across Australia, medical abortions are available until nine weeks’ gestation (with SA restrictions to lift on 7 July). A medical abortion uses mifepristone to end the pregnancy and misoprostol to expel it. These must be prescribed by a doctor and are taken orally in the form of pills.

Corbin said while abortion has largely been decriminalised, some aspects of it remain in criminal law.

 

Both are undeveloped. Big difference between a baby and an adult too.

 

This is what I am telling you - the laws, like in England, are useless. Qld recently changed its abortion act because the one we HAD dated back to the 1800s. Abortion legislation is one of two types - exceptions and no exceptions. Bills with exceptions are useless. “life and health of the mother” is so broad that you can claim she is feeling depressed as a justification. The “no exceptions” legislation has led, throughout the world, to rising maternal mortality


Look at the stats between our countries and do the math. Remembering that Australia has vast areas of desert with remote communities and we STILL manage to keep maternal mortality down

 

Yes there is - do babies have all the same legal rights as adults?

 

LOL your laws are useless, the ladies in this article are lying. Ok Bowerbird. Carry on about America all the while defending the women's rights tragedy in Aussyland.

 

Imagine thinking you are on the right side of things by believing others should have a say in what basic rights others have.

We will just have to agree to disagree

 

The first picture is a elephant fetus

 

“And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.” They were wrong. Didn’t know about the apology. Thanks for the information.

I agree, Bible verses are often taken out of context. True. Don’t know what verses they may be using to come to that conclusion.

Read Exodus 21: 22-24 see what you think about those verses.

 

Depends on what society decides. If most people value newborn babies over the wants, needs and whims of the parents...then they are seen as holding legal rights..

If society starts devaluing newborns and prioritize the wants needs and whims of the parents...then they can easily be categorized as non-sentient and non persons and disposable.

Either way... human offspring if killed as a fetus or killed as a newborn is still a dead individual human life.

 

I am not upset in the slightest. I have an easy exit if the nation dissolves into what the far right is pushing.

That said, Is a republic a form of a democracy

I don’t think people realize how out of touch they sound when they get upset about people discussing principles of a democracy.

 

Oh so you get to make vapid assumptions but no one else does? Funny how that works.

I respond in kind 100% — if you want a fact based logical discussion with us both supplying sources I can match that.

If you want to act like a fool slinging assumptions I can match that too.

If you take issue with my posts then you should take issue with your own.

 

Technically, you have to read all of Exodus 21 to get a full understanding. This chapter basically lays down the law for Jews for certain offenses and the punishment. Specifically, verses 22-25 does not talk about abortion, but does talk about if two people are fighting and one or both hit a pregnant woman, and gave birth prematurely, then the fine is whatever is demanded by the woman's husband. And if there is serious injury, we get the phrase "an eye for an eye." That's it.

What Apologetics does is interpret the verses as life, but they kinda ignore verses 23-25 altogether, among other things.

 

As I said - the laws are useless. Wa is about to rewrite them and in the meantime we have one third the maternal mortality rate you do

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/worsening-u-s-maternal-health-crisis-three-graphs/?agreed=1

Do you know WHY awe have a lower maternal mortality rate? One reason is this
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/qcg/publications

Costing the Qld Govt millions they are evidence based guidelines for care for women and neonates. Based on “Best research” they are available to everyone across the world

 

Thanks for the link. I have read this before.

 

Really ? They can drive a car? Drink alcohol? And your kids - do they have the right to completely free speech inside your house?

 

They weren't you say?

Start with Jefferson Davis

 

Cost, geography to some extent, and to a greater extent "residual stigma" occurs here in the US, and thus are barriers too I guess. Furthermore here, the United States, contraceptives are starting to be denied based on "religious freedom." We have laws, like in Texas, the infamous "Heartbeat Bill" that practically bans abortion no matter what the circumstances are, not even in the life of the mother. We had a story where a woman carried her deceased fetus for two weeks because in her state, it would have been illegal, and could face the possibility of being charged criminally. And then the AM conservative talk radio and talk shows that elaborate the whole issue with words like "infanticide."

Easier here? Hogwash. More like throwing several monkey wrenches into the engine hoping the engine will not break type of environment.

 

New born babies have the legal right to life. At this time... that could change.

Babies still in gestation are devalued by being called --nonbabies and are killed at whim.

Same human being -- different stages of development.
One stage is more cuddly then the other. One stage is more cute the then the other.

That is how society can decide who has legal right to life.

 

That's not my opinion. Before Roe v Wade was opinioned, we had the Comstock Act, which prohibited the distribution of contraceptives and abortion-inducing pills or medicine. Many states, like Texas, passed laws that made abortion illegal, even criminal in some cases. And that is why Roe v Wade was filed, first in state court and then in federal court, all the way up to the Supreme Court. All of this was going on during the Woman's lib movement of the 1960s and 70s. This is fact, not opinion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...harts-how-roe-v-wade-changed-abortion-rights/

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-...bortion-in-the-us-before-and-after-roe-v-wade

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/03/lessons-roe-will-past-be-prologue

 

Thanks mate, I doubt some have actually looked at a map of WA. That state is more than a third of the continent and you have Perth in the south west and just about nothing else as far as even moderate sized towns for the rest of the state

 

Yeah I suppose it is hard to “cuddle” this

 

I would not call it a whim as you say. Any decision for an abortion is a difficult one, which probably you cannot fathom on doing. A similar example would be to cut off your arm to save your life without anethesia or not. The difficult decision there too.

Of the women who decide to get an abortion here in the US, a plurality of them are young, uneducated, or have basic education like a GED or high school diploma, have or had a boyfriend who now says it is not their child or are threatening to leave if she has the baby, and so forth. They have very little to no family support and will do almost anything for the love of that boy. Does she want the baby? Maybe, but at what cost? If she could give up the baby for adoption, she may feel like abandoning her baby when the baby needs her the most.

In a lot of other countries like China or the Philippines, abortion is more viewed as an economic choice. If the parents cannot afford to take care of the baby because of the current financial circumstances, then they may seek an abortion there.

 

It is. But if I had had killed my son while he was a zygote....he would have been dead. It's that simple
.
Its easier to kill a zygote, an elderly person, a disabled person. But should we kill them because it's easier?

 

Western Australia from Quickley Down Under to the Crocodile Dundee franchise that most people would have said "Where is this again?"

Anyway, an interesting place there with sparce population to desert heats, little water in most places, etc. Yeah, I still remember by geography lessons from 6th grade LOL.

 

Alwayssa....the reason I am so prolife is because I considered abortion when unexpected became pregnant. It's hard and life changing to become unexpectedly pregnant.

It was after my son was born with his gusto personality, blond hair and ...quite cuddly...that I realized I could have killed him.

I think we need to be honest. If you don't want to deal with raising the child or you don't want the financial hardships and you don't want to deal with adoption....and you have an abortion ...then you alleviated your problem by killing your child....