Keystone Pipeline suing Biden admin for $15B in damages

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seldom is that a problem. I have seen fuel leaks in automotive engines. Do we ban cars due to the fuel leaks?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did Biden campaign on undoing Trump’s overreach or appeasing far left environmentalists? Don’t forget that Obama once said all the oil companies had to be put out of business, Biden is just Obama 2.0.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Planes leak. Cruise ships leak. Worst of all, old people leak.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me clarify what Trump did. Recall that the Keystone pipeline under Obama was totally approved by all agencies. Obama pulled the EO trick to stop it. Trump fixed that problem.

    By Timothy Gardner, Eric Beech

    3 MIN READ

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday signed a new permission for TransCanada Corp to build the long-delayed Keystone pipeline for imports of Canadian oil, replacing his previous permits in a fresh attempt to get around the blocking of the $8 billion project by a court in Montana.

    In granting the permission in an executive order, Trump revoked a previous permit for the pipeline issued in March 2017 and an executive order approving the project he issued two days after taking office in January that year.

    It was not immediately clear whether under the new approval the pipeline, which would carry 800,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada’s oil sands to refineries along the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, would have to undergo extensive new environmental reviews.

    The Keystone XL pipeline has been pending for more than a decade after environmental reviews and after former President Barack Obama rejected the project saying it would do little to benefit U.S. motorists and would contribute to global warming.


    Friday’s permission was the latest move in the Trump administration’s pursuit of what it calls “energy dominance,” or maximizing production of oil, gas and coal for domestic use and exports to allies and trading partners. The administration has rolled back environmental regulations on emissions from power plants and vehicles and opened up federal lands to drilling and mining.

    Russ Girling, TransCanada’s president and chief executive officer, said in a release that Trump “has been clear that he wants to create jobs and advance U.S. energy security and the Keystone XL pipeline does both of those things.”

    The pipeline faced numerous legal hurdles after several environmental groups sued the U.S. government over the 2017 presidential permit, and Keystone has been held up in the courts, most recently in Montana.


    Judge Brian Morris of the U.S. District Court for Montana blocked construction of the pipeline in November last year.

    Morris wrote in his ruling that a U.S. State Department environmental analysis “fell short of a ‘hard look’” at the cumulative effects of greenhouse gas emissions and the impact on Native American land resources.

    The head of the Sierra Club green group said Trump was trying to bypass “bedrock” environmental laws for the benefit of a foreign pipeline company. “We will continue to pursue every available avenue to ensure that this pipeline is never built,” said Michael Brune, the club’s executive director.

    Analysts at ClearView Energy Partners said in a note that Trump’s new permit might end delays related to further environmental review called for by the court, but that the project still faces hurdles in states it goes through including multiple water quality permits in South Dakota.

    Reporting by Eric Beech and Timothy Gardner in Washington and Nia Williams in Calgary; editing by Marguerita Choy and James Dalgleish

    Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

    And guess what? That pipeline is operational and doing just fine.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ng-delayed-keystone-xl-pipeline-idUSKCN1RA2DG
     
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    yep, like I said, that is the issue with EO, Congress should handle this

    Trump undid Obama EO's, Biden undid Trump EO's
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would not make a guess, but when we preflight the airplane, we sample the fuel. We dump that fuel on the tarmac. Millions of flights begin sampling the fuel. It is called best practice.
     
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    Environmental concerns remain with ANY solution. Pipelines are the most environmentally friendly solutions known to man for the transport of oil and gas. The alternatives are not so friendly in comparison.

    If we can refine it in the U.S., create jobs, make $, and sell it with Canada to China... let's do it and improve the trade imbalance.
     
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    should be left to Congress

    Trump undid Obama EO's, Biden will undo Trump EO's, the next President will undo Biden EO's
     
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    We do not need congress for the pipelines. And why is that? We have a system where agencies approve those pipelines. Obama used his EO and all Trump did was cure that problem.
     
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    sure we do, this is an international pipeline, bringing in foreign oil
     
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    What is wrong with using the actual system we have for permits and do it that way? Congress set up the system.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congress set up the system to permit any of those. Done deal.
     
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    Even without Keystone XL, U.S. set for record Canadian oil ...
    https://www.reuters.com › us-usa-biden-keystone-oil


    Jan 22, 2021 — The Keystone XL pipeline project may be dead, but the United States is ... of Canadian oil in coming years through other pipelines that are in the midst of expanding. ... FILE PHOTO: A depot used to store pipes for Transcanada Corp's ... bpd to the United States, according to U.S. Energy Department data.
     
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    Obviously not
     
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    so we do not need the pipeline, no need to kill the jobs of thousands of truckers
     
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    stop it, you’re stealing her youth.

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not know about the right or the left but eminent domain is a very old law in the USA.

    Like 99 percent of Democrats laws, one party is harmed by Government. The party however is not having it stolen, it is paid for per law.
     
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    yep, do republicans support the government taking people property against their will now?
     
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    this is why I call BS on the lefts care of the environment. Most of them don’t even recycle or carpool or do anything but complain
     
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    I do not need it. I do not know about you. Truckers and rail workers are not stopped by Biden.

    Correction edit. Truckers carrying pipes to jobs were harmed by Biden. Truckers carrying the equipment for the pumps were harmed by Biden. Truckers do a lot for America and Biden gave them the middle finger.
     
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    yep, I support our Truckers, thanks Biden
     
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    I studied imminent domain laws in college and in other schools.
    I do not speak for republicans or for democrats. When I studied the law I was a Democrat. I am very well versed in all sides of this issue.

    The way the law works on Real Property is this way.
    Contested values are solved by a court appointed Appraiser.
    The judge makes the decision.
    The party having the property sold from beneath him is paid in full.

    Take those highways Biden wants to build.
     
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    I have no problem with it at all. Biden has more plans for you to follow. Hook line and sinker.

    By the way, those pipes used were hauled by Truckers. The equipment to dig the trenches carried by Truckers. The pumps and other equipment hauled by Truckers. Biden harmed those truckers.
     
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    Why are you incapable of answering such a simple question? Which jobs are permanent according to the president?
     

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