Kyiv:F-16s delivered to UAF will be equipped with long range missiles.

You aren't getting it. The era of fighter jets is kind of ending. Drones cost $50K while fighter jets cost more than $150M. Do you want a fighter jet or 3000 drones?

We now have $50K drones taking out million dollar fighter jets. This is clearly unsustainable, the economics are completely inverted. The fighters need to take out 3000 drones before they are killed to just break even.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/dro...yes-as-it-downs-ukrainian-su-27-12378972.html

 

The F16s should be able launch the kind of strikes needed to demolish the remaining logistical supply lines into Crimea.
Your post suggests that Ukraine should use them fast and hopefully before Russia finds ways to neutralize them.

 

...I'm not sure...I see them enhancing the fixed wing operations - for example with the dynamic data links the Lightening II has....mate... a flight of them with a drone swarm under their control...that would be an awesome prospect.
I think you have to look at mission sets and what each element brings to the party and how they will exist within an ecosystem. The reason you're seeing drones being reasonably effective in Ukraine is because the overall abilities of both sides is not that sophisticated thus they're are enjoying a certain degree of success and a rapid evolution...

 

I mean, Ukraine keeps their current jets pretty safe and able to take off, so I don't know if F-16s will have more of an issue or not. The Ukrainians will be well aware of the potential issues though. They have had a lot of time to consider and prepare.

 

Drones usually need to catch a jet on the ground to take it out. You're citing a ruZZian claim here about taking out a Su-27 with a drone air-to-air, but nothing they say can be trusted. They lie constantly. Why you would rely on their claims here is beyond me.

They have been losing planes to Ukraine's surface-to-air missile defenses, though. That and air-to-air from more modern Z jets is what Ukraine will have to watch out for, plus Z Lancet drones and such possibly catching their planes on the ground.

Your entire post is Z disinformation meant to discourage western support for Ukraine. Everything you have posted about this topic so far is Z disinformation, in fact.

 

...yeah it's kindda different with them...I mean if you look into the intakes on their aircraft they have these big "FOD Guards" which deploy automatically when the aircraft is on ground/taxying - these are basically barriers which stop an aircraft ingesting crap from the runways thus protecting the compressor blades from erosion and damage. Western aircraft don't have these....also the F-16 is single engine so they have to be pretty careful as its prone to hooving up a lot of stuff....just look at the big mouth it has near the ground!!

The UAF have had to send there aircraft a long way back to protect them and their tactics are basically fly to the front line spunk off ordnance and get out...which is not how to fight the F-16....anyway as you say they're coming so let them figure it out....

 

yeah......likelihood is that he was smacked out of the sky by his own lads....I mean why would you fly an aircraft into an area that was being actively managed by ground to air weapons without having a sophisticated IFF system across combined arms....same with the Russians...most of their losses air losses are from being shot down by their own blokes not UAF

 

Knowing the Ukrainians, they will weld a grill on it and go to town

 

Iranians are fleecing the Z's blind for drones.....

https://x.com/John_A_Ridge/status/1755048238866915622?s=20


I suspect the Ayatollahs are demanding $$US for payment....not worthless rubbles further depleting the Kremlin chimps foreign reserves. That $900K drone can be as much 3-4 million$$$ if not more. That's hiway robbery...and if the Dwarf is paying that steep a price means his own drone production is for $hit.


I also suspect that the Chinos and North Koreans are also financially hosing the desperate Mafiosi....for their hardware.

The Mafiosi is also desperate for a quick Ukraine capitulation before Putlers "election"....and surely before F16s and Mirages show up to cause the Kremlin circus more pain?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ants-them-a-deal-is-possible/?sh=5cd1a845697c

 

There are some people who are saying that China will invade Taiwan this year (to kill off their excess young male population). Unlike the Ukraine, America desperately needs Taiwan for their semiconductors. If America was arming Taiwan with 100s of billions of dollars for defense I could understand that as losing Taiwan would gut us militarily. I do not understand the American interest in Ukraine. I do know if China invades Taiwan, all interest in the Ukraine will be immediately and rightfully lost.
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NOTE: Some people believe that China is on the verge of collapse and revolution. See the attached video. It is very interesting. It makes a compelling argument and has non-zero probability of being correct.






https://www.thirdway.org/memo/three-reasons-why-chips-plus-is-a-big-win-for-us-national-security

 

.........yeah....they kindda make MacGuyver look hamfisted don't they....

 

USD or gold, sure. No one wants rubbles.

 

and lot more that don't....

 

The west really needs to start fielding longer range missiles especially for its older than Gen aircraft. You can keep using those older cheaper non-etealthy aircraft if you arm them with missiles that can go 1000km. That would be a huge stand off distance.

 

I guess I am not interested in how many people believe something, I am much more interested in the reasons that they believe it.

For example, China has 30 million fighting age men who face a future with absolutely no possibility of a woman being part of it. Fighting age men who have no future are a threat to regimes. It is therefor in the regime's interest to remove them. A war would fit the bill for that. That is a rationale I can understand and the literature seems to support it. Without a war, I am perplexed as to how China will keep stability with 30 million fighting age men with no future.

It is extremely eerie to me that the paper below was published in 2009 and appears to predict the exact conditions we are in right now. Chinese military spending is skyrocketed and they just recently got a facility capable of targeting installed in Argentina. Every sign I have seen indicate that they are ramping up for war. Importantly this includes the propaganda they are now spreading internally in their media and in their education system.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781832/

 

Hahahaha! Communist China is all down hill from here.

 

@Durandal ... Hi Mate...FYI here's a quick piccy of a Gripen being turned around off road...fuel/weapons etc....literally in a roadside rest stop

 

Taiwan really should be buying Gripens. Communist China plans to use its missile force to knock out runways to prevent Taiwan's Air Force from using them. Gripens can be launched just about any where

 

I doubt that China is encouraged by Russia's example during its "48 hour war" with Ukraine.

 

Especially if they get bogged down trying to invade a very large heavily fortified island like Taiwan.
Chinese leaders should Google "Okinawa" "Tarawa" ... for how that worked on relatively tiny islands before the age of drones.

 

Good plane, but there may be some issues with the pilots

 

............or is it the other way round....I always get toasted when I nattering about the A-10 as I think it's way way way past it's sell by date and wasn't thaaaaat good to start with........

 

It's still in use to this day because it really is that good. But it does need protection from the kind of anti-air capabilities that the Z horde is fielding in Ukraine. I imagine the Ukrainians will also want to do what they do with helicopters and what I've done with the A-10 in flight simulators, and that is keep it very low to the ground to avoid detection. It's a relatively slow plane, so it's not too unrealistic. As a bonus, it would do very well landing on rough runways, roads, open fields, etc.

 

Zoomie .. The War is over .. Ukraine kaput .. these dreams of F-16s showing up on the battlefield ? the war is near in its 3rd year and they not shown up yet . and when get there be shot out of the sky like drones .. the effect of a few more terrorist attacks an annoyance but no moment to the outcome.

silly nonsense in any case given Biden can't get a Bill past to supply funds to pay the Gov't and send over artillery shells .. never mind provide more wonder weapons.

How much land has Ukraine taken back beyond Russia's defensive lines Zoomer .. Answer "none" .. as is Russia taking more land .. Ukraine now on the defensive .. running real low on ammo and human capital to feed into the Ukrainian Sausage grinder.

"Carpet Bombing" LOL .. with F-16's who don't stand a chance against modern air defense .. never mind the first in class Russian stuff .. and Zoomer .. F-16s don't carry many bombs to begin with .. .. got one suicide mission .. which may well cause some damage .. but won't be long and they will be out of planes.

Sad but True .. these wonder weapon dreams aint gonna come true.

 

Senate just passed the "goodies" package ....gifty, soon more Zedophile bodies will be piling up....I'm hearing some governors of a few Regions of the Olgino are quietly assembling their own " security forces" gifter.....why's that....that don't sound good. Means that those dudes are "nervous nellies" about the long term prospects of the clown show.

Just like former Yugoslavia....they'll tear themselves apart.