Kyiv:F-16s delivered to UAF will be equipped with long range missiles.

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  1. Giftedone

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    Bout time they passed the package in the Senate .. still has to clear the House but, finally is moving. Most of the money will be used to pay Gov't worker Salaries rather than on sending Ukraine weapons though .. can't send what you don't have. Zelensky wants to draft another 500,000 into service .. gonna seize assets and bank accounts of those that do not comply - hoping to induce able bodied lads who left the country to come back home but of course we know that is not going to work so he is stuck with pressing women and Seniors into service ..folks who are unwilling and untrained fodder for the meat Grinder.

    Agree that these nervous nelly conscripts will not be of much use as a fighting force .. especially being perpetually low on ammo and being out gunned 10 to 1 .. something a few Billion dollars on wonder weapons that are not so wonderful is not going to change.

    The Ukraine army has been reduced to holding a defensive posture .. the only offence the occasional terrorist attack which is of no moment in the grand scheme of things .. in the meantime Bibi is right out of control .. Ukraine now a secondary concern for most on the Hill.
     
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    There's lotsa $$$ for goodies in it to cause major pain for the Orcs gifty....whereas the Orcs are getting fleeced by their good pals ghe Chinos,Iranians,....where they're charging 5-6X more than what's actually worth....gifty.


    Let's see....I'm hearing the Kremlin clown show is planning another "huge" offensive around Avdivka??....that's like 6 or 7 offensives since October 10 2023?...when it all started ?.....jeepers....125 days later at 1200 orcs KIA daily is 150K KIA & wounded?.....for a small city of around 20000 pop.,??...are they phucking serious??....Potemkin military at best.

    4 platoons of US Marines/NATO forces could probably rout and secure this in 72 hrs or less.....?:grin::-D
     
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    Definitely the money will help .. but it is the weapons supply that is really needed --- we simply don't have it to supply .. Hopefully some of that money goes into increasing production capacity but that will not help for a couple years. Stuff like Javalin's we are tapped . we only produce a small number of these per year .. what Ukraine would go through in a month or less ...

    Sure we can send a few of these more sophisticated weapons here and there .. can be used for terrorist attacks - but have so few to make little difference in the overall equation.

    1200 KIA a day is laughable nonsense Zoomer -- need to ween yourself of of these tabloid Ukraine Propaganda tropes that have been proven false time after time over this war. I mean seriously .. do you not tire of getting it embarrassingly wrong quoting from these sites ..

    Ukraine is outgunned 10 to 1 - and getting shelled at a rate 10-1 or more on some days -- Ukraine air power increasingly non-existent .. Russia controlling the sky.. in a trench Artillery war..

    and some extra money - most of which going to pay salaries to keep the country running is not going to change much .. sans a few more terrorist attack using the occasional wonder weapon that shows up
     
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    Ukraine does not launch terrorist attacks, gifter. The side you work for does.
     
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    No...I don't tire....since most are true....:).

    No it's not laughable....the Zedophile Zombies average at times 1200 KIA daily....:).
     
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    I disagree. For it's intended purpose, that is as a close ground support aircraft, it was well designed, well until they found some major cracks in the wings. But in their defense that GAU-8 must put some major strain on everything, and no amount of calculations and simulations could account for all the flight maneuvers while firing.
    With the A10 they started with the GAU-8 and built the aircraft around it rather than the gun fitted as an afterthought to an existing aircraft.
    But, as you say, it's a bit long in the tooth now as the first production A10 flew in 1975 and anti aircraft weapons have come a long way since then.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K333_Verba
     
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    Yes they do .... and I didn't make the definition. Do you not agree that the Hamas firing rockets into Israel is a terrorist attack ?

    The idea that folks who disagree with you work for the Kremlin or some spy agency is laughable nonsense friend .. and certainly not an argument for anything but some kind of paranoid delusion and inability to make an argument .. aside from being personal invective which is a violation of PF rules.
     
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    Sorry Zoomer ... that propaganda pablum you been ingesting is the reason you have been wrong at every instance. 1200 KIA daily is a pipe dream. Even Ukraine is not losing that many daily and they normally lose 5-10 times what the Russian's lose.

    Ukraine is running out of human capital in any case .. ave age on the front line is 45 .. The Azov Nazi Press gangs now forcing women and Seniors into service .. and that is not laughable.
     
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    These Orc geriatrics should be enjoying fishing, playing with grandkids, playing troika, ....not getting conscripted into some frozen mudhole in Donbas.:).....LOL.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/02...limit-would-reduce-mobilization-requirements/
     
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    The MaidenPress Zoomie ? come on now dear... those Azov Nazi's running that propaganda show are still doing the Orc Orc Cheer while pressing women and Seniors to the Ukrainian front line to be turned into Ukrainian Sausage. No such silliness is going on in Russia where Volunteers line up for the motherland.
     
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    It is true...gifty.

    Other news line carry similar.

    Basically seniors with diabetes, high blood pressure, and triple heart bypass eligible for the meat grinder. Good way for Putinka to get rid of geriatrics and not pay pensions.

    Next up....psychiatric wards....clean house of all the nutcase....no need for therapies or procedures to remove thyroid.

    How's about that tub Kunikov....joined others as scuba diving attractions. The fish in the BS have a new home to explore....too bad about the 100+ crew....must've been an icy experience!:roflol:

    Drones were destroyed the orcs claim....they let the drones hit the ship.....LOL.....how novel?

    Another 1000+ dead orcs again today.....not great gifty. Liarov looking for "discussions" because RuZZfascista is up $hit creek.
     
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    ....yeah that always had me scratching my head....I was never too convinced that was agreat idea...I mean... if you wanted to hit something lightly armoured then maybe but a MBT?? Why not just light it up with a laser and blat it from 15,000ft with a guided bomb? Even in Vietnam a FAC could guide in a fast jet and score direct hits with smart bombs...anyway seemed weird. The clincher though was if the thing was as good as people made it out to be it would have sold overseas...but it didn't.
     
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    Well, one benefit is it would be a cheaper way to get that kill. Also good against a large number of targets.
     
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    ...:(....nobody else thought so....was the gun actually that accurate? I mean most of the kills were from hellfires from what I understand.... I mean if you want a similar sort of experience then what about an AC130!! One of them things can reaaaally make a mess with its guns.....lots of guns.....big bad plane.....:D
     
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    "Since its large profile and low operating altitudes around 7,000 feet (2,100 m) make it an easy target, its close air support missions are usually flown at night.[7]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130
     
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    Yeah but look at the piccies of in it action!!!
    Awesome beast!!
    Also does that article you quote go to say what they’re equipping this thing with!!! Lots of juicy missiles and all sorts of techy doohdads :eek::D
     
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    Need to get off the Pravda Ukraine friend.. Should know by now after being wrong time and time again .. Ukraine crying about only being able to fire 1000 shells a day .. Russia firing 10-20,0000 --- and in control of the skies so accurately guided to target .. the Ukraine Drones don't work much no more due to Rusky electronic Jamming .. but somehow Ukraine is not taking it hard.

    You can go to the military summary channel Zoomer .. every day tells us what is happening with each of the battles along the front line .. battle by battle .. looks at information coming from both sides on these battles .. geolocates drone footage and tracks position .. none is talking anything like what your previously wrong every time source is saying .. Team Azov is taking it hard and on the run .. losing territory every day .. the counter offensive a distant memory .. running short on ammo .. short on men .. women and Seniors being pressed into service. Have you thought about what an ave age of 45 on the front line means Zoomie .. its a grim situation.
     
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    Zoomer .. Its called "Mirroring" .. that's propaganda that states what is happening to them -- running out of human capital in this case - is happening to the other. and the 1000 Orcs killed a day claim is .. once again .. absolute false nonsense on steroids.

    Zoomie .. Vlad has plenty of Soldiers .. doesn't need to press women and Seniors into service .. although surely he would if that what it would take.... but it doesn't - The depleted Ukraine army is getting crushed and is on the run .. getting themselves encircled .. just like the Bakmut meat Grinder .. losses as high as 10 to 1 .. so if Russia is losing 1000 .. Ukraine is losing 10,000.

    Them British wonder weapons - amphibious drones a darn good technology .. just wait until these start attacking our ships in the Straits .. nothing to do but cry after the fact.. but these occasional terror attacks are not going to change the fortunes for this years batch of Ukrainian Sausage. Russia doing the equivalent of 10 of such attacks a day on a whim .. did you forget the Fabulous FAB -500's Zoomer .. boom boom boom .. heard they dropping some FAB 1500s .. how exciting is that for Grandpa sitting in a trench at the front ... cold and wet and near out of ammo.

    We have a number of Ukrainians dead a day Zoomie .. but not 10,000 .. The Azov crew has nothing to go offensive with - sans the occasional terrorist attack - and so they on the defense .. not losing as many as when they were throwing human waves into Russia first line of defense ... back when they had weapons with which to conduct such operations. .. Now they just losing more ground every day and you would know this if you would get off that Azov Nazi Propaganda and go watch the military summary channel like I told you .

     
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    UAF has struck Kerch numerous times...gifty.

    UAF has destroyed BSF HQ in Sevastopol.

    30% of BSF lies at the bottom as scuba diving attractions.

    Grain corridor in Western BS unilaterally opened by UAF....so much for a blockade.RuZzian dominance destroyed.

    Boyko towers retake by UAF

    Refinery in Pete droned.

    Belgorod getting hit daily now.....another strike today with numerous dead.

    Putler can't escalate much beyond his usual war crimes....and Muscovys capacity to escalate is quickly culminating....fifty.
     
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    Why is your dear leader pressing Indonesians and Cubans into service, then?
     
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    Nepalese want compensation for their dead conscripts....and any still alive to be sent home?

    They won't see a dime....and those who are still active at the front....clocks ticking.
     
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    There is a war going on Zoomer .. Wonder weapons involved .. terrorist attacks .. stuff gets blown up.

    But did you watch your daily "Military Summary Channel" this morning like a good observer ? .. I know you watched yesterdays .. so pleased I was to provide link to you. What a horrible Cauldron Avdiivka has become .. already many are surrendering .. looking at near complete encirclement .. the only road out not safe to pass. Benevolent Putin offering safe passage to those who surrender rather than becoming Sausage for Easter Celebration.

    There is your 1000/day dead you been talking about .. and gonna be for many days .. lest they surrender .. the last bastions of the Crack Azov Nazi Battalion .. found themselves encircled .. Not pretty .. no reason to jump up and cheer .. yay .. look what happened over here .. some one off terrorist attack ... not going to save them lads destined for Sausage .. nor the fate of Ukraine .. nor its denazification until these terrorist incidents stop.
     
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    I didn't realize Biden was pressing Indo and Cuban into service .. but Genocide Joe ain't my "Dear" .. so have no fear of competition .. but do seek remission from this condition.

    Did you figure out that the propaganda is coming out of Blue Big Brother Biden friend :) Finally ! but better later than never :)
     
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    Just answer the question.
     
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    What question relating to the topic did you wish answered friend .. I am not interested in personal questions .. specially not one's laced with invective and fallacious intent.

    Now .. answer the question .. Did you finally figure out the propaganda that is coming out beloved Genocide Joe?? .. now Joe wanting to engage in further terrorism .. from which you wish to deflect and cancel .. long range missiles terror attacks.

    Why you so enthralled with this bad actor .. this Anti American President .. Genocide Joe . War criminal ... Crimes against humanity - Since when did it become cool to be a neocon in the Blue camp .. Running around paranoid that there is a Russian hiding behind every corner .. Hillary desperate to cover up her own election meddling crime crying out "Russia Russia" ..

    How did the Blue team lose its way so badly .. become so beholden to the Defense Industry and Big Pharma donor clubs ? Now we big supporters of Terrorists .. and Terrorism .. Ethnic Cleansing .. mega crimes against humanity -- What makes you so proud of that Orwellian doublespeak reality.
     

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