Kyle Rittenhouse from bullied teen, to Kenosha Killer ?

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  1. TOG 6

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    You -are- aware of the fact the burden of proof here lies with the state, to prove he did NOT act in self-defense.
    Thus, your statement, above, has no meaning.
    What, specifically, in any of the videos, allows you to discern the intent of the people chasing him?
     
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    How is this kid a hero? Clearly, he's a victim. I say that in the most general way. He did something that frankly wasn't very bright. He put himself into a situation that he wasn't able to stop. He ran away from conflict. And that seems to be the start of his real problems. From that moment, he ran for his life as a convicted felon screamed and ran after him, hurling a molotov device at him, and corners dude who then in fear of his life decides to defend himself. What was he supposed to do? Well, If I listen to the leftists here, he was just supposed to die. Like the guy in Portland. And even that guy's death is being blamed as "violence" (not sure how dying is the active commission of violence, but no one ever said liberals were rational or truthful). So what is a 17 yo with an AR going to do? defend himself. That isn't heroic, it was necessary. And then, he calls the cops. ON HIMSELF, reporting the incident, because, ... gasp..... he thinks they will help him.

    And then what happens? The mob descends on him trying to, (likely from the mind of a 17 yo) trying to kill him. He is assaulted twice shooting one of his attackers and killing them (Huber). He then takes stock, rifle aimed at Grosskreutz, and as video evidence shows, doesn't perceive the threat, so lowers the rifle. At which point Dumbass Grosskreutz decides to, (in his own words) attempts to empty his clip into Rittenhouse.

    There wasn't anything heroic about any of that. It's tragic. That a 17 yo kid has been so lampooned in the national media, that folks like you continue to bash the kid, etc. This kid is not a hero, and NOONE here that I'm aware of, but certainly NOT ME, is describing him this way. So spare me the indignation.

    And at least be honest. Rittenhouse didn't kill folks who were demonstrating. He killed folks who were actively trying to assault him. I know, you won't admit it, because it undercuts your snark here and willingness to proclaim this kid a menace. But in doing so, you are still actively ignoring the facts. Why is that? What does this kids actions produce that creates such a visceral response from you that you feel it necessary to bash him anonymously on a website? That's perhaps to much honesty from you, and I'll bet you never attempt an answer.
     
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    He had the AR15 in case harm came to him.
    See how easy that was?
    Impossible to tell at this point.
    The law, however requires the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did NOT act in self-defense, something for which there is currently no evidence.
     
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    Utter nonsense.
    Given the fact he had an AR15, a firearm designed to, and serves no other purpose but to, kill as many people as possible, if he went there with the premeditated intent to kill people, a lot more people would be dead.
    Instead, the people he killed were a clear, present, and immediate danger to his person.
    Everyone who carries a gun has a willingness to kill.
    Or at least, they should.
    Here's where I challenge you to cite, copy and paste a racist statement from Trump, and you'll respond by doing everything but.
     
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    If all the things you say about Rittenhouse are true - why did he do this?
     
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    Getting BIden elected.
     
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    Driving twenty miles with an illegal semi automatic weapon strapped around your neck is not self defense, it's looking for trouble!!!
     
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    Every sensible person knows this who isnt blinded by partisan lenses
     
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    A week earlier in Kenosha he was stopped by police for speeding 20-24 over limit and driving without a valid license. On July 1, in Kenosha he is shown on a video attacking a girl and punching her in the back before being subdued by at least two other males.
     
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    All likely true. But not illegal. And not, by any evidence we have, provocative or escalatory.
    Under WI, you have to flee from a threat, if possible. He did.
    They then gave chase.
    Once you de-escalate, and the other side gives chase, you have the right to act in self-defense.
    That does seem to be their position.
     
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    Maybe you could provide a picture of this fantasy you've published.... I doubt it. But try anyway.
     
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    The rights only position on the is to make up what others are saying....

    Once and for all it wasn't illegal to drive into a Hornets nest just breathtakingly stupid just like trying to defend ANYONE in Kenosha that night..

    Everyone there including Kyle Rittenhouse needed an idiot of the day trophy NOT to be lauded as some kind of hero
     
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    Yes but because he believes how we do we'll all overlook the fact that he was likely an idiot who did an idiotic thing by inserting himself into an effing riot
     
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    I think the progression is pretty typical

    Bullying=>dropping out of school=>becoming a white supremacist=>being part of an armed group of extreme right vigilantes.

    Not that the progression is unavoidable, of course. But it's not unique.
     
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    Charging Docs, NY Times Analysis Support Kyle Rittenhouse’s Version Of Events
    Kenosha, WI – Both The New York Times analysis of the Kenosha riot videos and the criminal complaint charging teen Kyle Rittenhouse with the shootings suggest the 17 year old may have been acting in self-defense when he pulled the trigger.

    https://bluelivesmatter.blue/chargi...-support-kyle-rittenhouses-version-of-events/
     
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    You didn't watch any of the videos where he was being chased, attacked and people trying to take away his rifle, did you. So typical.
     
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    He had already fired off several rounds killing one person before the guy with the skateboard knocked him down and tried to disarm him before being shot.
     
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    Only at the one perp chasing him.

    Videos clearly show another shooter in the area firing into the air.
     
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    That’s the second video. There is another video of the first shooting where he is shown trying to retreat before being fired upon and then returning fire.

    Second Video: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299785044282671104?s=21
     
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    From a PLASTIC BAG?
     
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    No from a hostile mob who wanted to kill him.

    Get a clue of realism and actually watch the videos, or better yet go real world and go out there and get yourself beaten to death for helping out law abiding store owners.
     
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    From the felons chasing him. For all we know the first perp may have wanted to be intimate with him, given his prior convictions with underaged kids.
     
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    Why do you willfully mis-represent reality?
     
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