Lets talk specific laws and solutions to Racism

But why were there disparities...

"When Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 into law, the one that created the crack-cocaine disparity, Charlie Rangel was onstage with him. And at the time they pushed this because they thought previous policies were not doing the job and that they needed to get tougher on the drug problem in urban communities. And as the drug problem worsened, many of them continued to push for more punitive policies and more aggressive policing."

 

So you don't have any specific laws.

 

Life for most people is simple to be content they need a roof over their head they need food in their bellies and to get that they need a job. These democrat mayor's and councils aren't doing enough to create jobs specifically manufacturing jobs. Without jobs you create a toxic situation.

It's not a systematic racism thing it's a poor economic plan. Imo

Then you get into why black people stay in the toxic situation and we get into the pros and cons of government assistance and complacency.

 

As a white kid I attended my first two years of high school in a suburban location and it was well maintained, had all the current equipment, great sports facilities, was air-conditioned, great cafeteria, and I'll guess it was 98% white kids. For my last two years of high school, I transferred to an inter-city high school, a run down **** hole, almost no sports facilities, was not air-conditioned even when summer temps were around 100 degrees, had a cafeteria that smelled like a nursing home, and I'll guess it was 98% brown and black kids. At the time I gave it little thought except when I was literally dripping with sweat and so miserable I could not focus on learning. Today, looking back, if what I experienced is typical across the US in inter-cities and rural areas, this is obviously a critical flaw in our education systems. Even today I cannot answer the question 'why aren't ALL US schools created equal?' If we can't, or refuse, to solve these types of issues across the US, society is to blame for all the ills that exist today...

 

Isn't crack far more pure and potent than cocaine?

 

The inner city school you speak of sounds like underfunding. That makes you go is there not enough tax revenue because there aren't enough jobs or are the boards councils squandering the money or a combination of the two

 

For the sake of argument, let's pretend that it is. So what?

 

Full ride scholarship, which paid for meals and housing, and then another scholarship that provided an extra couple grand per semester. I didn't need loans until I got my second degree and masters, and only enough to cover the extra beyond the tuition assistance I was able to get.

 

Those sound like counter balancing regulations to account for the fact that minorities have been traditionally discriminated against in those areas. I know the farm grants are directly related to the 100+ years of the federal government discriminating against black farmers. This just seems like a matter of perspective. Whereas blacks used to be turned down or prevented from applying for farm grants, now there are a subset of grants that are specifically available for them. It doesn't mean white farmers can't get grants, they just can't get those grants specifically.

 

Scholarship is not the same with financial aid.
If you don’t know that then you should throw away your diplomas.

 

Scholarships are a subset of financial aid.

 

Financial Aid is grunts and loans that come from, guaranteed by, the US government. Scholarship is not Financial Aid from the US government.
At least that was the case when I was in college.

 

Just sounds like a difference between Financial Aid and financial aid, then. If your point was about grants from the government, my wife (who's white) and a white friend both had Pell grants. So I don't know what to tell you. Never heard of white folks having a problem getting grants or other Financial Aid.

 

Well, I did.
And my black classmates were bragging about the government paying for their lunches, parking, and books. We were of similar age and had similar income.

 

They're limited. I'm sure there were plenty of black students with similar backgrounds who didn't get grants. Maybe if someone wants to look up the statistics, we'll see a disproportionate number of black students getting grants. I somehow doubt it, though.

 

Tabala rasa is an unstated assumption there. Indeed it is an actively disproven assumption.

Inequality in outcome on its own does not mean anything other than people are different. It does not alleviate you of the responsibility to show discrimination is the cause.

 

Dream on.
Even when whites are a minority (less than 20 years) this will be the rule. in fact, I guarantee that when whites are a minority, the new stuff added will make these look fair.

The myth is that only whites can be racist. It is a persistent theme that will become increasingly asserted with time, as whites become a minority.

Not fair?
Was it "fair" when white men pushed native Americans onto reservations?
Was it "fair" when the USA took California, NewMexico and many states from Mexico?

"Fair" is relative. If you're white, you best get accustomed to a new "fair"

 

You want to see why there is do much poverty in the Black community? I doubt it because the answer isn't in a place you want to look. 1st I'll way too many single women heading households. That alone cuts the family's earning power in half.

2nd the schools are crap and dangerous as hell into the bargain leading to high drop out rates further reducing earning potential.

3rd the welfare state further castrates single parent families by an endless series of more or less public humiliations. School lunch program? Lefty what a wonderful thing I'm doing for the poor. Poor mom goes home and cries because she feels so useless because she can't feed her own kids breakfast.
There is no pathology in the 'hood that cannot be traced directly to LBJ'S Great Society Programs.

 

The moms and dads in suburban bedroom communities will vote lots of money for their kids education. In fact many of them fled the city schools for the very reason that they thought the schools sucked and they weren't getting enough bang for the buck.

Big city schools have increasingly become little more than test beds for the latest educational fads. This is disasterous for kids trying to learn the basics because they wind up getting hit with five or six different approaches to reading in the first six years. Not only that since they are buying a knew set of state recommended texts every year the maintenance budget gets starved. And almost no one shows up a PTA meetings because they just don't have time or energy.

 

Counter balancing regulations lol. So what you’re asserting is that it was wrong for whites to discriminate against blacks years ago, so the way to “counter balance” that discrimination is to discriminate today against white people who had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the discrimination that occurred previously. But we need to put the white people of today at a distinct disadvantage when attempting to run a business based on NOTHING more than the color of their skin.

I’m pretty sure if we had a government policy that paid businesses to hire white people but not black people and investors to invest in white businesses but not black ones, you would consider that obscenely racist, discriminatory and unconstitutional

 

Pretend that the government was going to provide $25 billion in grants to farmers. And then they added another $5 billion for black farmers specifically. White folks still get a shot at the $25 billion they would have otherwise had a shot at, and the additional $5 billion then guarantees that an historically discriminated class of people gets considered for grants. Would you still call that discrimination, or making up for past wrongs?

Your second bit basically smacks of "imagine if there was a White Entertainment Television!!!" I have no patience for that level of BS.

 

Please explain to me why a white farmer or business owner who is struggling shouldn’t have the same access to those funds that those black people have. Furthermore why in the hell should he shoulder the burden of making up for past wrongs that he had NOTHING to do with and that the vast majority of people today never experienced?

Let’s make this real simple. Is discrimination based upon race or ethnicity constitutional or not?

 

The white farmer gets access to the same funds he/she would have had access to in the first place (part of $25 billion). There's just an additional $5 billion available for black farmers. If anything, it makes it more likely that the white farmer will get access to funds because the black farmers are competing for a different chunk of cash.

I don't think it is, no. And I don't consider what I described above as discrimination.

 

What in the world are you talking about? First of all the black farmers get access to ALL of the 25B and then they get access to an extra 5B. Which means they have more capital to access making it cheaper to produce their goods while the white farmer has to take a cut in profit to be able to compete with the black one.

And of course it’s discrimination. You’re telling me if we had a fund that gave $5B to white farmers but didn’t give black farmers access to those funds even though black farmers had access to the $25B, you wouldn’t consider that discrimination? I don’t believe that for a second.

 

Sorry, this concept is pretty simple and you seem to be unable to grasp it. I'm out.