Liberals! What are your Beliefs as to Why You Are So Far Out of Power?

Don't you worry your little head about it. If Trump screws up I'll be on him in a New York minute.

 

Actually you did. Here's your quote. If teachers are doing thier job as you now claim how do you explain this?

"Simple. Our education system is a joke and the country is full of people with low intelligence people."

 

I did instead.

 

Back to and including FDR, this very nation can claim a lot more power in the hands of Democrats than in republicans hands.

When republican presidents served, they fought a congress determined they lose.

For some odd reason, Democrats decided schools had to be nationally run not locally ran. Even when Bush was president, Democrats whined he wanted kids tested. But they did not only get rid of no child left behind, they doubled down and now kids are more tested than during Bush.

When the well known Democrats manage the school system, but complain it is not working well, they need mirrors.

Hillary got the money of the rich and the "elites." Had Trump not paid his own way, I doubt republicans would have supported him. I never sent him a dime.

If he does well, next time I will help with his expenses. Why not this past election? My guy was Kasich.

But far and away, Hillary had the big money. Even hollywood is in full mourning she lost.

 

He knows we will hold his feet to the fire. We depend on him to make it work. We won't rush to make excuses up like Obama and his followers did. When Trump dumps in his pants, we will land on him like nobody else can.

 

When you land on him make sure you duck and roll. The doo doo will be a fly'in.

 

Too early to make that claim. We have no experience with Trump as governing.

We also had that same weakness when Obama took over.

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Are you concerned it will be him ducking and rolling?

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It is my opinion that Democrats will fry in hell before the ever elect another Clinton nor Sanders types.

If they keep this up, they can expect to be in the cold for a very long time.

 

I am sick of Democrats claim they are for the future when the present needs fixing. Fixing from what? Failed policies jammed down our throats starting in 1932. That there are failures in this country means they need mirrors. Look at who did it to this country.

 

mostly greed, i saw a big smile from george W bush at the inauguration because he didn't think liberals could make him look worse, but they did.

he got us into a war overseas based on lies and greed, they brought the war right here on American soil based on lies and greed.

social division, economic oppression of the poorer half of the middle class, destruction of any and all freedoms, it was a close election but short of President Trump slapping the queen of england it can't get any worse

the new Reagan era may begin for the next 30 years.

 

Given the ACA is 100 percent Democratic party ruled, ran and enforced

Why then are 29 Million Americans lacking health insurance?

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/10/Even-Obamacare-29-Million-People-Are-Uninsured-Here-s-Why

And those Obama brags he covered, were forced into purchasing insurance or be set upon by the Feds?

It was not handed to them as a right. They had to pay for it.

And what is with this nonsense that deductibles are sky high just to pay for premiums?

And why are policies going up in price so fast and so much?

This smacks to most of us as Obama working for the insurance firms.

 

Bernie had a good idea of where we need to go as far as healthcare is concerned. Yes, I know this is his old campaign site, but his plan is still up.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

 

Yet, that didn't stop the right from FEMA camp claims and doubting his citizenship. Let's not pretend that the right didn't jump to every whackadoodle conspiracy they could for the past 8 years. I find it hilarious that those on the right clamoring for cooperation with this joke of a man act as if the right was nothing but magnanimous during Obama's 2 terms.

Obama was roundly criticized for his lack of experience for years. Now that republicans have an even less experienced man in power, it's all fine. Oh the hypocrisy.

 

Based on the quality of your posts, and fake news sources, I highly doubt that. Case in point, he's already gone back on one of his biggest campaign promises, to drain the swamp. It's awful swampy with all the goldman sachs people he's hired, yet cons think that's just fine.

 

Nice try... Attacking me the messenger is the normal tactic of Progressives ala their sainted Saul Alinsky. "Rules for Radicals" Rule 4. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. "The good news is that liberals almost never have logic on their side; so they're incapable of rationally making the case for their policies". They must therefore stick to the script even though they ridicule themselves in the process. BTW, Donald J. Trump was inaugurated less than 72 hours ago.

While you claim that Obama didn't appoint Goldman Sachs personnel? You know like:

Goldman Sachs Personnel that were employed in the Barack Obama White House from 2009 to 2016

• Lael Brainard: Brainard is the United States Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in the administration of Obama.
• Gregory Craig: Former White House Counsel, Recently hired by Goldman Sachs.
• Thomas Donilon: Deputy National Security Adviser (despite having a career that is mostly involved with domestic politics). Donilon was a lawyer at O’Melveny and Myers and made almost $4 million representing meltdown clients including Penny Pritzker (of Chicago) and Goldman Sachs.
• William C. Dudley: President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, partner and managing director at Goldman Sachs and was the firm’s chief U.S. economist for a decade.
• Douglas Elmendorf: Obama Director of the Congressional Budget Office in January 2009, replaced Furman as Director of the Hamilton Project (Note that the Hamilton Project was funded by Robert Rubin and Goldman Sachs).
• Rahm Emanuel: Obama Chief of Staff, on the payroll of Goldman Sachs receiving $3,000 per month from the firm to “introduce us to people", in the words of one Goldman Sachs partner at the time.
• Dianna Farrell: Obama Administration: Deputy Director, National Economic Council. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Financial Analyst.
• Stephen Friedman*)Obama Administration: Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman 1990-94; Director 2005).
• Michael Frohman: Robert Rubin’s Chief of Staff while Rubin served as Secretary of the Treasury and an Obama “head hunter” according to “Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team” in the New York Times.
• Anne Fudge: Appointed to Obama budget deficit reduction committee. Fudge has been the PR craftsman for some of America’s largest corporations. She sits, according to the Washington Post, as a Trustee of the Brookings Institution within which the Hamilton Project is embedded.
• Jason Furman: Directed economic policy for the Obama Presidential Campaign, served as the second Director of the Hamilton Project after Peter Orszag’s departure for the Obama administration.
• Mark Gallogly: Sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory council. He is also, according to Wikipedia, currently a member of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.
• Timothy Geithner: Secretary of the Treasury, former President of the New York Fed. a former managing director of Goldman Sachs.
• Gary Gensler*)Obama Administration: Commissioner of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance.
• Michael Greenstone: The 4th Director of the Hamilton Project. Just as attorney Craig went from advising Obama to defending Goldman Sachs against the SEC complaint, Greenstone has used the revolving door to go from an Obama economic adviser position to one of the Goldman Sachs outlets - in this case its think tank embedded in the Brookings Institution and funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. All 3 previous Directors of the Hamilton Project work in the Obama administration.
• Robert Hormats*)Obama Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs Group.
• Neel Kashkari: Served under Treasury Secretary Paulson (a former Goldman Sachs CEO) and was kept on by Obama after his inauguration for a limited period to work on TARP oversight. Former Vice President of Goldman Sachs in San Francisco where he led Goldman’s Information Technology Security Investment Banking practice.
• Karen Kornbluh: (Sometimes called "Obama’s brain") Obama Ambassador to the OECD. Was Deputy Chief of Staff to 'Mr. Goldman Sachs', Robert Rubin.
• Jacob "Jack" Lew: The United States Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources. According to Wikipedia, Lew sits on the Brookings-Rubin funded Hamilton Project Advisory Board. He also served with Robert Rubin in Bill Clinton’s cabinet as Director of OMB.
• David Lipton: Now on Obama’s National Economic Council and the National Security Council. Lipton worked with Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner on the US response to the Asian financial crisis of the 1990’s. MergeFoundations reports that Lipton worked closely with Robert Rubin.
• Emil Michael: White House Fellow. Former investment banker with Goldman Sachs.
• Eric Mindich: Former chief strategy officer of New York-based Goldman Sachs, started Eton Park in 2004 with $3.5 billion, at the time one of the biggest hedge-fund launches ever. .....Hank Paulson Tipped Off The Goldman-Led "Plunge Protection Team" About Fannie Bankruptcy 7 Weeks In Advance (2007): (*)Goldman operative Eric Mindich in the hierarchy of the Asset Managers' committee of the President's Working Group on Capital Markets, better known of course as the PPT (in 2009).
• Philip Murphy: Obama Administration: Ambassador to Germany. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Head of Goldman Sachs, Frankfurt.
• Barack Obama: Obama owes his career to Goldman Sachs which was not only his biggest financial contributor when he ran for the Presidency, but was also his biggest contributor when he ran for the US Senate.
• Peter Orszag: Obama Budget Director. Founding director of the Hamilton Project, funded by Goldman Sachs and Robert Rubin. Wikipedia indicates that Robert Rubin, Goldman’s ex-CEO, was one of Orszag’s mentors.
• Mark Patterson: Obama Administration: Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Lobbyist 2005-2008; Vice President for Government Relations.
• Mark Peterson: Chief of staff to Timothy Geithner. Goldman Sachs Vice President and lobbyist.
• Steve Ratner: The shady billionaire financier who Obama appointed as his “car czar” and who resigned after it was revealed that his company, the Quadrangle Group, was apparently involved in “pay to play” for a billion dollars or so of New York State pension funds, and was under possible indictment by the New York AG and the SEC. Sits on the Advisory Council of the Goldman funded Hamilton Project.
• Robert Reischauer: A member of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission from 2000-2009 and was its Vice Chair from 2001-2008. He too sits on the Hamilton Project’s advisory board.
• Alice Rivlin: Obama named Alice Rivlin to his so-called Deficit Reduction Commission.
• James Rubin: Son of Robert Rubin. Served as a 'headhunter' for Obama per the New York Times article, "Rubin Proteges Change Their Tune as They Join Obama’s Team".
• Gene Sperling: Advisor to Timothy Geithner on bailouts. Sperling paid by Goldman Sachs for one year of consulting work.
• Adam Storch: Obama Managing Executive of the Security and Exchange Commission’s Division of Enforcement. Former Vice President in the Goldman Sachs Business Intelligence Group.
• Larry Summers: Obama chief economic adviser and head of the National Economic Counsel. Worked under Robert Rubin at Goldman Sachs.
• John Thain: Obama Administration: Advisor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Former Goldman Sachs Title: President and Chief Operating Officer (1999-2003).
• Goldman Sachs personnel in the George W. Bush White House
• Joshua Bolten: Bush II Administration: White House Chief of Staff (2006 – 2009). Former Goldman Sachs Title: Executive Director, Legal & Government Affairs (1994-1999).
• William C Dudley: NY Federal Reserve: Current President/CEO. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Managing Director – 2007.
• Edward C. Forst: Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson 2008. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Co-head of Goldman’s investment management business.
• Stephen Friedman: NY Federal Reserve: Former Chairman of the Board – 2009. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman, 1990-94; Director 2005-).
• Gary Gensler: Bush II Administration: Undersecretary of the Treasury (1999-2001) and Assistant Secretary, Treasury (1997-1999). Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance.
• Reuben Jeffery III: Bush II Administration: Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department (2007–2009). Former Goldman Sachs Title: Managing Partner, Paris until 2002 Security Investment Banking Practice.
• Dan Jester: Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson 2008. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Deputy CFO.
• Neel Kashkari: Bush II Administration: Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability, Treasury (2008 – 2009). Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice President, Goldman Sachs San Francisco; led Information Technology Security Investment Banking Practice.
• Eric Mindich: Former chief strategy officer of New York-based Goldman Sachs. Started Eton Park in 2004 with $3.5 billion.
• Henry Paulson: Bush II Administration: Secretary of the Treasury 2006 - 2009. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Chairman and CEO (1998-2006).
• Robert Rubin: Bush II Administration: Secretary of the Treasury 1995-1999. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman (1987-1990).
• Robert Steel: Bush II Administration: Under Secretary for Domestic Finance, Treasury (2006 – 200. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman – 2004.
• Steve Shafran: Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson 2008. Former Goldman Sachs private equity business in Asia until 2000.
• Kendrick R. Wilson III: Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson 2008. Former Goldman Sachs Title: Chairman of Goldman’s financial institutions groups.
• Robert Zoellick*)Bush II Administration: United States Trade Representative (2001-2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005-2006), World Bank President (2007 -). Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, International (2006-07).

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Uh no. This thread isn't about the deposed Hitlery Clinton.

 

Lower voter turnout among liberals. Little enthusiasm for Clinton because everyone sees her as a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), despite her competency.

Liberals can also be smug (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s sometimes. Instead of engaging with republicans and showing them how they are ignorant, liberals tend to just troll them because it's more fun.

 

Yes, WE CAN!!


Ummm no............they can't. GD that is funny, that smug Oprah jiving no talent zombie Hills. I never laughed so hard as the day the Secret Service loaded her up like a sack of potatoes into the black limo.

 

No amount of childish font makes up for the fact that Trump has not only failed to drain the swamp, he's made it worse. Goldman sachs stooges, religious nutjobs, and wholly unqualified sycophants. It's par for the course for you to try and deflect to Obama but, he isn't the president any more. Can you respond to the fact that Trump duped you into thinking he was going to drain the swamp and then filled it with goldman stooges? Try answering to that without deflecting to a talking point about Obama or Hillary.

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That doesn't even make sense in the context of my post. You'll have to try harder.

 

Hillary was always a weak candidate, who had an 'authenticity/ trust problem' with voters including members of her own party. Many of the same weaknesses that saw her lose to a neophyte US Senator with no name familiarity in 2008, were still here in 2016. Voters just did not like her, and could not get excited about this candidate. Hillary still might have won, but for the untimely announcement that 'newly discovered' emails might lead to indictments. that reinforced a nightmare scenario for moderates and independents who just could not stomach 4 years of constant squabbling in congressional hearings over every scrap of paper congress could find in her trash bin and every email she ever sent. that would drag this country down along with any momentum for Clinton post victory. a lot of voters Hillary needed just did not feel inspired enough to show up at the polls, On the other hand it reinvigorated the trump base and they did show up

 

There you go again.... I highlighted in bold and Italics to emphasize your whining and barking up the wrong tree. I guess the shock of losing the presidential election to such a crass person like Trump. All we will read from you will be the same ole crap, attacking messengers, whining about Font, and spreading of #Fake News, while denying and evading the truth..

 

Did you just call the chairperson of a company a figurehead? Someone should cross off your name when it comes to asking who to hire on a trust lol. She had numerous responsibilities on the day-to-day operations, just for manging the company's profits(let alone workers and benefits) alone.

 

Yes ISIS flourishing, Syria in ruins, a record number of Americans out of the workforce, another 10 trillion in debt and focusing on allowing boys in the girls bathrooms and locker rooms in schools why we fall further behind the rest of the world academically is progress right?

Get a clue.

 

Great posts. But, as usual for posts that are to the point, they get no responses because most are more into "nanana -- my side won" than actual discussion.

Yes, the pendulum WILL swing to the other side again. Americans have this habit to get tired of the ruling party relatively quickly. The only question is if the pendulum will swing back in 4 or 8 years. My prediction (for what it's worth) is that the current economic upturn, even though it has been slow, is long in the tooth. Thus, we are up for a correction. After the initial honey moon period with Trump wears off and economic reality sets back in, more likely othan not we'll have a recession before Trump's first term is over. If that's the case, I am not sure if people give him the benefit of the doubt again.

Yes, Hillary was a weak candidate. I've said this before that Dems rejected Hillary in 2008, so why did they think they could win with her in 2016? And that's what eventually cost her the election: Low Dem turnout caused by low enthusiasm. I didn't see a single Hillary yard sign in our area, so that was my number one concern, low turnout. Coupled with stupid predictions of a Hillary landslide (I have warned of) and the Comey e-mail case reopening days before the election, sealed her fate.

That's, of course, the second time after 2004 the Dems picked the safe candidate over the exciting one, with the known consequences. So, my advice: Don't do that again.

 

Yet again you dodge. Don't worry, I keep my expectations low. You can cry about attacking the messenger all day, but you're refusing to acknowledge that the swamp most certainly has not been drained. Further, you refuse to acknowledge it has been filled with the very wall street types you cried about were inhabiting the 'swamp.'

Are you capable of speaking to the goldman sachs filled swamp trump is giving us? Are you capable of acknowledging that you've been duped? Can you even respond to the current president's BS without deflecting? I have my doubts.

 

You're trying to deflect the issue. Your claim about Goldman Sachs was blown out of the water by my post showing the number of Goldman Sachs employees that worked for Obama within his administration. You have yet to show or prove your statement. Surely that Obama swamp was filled with Goldman Sachs people working for Obama and/or subsidized by G.S. There will be far less G.S people in the Trump administration that is for sure. The only deflection and obfuscation in this case is on your plate. Case in point Timothy Geithner G.S. alumnus worked for Obama and returned to Goldman Sachs