Liberals! What are your Beliefs as to Why You Are So Far Out of Power?

Maybe, we're just too dispersed to win the popular vote in the county. Maybe, Conservatives have been more organized this year because they really wanted to win. We thought we had already won, and thus put our guard down to the power of the other party. Maybe.

 

The chairs of companies don't run the show. They hire CEOs, and that's pretty much all they do. (The CEO's run the show).

 

I'm sorry, but were you complaining about Goldman Sachs employees in the Obama administration? You may have posts on that but I can't find them.

 

I think he was elected because people final realized that the voting for Obama was completely emotional and they see what they got the last 8 years, and the two precious to that when they voted in a Democrat Congress. Now it it has become practical voting and getting the economy on the path to growth and prosperity.

 

I don't think they could have put up a weaker candidate than Hil. I mean, if Hil couldn't beat a POS like Trump what does that say about her? People were ready to run America off a cliff instead of voting for Hil.

 

Trump should be a figurehead and just rubber stamp the reps bills. Let the VP do all the heavy lifting. Once in a blue moon Trump can come out and kick some CNN and dem ass.

 

The only good healthcare idea is my idea. Everything they have planned is (*)(*)(*)(*) for you unless you are rich, then it does not matter.

Healthcare system we have in the US is broken. It will only keep spiraling out of control no matter how they masturbate it. Once healthcare turned into big biz it was put on a trajectory for destroying the ability of the average person paying for healthcare out of pocket.

A 2 tier system, one for the rich as a fee for service and one for the average person that is gov supplied - aka socialized healthcare is the only way you can do it. The rich can have whatever they want and the poor can still get some healthcare. Socialized med wont be as good as rich med, but it can be doable. If you don't like it, get 3 jobs and pay for the rich healthcare.

Socialized education is has served us for ages. The cost is in the RE taxes and even if you have no kids you end up chipping in. If you don't want to use the socialized education system then you can pay for private school. This is how the healthcare should be.

Socialized med is hard to promote in the US. We are a capitalist country. The greedy special interests and rich will tear it down as communism. The only way it would work is to have a 2 tier system. The rich can pay for the best if they don't want socialized med. The average person can use the socialized plan. But you can never have success if you force the average person to pretend they are rich and force a high cost, unaffordable health plan on them.

It is no different than having a high earner and a low earner in a marriage. You either live to the budget that is double of the lower earner if you want to split expenses down the middle or the high earner has to pay for the bulk of it if they want to live on a higher level. You can't force a low earner to be a high earner if it is not in them.

 

I have a few reasons....

1. Democrats ignored populism and embraced wall street donations, which put them at odds with the base. This is why Sanders came from nowhere to nearly knock Clinton, the most recognized and mainstream Democrat on earth, out of contention.

2. Liberals played identity politics. Yes, BLM, the trans community, women, LGBT people, etc. ALL have their place and issues to be dealt with, but the number one issue was cast aside to cater to these groups...the economy stupid.

3. PC Culture dominates college campuses. Safe spaces were originally a conservative concept, they wanted to be segregated from people of color, atheists, and anyone who thought/was different than they were. "Progressives" used this to create the same thing for colleges, which alienated strong voices/opinions.

4. Islamic fascism is not a term the contemporary left wants to use. I am a democratic socialist, have lived in Europe, and can tell you, there IS a problem with conservative Islam. It is NOT compatible with Western secular culture, which by the way, was created by our forefathers. They seem to care more about a woman's right to wear a hijab, rather than the rights of women NOT to wear one. Conservative Islam also hates gays, drugs, alcohol, music, science, ALL things the secular left fought against western Christians for.

 

A very bad idea. VERY bad. We already have a problem with the rich corporate interests opposing Medicare and even the ACA. The single payer option was eliminated from Obama's original proposal because of rich corporate interests. So what is going to keep them agreeable to a socialized system for just the average person when the rich are left on their own to pay their own way without help? What would be their motivation to allow a multi-billion-dollar tax-funded health system for everyone else to exist?

 

We're not talking about Obama. Try to respond without crying about Obama. He doesn't hold office anymore and is not relevant to this conversation.

We're talking about the current idiot in chief who promised to 'drain the swamp' and then filled it with the same types of people he railed against. You're either incapable of understanding that fact or unwilling to admit you were duped by his rhetoric. I suspect the latter. I challenge you to respond to the goldman sachs, wall street stooges trump has filled his appointments with, in direct contrast to his promise. At least 3 deflections on your part have convinced me that you cannot. Figures.

 

Again a deflection. Look, I wouldn't want to be put in the awkward position of defending the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) grabber in chief either. You'll have to try though because he is the president now, not Obama. He said he would drain the swamp and railed against wall street types, then filled his cabinet with them. I already knew Trump was full of crap, why aren't YOU upset?

 

So it was all right for you and the rest of your ilk to whine and point to Bush for eight years of the Obama regime, but according to you it was not l right for me or others to point out the eight incompetent and failed years of Obama. A little hypocritical of you, would you say? As I stated before Trump has spent just a little more than 72 hours as POTUS. Why don't you speak up in about 97 days. Then we'll discuss the issue. There were no deflections, you brought up Goldman Sachs and I responded in kind and you had no other response other than attack me, and deflect the issue. That is certainly plain to see.
P.S., you just went on the ignore list.

 

So are you saying that you didn't think leaning on Goldman Sachs for positions was a big deal, and just pretended to because....Trump? Or, is it only bad to lean on Goldman Sachs for positions in a Trump Administration, but perfectly fine in an Obama administration because...Obama?

 

No, you didn't. You deflected to Obama. You refuse to defend trump's appointments which are as swampy as they've ever been. Even now, in your 4th response, you cannot do it. Clearly you are not going to try to defend the indefensible. "But they did it" is not an excuse. It's not an explanation. It's a cop out. Trump was supposed to be the guy who wasn't influenced by things that influenced other presidents. He was supposed to be the outsider who would 'drain the swamp.' He hasn't done that. In fact, he's done the opposite, and you're fine with it.

Put me on your ignore list, because intellectual discourse isn't possible with you it seems. I'll continue to call you out, and you can hide all you like, just like the coward in chief you love so much.

 

Can't do it without deflecting to Obama. It's not just because.... Trump. It's because Trump pretended to rail against goldman sachs and wall street in general, then filled his cabinet with wall street billionaires. You're not an idiot. You know what's going on here. Why you insist on being disingenuous, I don't know.

 

Yup, the chairperson is a figurehead--they run board meetings several times a year. They are not involved in day to day operations of the company.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...the_difference_between_ceos_and_chairmen.html

 

The very ARTICLE you posted denounces your silly proposition. I'm not going to quote it, I'm going to ask you to read your own article again.

 

I don't think I'm being disingenuous at all. Since you refused to answer my questions, that title would more properly fit you in this situation.

You brought up Goldman Sachs, I didn't. It seems odds that now, after 8 years, suddenly you find Goldman Sachs objectionable.

Frankly, I'm afraid I have a great advantage over you. That's why you have to dodge about Obama's kneeling before GS. Because of your partisan loyalty, you're forced to be hypocritical and defend the previous Obama administration, even when they recruited from the same cess pool that you suddenly find so objectionable. For me, it's a lot easier, since if Trump does something stupid or makes a stupid decision, I don't feel they same sort of partisan lockstep to defend dumb statements or dumb decisions. In the case of Goldman Sachs being a farm team for US government positions, I find it offensive regardless of whether Obama does it or Trump, because their record in office is defending their industry and their company, not the general welfare.

So it's quite liberating to not have to defend the indefensible like you do!

 

I take it you think Trump is a conservative.

 

Yeah know... I voted for Trump... and in 1985, the Air Force, as part of their recuitment, evalutation, and retention program, gave me an official, two day long, 8 hour a day, IQ test, along with 70 other recruits at Beale AFB.

I scored an amazing 163 ! Which surprised even me!

But, the year's official AFCP award went to a Black Guy from my Comm Shop, because he got an additional 20 Points toward the award, for being Black.... and six months later, he returned to the base, under house arrest, awaiting court martial, for selling crack while in uniform on the college campus he was attending at USAF expense....

I never got a college degree... though I worked my ass off for twenty years in electronics R&D for Lockheed Corp....

Today, after being RIF'd from my job at Los Alamos Labs, along with 72 other White Males over age forty... where the level 3 managers who broke every labor treatment law in the book for drive U.S. From our Careers and Jobs, got a personal $10K paycheck bonus from DOE for helping correct the "Racial Imbalance" in DOE staff...


I am unemployed for six months and facing bankruptcy!



Go Figure...

Today... the group I used to work for, produces nothing of value to the nation... but! hey, they have the right Racial Quotas!



And you wonder how Trump got elected?!!!!!!


There is a reckoning coming to the Leftie Americans... and it cannot come too soon or be too harsh!


*******N the the LEFT!

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I didn't, Trump did. Even talking about goldman sachs is in response to the nonsensical drain the swamp idiocy that trump voters fell for. Try to stay focused. Obama didn't rail against GS and promise to drain the swamp, Trump did. It's his hypocrisy over his appointments that should have you fuming, but you're too busy deflecting to Obama. You're defense for trump literally breaking a promise before he even took office is "well, they did it too."

Morons across the country voted for him because he was supposed to be the guy that didn't do the things previous presidents did. He was supposed to be an outsider. He was supposed to drain the swamp. Then he appoints the very people he was crying about to his frothing crowds. Again, you should be upset about being duped by the con man. Your lack of substance on this issue makes me feel perhaps you don't even realize you were duped. Oh well, critical thinking has never been a hallmark of the trump voter.

It seems odds that now, after 8 years, suddenly you find Goldman Sachs objectionable.

Frankly, I'm afraid I have a great advantage over you. That's why you have to dodge about Obama's kneeling before GS. Because of your partisan loyalty, you're forced to be hypocritical and defend the previous Obama administration, even when they recruited from the same cess pool that you suddenly find so objectionable. For me, it's a lot easier, since if Trump does something stupid or makes a stupid decision, I don't feel they same sort of partisan lockstep to defend dumb statements or dumb decisions. In the case of Goldman Sachs being a farm team for US government positions, I find it offensive regardless of whether Obama does it or Trump, because their record in office is defending their industry and their company, not the general welfare.

So it's quite liberating to not have to defend the indefensible like you do!

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When progress entails enriching a few by open borders free trade globalization enough working people saw this progress was impoverishing them and voted against what DC said was progress.

The majority in this nation are against what you call progress, for it is too painful for them to bear. Some remember back to Perot trying to tell them free trade would suck their middle class jobs out, and they didn't believe him then, but understand what he was trying to tell them now. Now it is just common sense, as it was when Perot said it. Progress isn't always good, in fact it can be very destructive...and was.

 

Should I be flattered that you lifted my reply to you and sent it back to me as your reply?

Heh!

I think the point is made!

 

Perhaps you should have made better choices in life. Can't blame all of your failures on Obama anymore. You think the billionaire man child president who has likely had more pedicures than you've taken showers is your savior?

What reckoning do you think that'll be? I'd like to see what trumpbots have in mind for this reckoning in your paranoid delusions. Mae sure you cash your government check and keep being a drain on the system. When Herr Trump takes away what meager benefits you do have, you can always blame Obama.

 

Forgot to edit out the BS part, which was about 75% of your post. Of course it was more deflection and crying about Obama having goldman sachs stooges. Amazingly, you give trump a pass on his goldman sachs stooges. Drain the swamp was just another slogan he used to dupe the feeble minded.