Liberty Frightens People

The problem is not the right, the problem is the unorganized popular class. Communism did a lot of bad things, but they still succeed to transform a band of destitutes into a war machine.

 

So you want to obey the laws you think are good laws and ignore those you think are bad. Fine, but don’t talk about it, words are cheap, do it. Oh, and tell us how it’s working out for you.

 

There's something about this idea that is almost sublimely evil. Some do take their moral conviction to such extremes that they would rather go to prison than live an unprincipled life. The problem is that I think you would take delight at seeing somebody being imprisoned for daring to defy the state over mere principles.

 

Yes, and who says I'm wrong?

You do!

Funny how you don't realize your own argument works against you lol. You really should take your own advice.

 

The disconnect is on the part of

Do they drug you people to get you to defend this nonsense?

 

Could be everyone else is right and you are wrong. Just because you don't understand personal liberty and all that is involved does not make everyone else wrong.

 

Actually Thomas Jefferson came up with the idea.

It's not only your obligation to break unjust laws, It's your duty.

 

Could be. But I do understand "personal liberty"...and I understand the constraints on personal liberty necessary for a functioning society.

I suspect you don't.

 

Like I said...if you think traffic lights are unjust...and feel you have an obligation to break the laws governing them because Thomas Jefferson told you to do so...

...do it.

The people who love the people killed because of that idiocy might feel differently.

 

Basically this looked through the process of power has been a major interest to social scientists. Basically the argument is power over or power to which using the word liberty would be personal freedom or infringement of the freedom of others. It can be a tough one to call as frequently one interferes with the other.

But hey, you have just reminded me I have a copy of the Fear of Freedom, by Eric Fromm. Seems like now may be a good time to read it.

http://www.studymore.org.uk/yfromm.htm

 

You're right. We have been systematically disorganized by the capitalist class and their servants in government. Union membership, which is a very important organizing structure, has been crushed from 25% of the workforce to 7% today. So now the prime directive is "organize"!

 

Yes, by a partisan vote including one RINO.

 

By the Supreme Court.

 

Yes, by a liberal majority at the time. My how times are about to change. No more emotional votes, but votes based on the limitations of the Constitution. You know that little piece of paper that made us one of the greatest countries in the history of Earth.

 

That is not entirely true...I think it boils down to the punishment of said law...Dunno which one you may be referring to but take Legalization of what one does to ones own body for example.
Drugs, Abortion, etc.
The enforcement and punishment when caught, should it be a fine, prison, or death penalty?

Like someone said early on in the thread Anarchy is not an option...else we face a society like Somalia, or like seen in the Walking dead series. That in my opinion is just too much d#$m liberty.

I prefer not to revert back to feudalism.
Should anyone have the Liberty to break a contract they have signed?

 

Well, it is true that the S. C. is now VERY partisan. The right has discarded sound judgement.

 

One man's sound judgement is another' hysteria.

 

I meant to type "now" rather than "not".
Yes, hysteria, and that is prominent in this administration. Nothing that comes out of the W.H. now can be trusted.

 

Compliance with law is no excuse for being complicit with tyranny.

 

"Liberal" and "Conservative" have come to represent two opposing sets of personal convictions. Both "liberals" and "conservatives" are equally liberal with the legal use of force. The political spectrum does not run from "liberal" to "conservative"; it runs from authoritarian to libertarian. One's politics are not defined by their personal convictions. One's politics are defined by how willing, or unwilling, that one is to have their personal convictions imposed upon their equals by force of law.

 

Yes, but we do not have a tyranny in America. Thats why we get to elect our officials. One must comply with the law until it becomes tyrannical, at which point it becomes necessary to overthrow those laws and leaders and put in new laws and leaders who are not tyrannical. ​

 

Tyranny is simply attempting to do by force of law what cannot, or should not, be done by force at all. Most of what our government currently attempts to do cannot, or should not, be done by force at all. The rule of law is only as good as the law. When that law usurps, rather than defends liberty, we not only have the option to disobey it, we have an obligation to disobey it.

It's all in the Declaration of Independence.

 

"Nothing that comes out of the W.H. now can be trusted."
Yes, that's the hysteria I'm talking about.

 

I don't like driving the speed limit. They are too slow in most places for me. So I should take the liberty to drive whatever speed I feel is safe?

 

There is no government on earth that does not impose its convictions on its citizens.