Life in Israel under fire

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  1. Indofred

    Indofred Banned at Members Request

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    I'm not in Europe, just from Europe, well, England, just outside Europe.
    The fact you happen to be in Israel doesn't mean you know anything about the country, in fact, you sound rather indoctrinated.
    This is shown by the next part of your post, claiming Israel was always there; it was not.

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    As you will see, the first conquest created the first state of Israel, as it was all those centuries ago, it was destroyed, twice, the second resulting in no large Jewish presence in that land for almost 2,000 years.
    In fact, out of the last 10,000 years, there was no Israel, or even many Jews in the area, for all but about 1,000 years.
    Your theory about it always being Jewish land must ignore history, with special note to another minor fact, Judaism was created about 4,000 years ago.
    In other words, since your religion was created, Jews have only lived there for about 25 %of the time.

    A few questions

    How can the land have always been Israel, if Jews didn't exist 5,000 years ago?
    How can the land have always been Israel if there were no, or very Few Jews living there?
    How can the land belong to immigrants who can't prove that a single member of their family ever lived there?
    Why do Jews, who have no proof their families ever went near Palestine, have right of return, but a Palestinian, with the original deeds to the house he was born in, can't go home?

    Lose the indoctrination, see facts.
     
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    All my information I have about Israel and the Jews I have alot of facts to back me up, and which I already showed you several facts about this area.
    Now lets start from you essmption that the Jews was never here , shell we?

    The evidences of Jews in the Land of Israel started long ago and I will show you them (not chronological):

    1) Mesha monument- this monument have been found in 1868, it descrives the voctory of the Moabit on Israel kingdom, which occourd in the 9th century BC. The stele was written in 835 BC.
    Here is the text from the stele:
    2) Tel Dan inscription- it is the first evidence of king David, and it been found in 1993 The inscription comemorates te victory of Aramean king over the two kingdoms- Israel kingdom and the house of David.
    The Tel Dan inscription text:


    3) Khirbet Qeiyafa- in this place was found a huge fortress that it been dated to the 10th century BC, and even some findings have been found in the site, one of them was 4 seeds, that Garfinkel )the Archiologist that found it) sent it to exemine it with Carbon-4, the most eccurate dating there is today, and the test places the pits for a period from the late 11th to the beginning of the tenth century BC. After the finding and the dating of this 4 seeds, 6 more seeds have ben found, and streghthen the dating.

    4) In Mark Twain's book, he reavels that the Land of Israel was godforsaken land, and he only sew a few Arabs in that land and they were Bedouin (=nomads). When Twain came to Jerusalem he sew a majority of Christians and among them there were planty of Jews. It was in 1869.

    5) In the Parsian Empire, the Parsian kings after Cyrus allowed the Jews that lived in the Land of Israel to form an independent Jewish rule, that rule have been called: "Yehud Mdinta."
    The area of the province of Judea (Yehud Mdinta) was about 1,600 square kilometers and there were six Spindles in Yehod Mdinta- Jerusalem, Beit Hakerem, Keilah, Beit Tzor, Mitzpe and Jericho.
    The "president of the province of Judea" was Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel. The first wave of Jewish immigration to Yehud Mdinta was included 50,000 Jews from exile, and one of them was the Jewish leader in Babylon.

    Here it is 5 FACTS about the eistance of Jews in the Land of Israel, where are your facts about the existance of the "Palestinians" in the Land of Israel, I'm eager to hear.
    If you like more evidences about the existance of the Jews in Israel just tell me, and I will provide.




    1) It wasnt always with a Jewish habitation, but yes if you will exemine how long Jews have been in the Land of Israel you will see it is far more years then the Arabs, which they first foot stumpped in the Land of Israel in the 7th century AD, simple. until the time that the Jews came to that land it been habitated with nations that been no more exist.
    2) The Jews have been in Israel, when the Arabs came to this land (7th century) Jews have been here with Christians.
    3) Do you have evidences that each Arab that lie in Israel/Gaza/the West Bank is the decendens of "Palestinians" that they say that "Palestinians" always been here? Abu Mazen have Jurdanian passport and even pertisipated in the elections there several years ago. In Gaza Hamas leaders say that the majority of the Arabs there are Egypteans and the Arabs in Gaza belong to Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
    4) You have alot of Arabs in the West Bank that have Israeli citizenship and can enter Israel whenever they like and to go to their family's house. you probably dont know it.


    Lose the indoctrination, see facts.
     
  3. Indofred

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    Gosh, 10th century BC.
    Abraham, the best we can tell, was born around1852-1872 BCE.
    Let's call that 4,000 years ago, just for the sake of easy maths.

    So, assuming Jews have it right and the dude is the father of all Jews, you lot are no more than 4,000 years old, therefore didn't own (*)(*)(*)(*) until then because your religion hadn't been invented.
    Get this one, there were no Jews; they didn't exist.

    So, as I've already posted a timeline, we know that Jews were only common in Palestine for about 1,000 years, or about 25% of the time, and you first took the land as spoils of war.
    You were booted out but, a few thousand years later, a bunch of people claiming to be the same lot, decided to invade again, telling the world it was their god given right to remove the people that had been there for the previous 2,000 years.

    Basically, you claim to be better than anyone else, and that pisses people off; hence the mass persecution of Jews over the centuries.

    The land wasn't always Israel, Jews didn't even exist 4,000 years ago; you just wander in, take what you want, destroy lives and claim god told you to do it.
    Mental wards are full of people "god" instructed to do things.
     
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    Ok' and...?
    I mean I talked about the 10th century, the time of House of David, please refer to what I've been written to you and stop mix things up.

    10th century BC, 9 century BC, 11th century BC, 8th cebtury BC, in all of those centories you have an archiological finds about Jewish rituals.
    get the facts right before assuming something it aint true.

    BTW- God is the father of ALL HUMEN BEIGNS! it doesnt metter if they are Jews or Christians or Muslims (and i'm not a religious man! i'm far from it).

    And I showed you an ARCHIOLOGICAL FINDS and historical facts about Jews living in the Land of Israel, why cant you refer to it? stop ignoring history!
    Please boy, be serious and stop ignoring history!

    BTW- if you will read the Declaration of Independence you will see that ben written there that Israel want to live in peace with all of their neighbor countries and want to promote cooperation with them.

    I dont claim Jews are better then anyone! where did you get it?

    I'M SAYING that Jews like Christians and Muslims are all the same (without the radicals), and they are all humen beings, they have same blood, same brain, same everything, but yes if someone, anybody, that want to kill me and hurt me (even Jewish) so myself or my country need to stop them ASAP.

    The Land of Israel before it been called "Palestine" by Hadrian, it been called Judea, It is sad that you dont know that fact!

    I dont want the whole Land of Israel, I just want to live in my country in peace, without the need to defened myself 24/7, is that too much to ask? everyone want it, dont you think?

    I dont care about god, I care about facts!
     
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    And where was Israel in the intervening 2000 years since that map? Oh yes, nowhere to be seen.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    So, using your 'logic', the Roman Empire which hasn't existed in name for 2000 years gives Italians the right to claim England as their own, just because a bunch of Romans once conquered Britain and lived here?
     
  8. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Why? because that I'm a Jew it means automaticly that I need to care about god without no hasitation?
    Jews are humen being, like every single parson on this earth, and they are not robots that you could progrem that all of them will be ultra orthodox and all that, YOU ARE GENERELIZING! not good.


    Once again- do you know the history of this region? because your answers to me show that you not really know the history.

    Israel have been established as a state in 1948, after the vote in the UN for the acceptnace on Israel to be a Jewish state, it is not because wars.
    The wars you are talking about, took place AFTER Israel extablishment.

    DO you read what I gave you? because apparently you dont. Because if you do you would see that I already gave you archiological finds that show you that a Jewish rule was existing in the Land of Israel for many years (aka House of David, kingdom of Israel, Yehud Mdinta etc.)
    That asamption means that you dont know the history of this region- start read about it.
    The Jews didnt steal anything. Jews have been in the Land of Israel years before 7th century, the time when the Arabs came to that place as NOMADS!!



    The US and the UK started together a wat against Iraq because there were the presence of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein's regime, that was the main reason why the US and the UK started together a wasr in Iraq, against Saddam Hussein.
    The other reason was because there was an assamptiion about Saddam joined Al Qaeda.

    Now you are compering the Jews with the Nazis- ARE YOU SERIOUS?
    Israel have the legitimacy as a state from the UN, if you have a problem with that go to the UN and ask the them why they agreed to it;)
    Build illegaly? in the West Bank right? well Israel is only building houses in area C, which is under full Israeli rule, according to Oslo Accords, Area A and B are under "Palestinian" cavilian rule (and area B there is an acceptnace from the Arabs that the IDF will be present in area B) and If you dont believe me read Oslo Accords.

    Now you are once again compering with Nazis and Jews- you can do it, Jews are not like Nazis, get it out of your mind.

    So you are against Israel as a state and no "just against the Jews extremists" like you said to HBendor.
    I suggest you to be more consistent with what you say to people;)
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Did Italians been in England all across history? no
    Did Jews been in the Land of Israel all across history? yes

    There is a "tiny" difference with the existance of Italians in England, when the Roman Empire rule there, with the facts that Jews were always bee in the Land of Israel, which tha Arabs only came to this land in the 7th century as NOMADS, and not as "Palestinians".

    Show me evidences about the existance of "Palestinians" as a nation across history (like they say so).
    BTW- the Arabs fanatics say also that the first man alive in earth was Muslim, just saying.
     
  10. Indofred

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    Yes, expanding Jewish lands by violence after the UN, not the local population, voted to allow a Jewish state.
    Personally, I think they should have asked the people who lived there.

    Yes, you were there years ago, but what about the 2,000 year gap? - you seem to be missing that bit out.

    You may or may not realise, there were no WMDs and no link to AQ and Saddam. They were both lies.


    I did not - I realise your English is a bit rubbish so I'll simply leave you with the correction.

    I am. You don't see me post against Jews in General, more against extremists, as I equally condemn all other extremists.
    The fact there are Muslim and Christian extremists doesn't excuse mass murder by the IDF, on the orders of your extremist government.

    Sadly, such as the poster I answered above, they try to suggest being anti Israeli and anti Jewish extremism is being anti Jew in general.
    This is a common lie used by people who can't defend their position by reasonable means or facts.

    So, will you answer my question; if Jews were there all the time, or even if Israel was always there, where were Jews there in any number for only 25% of the time Judaism has existed?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I know that the local population voted to allow a Jewish state, but the UN, that what i said.
    The UN asked the people who lived there if they want a state to hemselves (the Jewish side and the Arab side), and the answer was yes from the Jewish side and a big NO from the Arab side, I see you are ignoring that fact.



    There was no 2,000 years gap! Jews even after the exile (the 2,000 years you are talking about) Jews were still here- you seem to be missing that bit out. ;) And for that you have evidences.


    I know that they were both lies, it been discovered later, but that was the two main reasons why the US with the UK went to war against Iraq.


    But you did compare (for my opinion), because your logic tells you that the Jews were force invaded this region, so you wanted frm me to answer your questtion aobut the Nazis "NO" and then you could tell me that "if you dont agree with hitler's action how could you agree with what the Jews did?"

    BUT if I got it all wrong, and you really didnt compare between them, so why did you brought the Nazis up?

    I understand what you are writing, dont worry.


    Does it ecxuse mass murder by Hamas?
    BTW- the IDF, with his current attacking, didnt kill 1 innocent Arab in Gaza, only terrorists, but if you will look with the fanatics in Gaza you will see that just several days ago one rocket landed in Gaza, and the result was killing a baby girl, by Arab fanatics. why dont you condemn that case?

    If my government was really extremist, they would already destroyed Gaza to the ground, but LUCKILY they are not in the Israeli government.
    just couple days ago Bibi gave and ultimatum of 48 hours, which warn Hamas of launching more rockets against Israel, and the rockets continue launching and the IDF didnt retaliate.


    I already gave you planty of facts about Jews, you just ignoring. I have planty of facts about Israel, just give me the chance to provide you them :)


    Judaism is the oldest monotheistic religion in the world, without Judaism there were no Christianty and Islam. (thats a fact dont worry).
    For example, Christianty, in the period of Jesus, was only a Jewish religious stream, and the one that promoted it to be seperated from Judaism wasnt Jesus, but it was Orpheus.

    You need to realize that I know that the Arabs should live in the Land of Israel too, it is not just the territory for Jews only, but when the Arabs want an imaginary state, which dont have history to relay on, its absurd.
    "Palestine" is a fiction, there wasnt one across history, and there wasnt any evidence through history about the "palestinians"

    BTW- the PLO ("Palestinian Liberation Organization") that always said that they the right of existance of the state of "palestine" was founded in 1964- 3 years before the so called Israeli occupation. HOW COME? I'm waiting for your answer.
     
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    UN resolution 181 totally ignored the wishes of the Palestinians, who were well known to oppose the creation of Israel.
    Israel expanded through war, occupying more land and illegally settling that land in direct violation of all law except Israeli law.
    As a note, Iraq was attacked for one violation of a UN resolution - how many does Israel have against it?
    Try looking up resolution 446. Israel quotes UN resolutions that suit it, but ignores the ones they don't like.
    You may also care to look up UN resolutions regarding Palestinian refugees.
    Ask yourself this, if there was no Palestine, why were there refugees?
    It's easy enough. Your expansion displaced an entire population.
    Do you think that's reasonable and, if yes, why would an Arab attack that destroyed Israel be unreasonable?
    Now to Arabs welcome in Israel.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...on-abbas-to-recognize-israel-as-jewish-state/
    Adolf Hitler demanded Nazi Germany become an Aryan state - is there so much difference?

    The moment anyone declares an area to be the homeland of one group, you have a nasty problem. It keeps being tried and always ends up with mass murder and wars.
    Israel is guilty of so much but gets away with it because of American taxpayers' money.
    That will dry up sooner or later and there will be more wars.
    Sadly, as is common with wars against an oppressor, lots of civilians get killed.
    I'd get out of Israel now so you won'r get caught up in the terrible events to come.
     
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    There was no Palestinians during the 181 they were an Arab minority.
    The nomenclature <Palestinian> was coined in 1964 by Arafat and Nasser... It is high time for you to open a book and read, understand the intricacies of the whole situation and the reasons two Mandates were given to the British one they called Mesopotamia and the other Palestine... both names were wrong for Mesopotamia became Iraq and Palestine became Israel... To come here with a chip on your shoulder as if you knew what you are trying to say is rubbish from beginning to end.

    Another Mandate was given to the French (at least this one was correct) the Mandate for the Levant (Syria/Lebanon)... This was a free lesson...
     
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    But wrong in one basic fact.
    You totally ignore the mass illegal immigration into Palestine and the displacement of the residents by those Jewish invaders.

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    You'll notice the Jews were using Nazi comments back then.

    No matter how much you ignore it, Jewish mass illegal immigration to Palestine happened, and you'll notice the Jews called it Palestine.
     
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    Utter rubbish, Palestine had political parties referring to themselves as Palestinian, cash crops, roads and ports all before Israel came about.

    And arab population growth is almost entirely natural as proven by the most relevant study of the time by Justin McCarthy.

    You extreme zionists always ignore indepedent study.
     
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    I'm not ignoring that, you are ignoring the fact about the partitiopn plan that the Arabs rejected- the UN didnt ignored anything, the UN seggusted to the Arabs a state near Jewish state, which they even didnt want and the Arabs didnt talked about until 1948 (its a historical fact)
    Why are you IGNORING that?

    Lets test it ok?
    Israel dont violeteed International law, here some evidences:
    * The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory- Israel does not implement sovereignty over the area A and In area B there is not Israeli civilian rule- which means DONE
    * Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period - Israel across their history tried to implement a peace treaty with the Arabs according to the West Bank and Gaza but there was always Arab opposition about it, and you could sew it when Olmert seggested to Abu-Mazen the most generous preliminary agreement and Abu-Mazen didnt signed with him, or even whole of the things that Arafat wanted was suggested to him and he didnt want to sign.
    * The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.- done, the IDF never interepted the laws that the PA ruled inside of Areas A and B, they only does things that threat Israel's security.
    * The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.- the IDF does the exact thing and only takes measures on terrorists, and also of course the Oslo Accords.
    * To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation- done- Israel sends ingredients either Gaza nor the West Bank and also provide medical care, and in the West Bank if Arab gets hurt the soldiers there give him madical care.
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    * The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupiers armed forces- they dont want and it doesnt happen
    *Collective or individual forcible transfer of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited- the IDF doesnt do it, maybe it did but no longer.
    * Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited- Israel is building houses in Area C, but as we all know Area C is under civilian and military rule, so it means that is not an occupeid territory (Oslo Accords)- DONE
    * Collective punishment is prohibited- the IDF doesnt do it
    * The taking of hostages is prohibited- the IDF only takes terrorists for investigation, but not as hostage, several hours after the investigation they let the terrorist go- DONE
    * Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited- Israel doesnt encourage it, on the contrary, Israel is arresting individuals that do it.
    * The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities- the IDF doesnt do it, and when they did do it it was ok because it was required be military necessity- DONE
    * Cultural property must be respected- Israel doesnt encourage it, on the contrary, Israel is arresting individuals that do it.
    * People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charged with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible)- the IDF arrests those who been charged with a specific offence and the IDF puts them on a trial- DONE
    * Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty- the IDF allows International Red Cross to carry out their humanitarian activities (and I sew it with my own eyes)

    Source: http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm


     
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    So true.

    We are expected to gush in tears for every little Israeli death that happens the same way we are expected to gush at every single American soldiers death, and yet the people on the other side die in the hundreds of thousands outside of combat situations, and nothing is said of them but scorn. They are terrorists, insurgents, etc.

    It's days like this were you just can't stomach Israel. It's a criminal state that validates itself by whining at the violence it creates. Utterly racist, militaristic, and inexcusable.
     
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    To be fair, the israeli's are just doing what the european colonies did throughout the last 500 years, no different to what america is and no different to what south africa is although south africans seem to be taking control now. The israelis learnt from the americans on how to take over someones land forcibly. Look how many americans love their country, same as ppl who support israelis just that israelis colonization is more recent. they obviously think that if they can survive another 300 years in Israel they'll be where america is today.
     
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    Indeed. I don't disagree.

    I also know that America's treatment of the Indians was the (or one of the) inspiration behind Hitler's treatment of the Jews. It is sad, but I don't think there will be a reversal of the general policies being undertaken by either state for decades. The Palestinian's and all those people who suffer under the US, Israel, Russia, China...all of them will suffer for decades to come.
     
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    Bunko... Jews OWN their country!
    Jews cannot colonize what is theirs!!
    There was NO ARAB/Palestinian State before the RECONSTITUTION of the <LAND OF THE JEWS>!!!
    The Arab fixation on a Caliphate to commemorate the Seventh Century Arab Conquest!!!!

    There is a <RECONQUISTA> in full bloom right now and the <faux/imaginary> Arab State will turn into ashes for they are all threading deep in some <quick sand>.
     
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    Sure, just as the Boers once owned South Africa and just as Euro-Americans own the Americas. As we see in South Africa though, it can reverse back to the *original owners

    *note that is not indigenous, just the original owners which were Arabs. Obviously before the Arabs it was Afrikans (AEgypt) but thats another issue.
     
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    You dont expected to gush in tears for the Israelies, but yes you should see what is really happening in Israel without Arab filters. I dont need your trears or anybody else!

    Meanwhile in the operation that is happening in Gaza the ones who get killed is terrorists, like the head of the Islamic Jihad or like one of the commanders of Hama's commando forces.
    You should need to realize that you wouldnt put up with attacks that launches at your state daily without fighting back.
    If you dont know but the ones that started attacking is the fanatics in Gaza, after the kiddnaped of the 3 Israeli children and the murdering of them the fanatics ctarted to launched rockets thoward Israel.
    Any other country would put up with attacking their cevilians. EACH COUNTRY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF!
     
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    Well I will play your game for a little while...
    If they had all of that, they had a government, a flag and they were independent... who was their leader?
    Who represented them in the League of Nations...? Better yet let me make that Japanese guy give you a civic lesson on the subject matter.

    Click here : http://www.middleeastfacts.com/yashiko/


    The PALESTINIANS through the EYES of JAPANESE by Yashiko Sagamori

    If you're absolutely sure that "Palestine is a country with ancient and rich history, you should without hesitation to answer some of these questions: when and by whom was created in Palestine?

    It was located in what borders?

    What were the name of the capital and most important city?

    What was the basis of its economy?

    What currencies are accepted in this country?

    What language is spoken by the Palestinians?

    What is the structure of its Government?

    Who was the leader of the Palestinian people to Yasser Arafat?

    Was there ever Palestine (past or present) is officially recognized by the State?

    Let me give a task to "backfill": choose any day in the history of the world and tell me how that day was a Palestinian currency exchange rate against the US dollar or the German mark, British pound sterling or Japanese yen.

    And, finally, because today there is no such State, tell me what is the cause of their destruction, and when it happened.

    And if you say that Palestinians were once proud nation ", in support of his contention, you have to explain when this nation was especially" proud "and the actuall proud.

    Ask, perhaps even one sarcastic question. If this people, that you mistakenly call "Palestine", really is a people, but are not Arabs, collected (or discarded) from around the Arab world; If they really have their own ethnic identity, why before the six day war, 1967 (when the Arab world was soundly defeated) they didn't even try to assert his independence?

    I hope you can's resist the temptation to tie the modern Palestinians "mentioned in the Torah pli&#353;tim (Philistines). In this case, a certain phonetic consonance has no etymological roots.

    The truth should be obvious to anyone who wants to know and understand. And is it that Arab countries never gave up the idea of destroying Israel. They are making this dream come true today.

    Several times they tried to carry out their sinister plans by military means. But in vain, they failed. Then they decided to set up a terrorist organization with a very cynical name &#8212; the Palestinian people. And scattered the people in Gaza, Judea and Samaria.

    In fact, the Arabs who settled in Gaza, Judea and Samaria, have far fewer rights in statehood and the status of the nation than, say, the Seminole Indian tribe of Connecticut, which has decided to open a tax-free casino. This tribe is at least positive and motivated purpose. Unlike the representatives of the Indian tribe, the so-called Palestinian people has only one motivation &#8212; the destruction of Israel. So in fact the "Palestinian people" is nothing but a terrorist organization, which one day will be disarmed and dismantled.

    Any, most generous concessions "to the Palestinians, to respond to any allegations of conditions to establish peace in the Middle East. This is the only way. Arab countries should recognize its defeat in the war with Israel and the underdog status is required to pay reparations for 50 years Israel's repeated attempts to destroy the country.

    The most appropriate form of reparation is the removal from the territory of Eretz Israel a terrorist organization and the recognition of Israel's historical right to sovereignty over Gaza, Judea and Samaria.

    This will be the end "of the Palestinian people".

    Just don't try to convince someone that the proposed me how to solve the Middle East conflict as "cruelty" and "barbarism". Because in case you'll be pushing, you'll have to explain when and how this nation "was formed. And this, I assure you &#8212; overwhelming, task ....

    Site material "by Yashiko Sagamori" translated from English by Yashiko Sagamori, a consultant on technology transfer information, author of many articles on the Middle East lives in New York.

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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    I can't doubt there are fanatics, but they live under occupation. Brutal occupation. Under those conditions, fanatics are born. Israel's problems are created by it's own policies. It would be like a slave master complaining that his slaves keep revolting against him. Their revolt, in his mind, justifies their slavery.

    Arab's are not filtering our media. I'm sure they would if they could, but they do not. By far, Israel filters our media and our politics. Anything can and has been said about people in the ME (not just Arab's). Their have been pundits and some seated officials openly calling for the nuclear option regarding various states. However, if that person were to discuss using the open option against Israel, he would be met with severe reprimand, his job and the funding of the channel he worked for jeopordized, etc. You'd have to find a courageuos person, indeed, who is a media pundit or journalist who would criticize Israel on their human rights or militaristic nature. On Youtube, the delete accounts for criticizing Israel. In many countries, it's illegal to criticize the Holocaust official story.

    I'm sorry, but to state there is an Arab bias in the US in the media is not realistic. At the most, people who oppose are just war-weary or angered that so much resources is being poured into these campaigns.
     
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    Ho Ho Ho.

    It was located in what borders?
    Roughly within the Levant.

    What were the name of the capital and most important city?
    Jerusalem.

    What was the basis of its economy?
    Cash crops.

    What currencies are accepted in this country?
    Various.

    What language is spoken by the Palestinians?
    Arabic.

    What is the structure of its Government?
    Foreign Imperial.

    Who was the leader of the Palestinian people to Yasser Arafat?
    Various.

    Was there ever Palestine (past or present) is officially recognized by the State?
    By what state?

    Let me give a task to "backfill": choose any day in the history of the world and tell me how that day was a Palestinian currency exchange rate against the US dollar or the German mark, British pound sterling or Japanese yen.

    Used both Ottoman and British currencies, currently uses dollars and shekels.

    And, finally, because today there is no such State, tell me what is the cause of their destruction, and when it happened.

    Take your pick; 1921, 1936, November 1947, May 1948, June 67.


    And if you say that Palestinians were once proud nation ", in support of his contention, you have to explain when this nation was especially" proud "and the actuall proud.

    No need. No one has to explain that.

    Ask, perhaps even one sarcastic question. If this people, that you mistakenly call "Palestine", really is a people, but are not Arabs, collected (or discarded) from around the Arab world; If they really have their own ethnic identity, why before the six day war, 1967 (when the Arab world was soundly defeated) they didn't even try to assert his independence?

    Theyd been defeated in 36 and expelled in 47, thats why. They asserted it before 1947 by repeatedly demanding independence.

    I hope you can's resist the temptation to tie the modern Palestinians "mentioned in the Torah plištim (Philistines). In this case, a certain phonetic consonance has no etymological roots.

    Made up out of thin air was it?

    Demographics prove that be nonsense dear boy.

    Those indians fought the europeans too.

    Theyre not going anywhere, eretz Israel was ended years ago by Menachim Begun.

    No need to explain how it was formed.
     

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