Living in the USA: 1970 vs 2020, better or worse?

With fertility drugs and the resulting multiple births (twins triplets etc), I am not so sure that we do in fact have much of a lower infant mortality rate unless you want to compare it to a very long time ago. Infant mortality has been extremely low for a very long time now, and not likely to have much of an impact on overall life expectancy.

Yes younger people are fatter ( I think it is about 15 lbs per person on average in recent decades), but that doesnt mean that you can summarily declare that they will not make it to old age with a wave of your hand. That is a baseless statement. Truth be known, todays young people will probably see effective weight loss drugs before the overwhelming majority of them get to an age where their obesity starts to kill them in large numbers, and medical technology continues to improve by leaps and bounds

To predict that an average weight gain of 15 lbs is going to make people die 20 years sooner is preposterous. Who told you that?

 

Nonsense. Had your vaccines - thank Trump, your portfolio and retirement accounts near record highs - thank Trump. Economy enjoying a V-shaped recovery - thank Trump. Unemployment rate better than it was during 2/3s of Obama/Biden term? Thank Trump. Biden got elected - hold your breathe.

 

I agree with you that life in America for most of us is better than in the 1970s.

Here we are goofing off communicating with people that live thousands of miles away on an expensive machine that we wouldn't believe was imaginable about 50 years ago.

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I don't know about you, but my life expectancy now is a lot less than it was in the 1970s...

Finally, the term "Lifetime guarantee" is not as much of a persuasive sales pitch as it was in the 1970s.

 

Nope. I'm finally breathing again without having to worry about the most incompetent President in US history effing things up.

 

Statically, it does. Adding a factor of 0 makes a significant difference. Infant mortality is less than half of what it was in 1970.



Life expectancy for the obese is reduced by up to 5 years for females and 20 for males. I did not wave my hand; I researched it.

Your next statement is disturbing. Increased consumption of pharm products does not make people healthier or Americans would be healthier than ever. Results show that Americans are fatter and sicker than ever in spite of record consumption of pharm products.

Obesity is not the result of a deficiency of weight loss drugs.

 

Our college campuses are cesspools of socialist ideology, critical race theory and reverse racism is a rampant plague upon our rational and civil society, rioting in Portland Oregon represents the platform of the Democrats?

Granted, the "all of our major metropolitan populations are scum" rhetoric was pure hyperbole on your part, but many of our cities could be described as violent, deteriorating, poorly and recklessly misgoverned shitholes...

In other words, don't believe our lying eyes.

While I personally don't believe that things are worse in now than they were in 1970, in many respects it can be argued that things are worse, and while we don't have a draft and the NG isn't shooting kids, we do have BLM and TotallyFa and our troops dying in the mountains, fields and cities of Afghanistan and elsewhere.

They should be everyone's concern. Why aren't they yours - because you and your fellow travelers are sympathetic towards violent Leftist hate groups and their ideologies?

That's an honest question.

No, Cruciferous Vegetable Joe and the wing nuts around him aren't actually trying to move forward a long overdue federal program to refurbish Ike's highways and if they were there would be consensus on at least most of it.

No doubt Russia and China laughed and smiled at their useful idiots on the Left for the past four years. I doubt they're laughing at the Righties who know damned well they don't have our best interests in mind, despite Joe Biden's prattle about how the communist genocidaires in China are nothing for us to be concerned about.

 

- 1970 is 50 years ago, which is a long time, as I said. They havent changed much in 40 years and almost none in 20. Even if we go all the way to 1970... So you went from 22 per thousand to 6. Adding 78 years to an additional 16 people out of a thousand has a small impact on overall life expectancy. By my calculation that adds about 1.2 years and that is going back 50 years to find that stark of a difference. (1000 people with a life expectancy of 78 years is 78000 man years. Adding in 16 surviving infants at 78 years apiece is 1248 years. 78000-1248=76752; 78000-76752=1248; 1248/1000 equals 1.248 years)

If you go back 20 which is the time I referred to with booming fertility clinics, infant mortality is basically the same.



-Please share your research. Dont just tell about it. Does barely being obese with a BMI of 30 take 20 years off of life?, or does being 500 lbs? The devil is in the details, and until you share exposure to the details your claims are nothing more than a wave of your hand. I am happy to look over what you have.

-I did not specifically say that consuming pharma makes people healthier. I said that it helps the elderly live longer, which is what in part accounts for the rising life expectancy. Please do not falsely put words into my mouth. I will not do that to you, and you dont do that to me. Deal? Your "people are fatter than ever" comment has not one thing to do with anything that I said. Of course people are fatter than ever, and I said not one thing to the contrary.

-By stating that there will probably be effective weight loss drugs before todays young people get old, in no way, shape, or form means that obesity is the result of a deficiency of weight loss drugs. In fact, for you to take that meaning out of my words is an utterly bizarre conclusion. Similarly, strokes are not the result of a deficiency of anti platelet meds, but the advent of such is highly effective at preventing and minimizing future strokes. Just because certain drugs effectively treat certain conditions, does NOT mean that those conditions are the result of a deficiency in that effective drug. Such an inference is shockingly strange.

 

WORSE!

As in expressing a "truth"
not approved by PC society

That Expression could cost YOU your job
Get It Or Not
with so few news outlets

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No More Al Jazeera and RT on my "cable"
PLEASE go figure

Now Look To The Internet for "honest" news
and not " Yahoo.com " !

 

The thread specifically compares 1970 vs 2020 and while the terms "better" and "worse: are subjective, a forum member made the false claim that life expectancy is improving. Obesity has tripled over 50 years and continues to grow.

My replies are not attempts to change your words; they are meant to counter your position. The solution to obesity is not complicated and does not come from a pharmacy.




https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20181210lifeexpectdrop.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/125...sity and overweight in,of death at older ages.
https://usafacts.org/articles/obesity-rate-nearly-triples-united-states-over-last-50-years/

 

I can see you are struggling to filter out the obvious and hang on to your agenda, but regarding the post, as Dirty Harry once said- "You're deodorant ain't cutting it".

 

-Fair point about the thread being about 1970 which I overlooked. Although I did still address 1970, and the reality is the infant mortality decrease since 1970 accounts for just over a year out of the roughly 8 year increase in life expectancy since 1970. Therefore, as I alleged from the beginning, infant mortality is but a small portion of the increase.

-In regards to the links, where will I find the information about the data that says being obese will take 20 years off of life? The details here are important. I have no doubt that being 500 pounds could easily take 20 years off of life expectancy. I do doubt however that the average 15 pounds of weight gain (or even if we doubled that to 30lbs) in recent decades would remove 20 years from life expectancy. It seems to me like you are conflating all levels of obesity into one. The devil is in the details.

 

I agree, but try telling these new McCarthyite/Trumpist imbeciles who now run the GOP. They still think there is a Communist/Marxist boogeyman behind every bush and around every corner. At the height of the Cold War there was a small contingent of over the top paranoid John Birchers on the right wing of the Republican Party. Now, paranoid delusional imbeciles run the party and they have three 24 hour news networks pumping out hate and fear 24/7/365.

 

IMO...your post is ironic. The left here at PF knock anyone that is a Trump supporter and to a slightly lesser extent anyone on the right. Pretty much anyone on the right is considered racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist and a host of other things, doesn't matter if they actually are or not. We have leftists here literally calling Trump supporters insurrectionists, anti-American and the biggest threat to the nation.

Left or right, doesn't matter. Both blow things out of proportion and take things to the extremes when talking about the other side. Nevermind that the vast majority of both sides are not any of the things mentioned in your post or mine.

 

https://www.medscape.com/answers/123702-11510/does-obesity-reduce-life-expectancy

Keep in mind, obesity is growing.

Obesity is not the cause of death. It leads to more serious diseases like heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer, etc.

 

see related thread here:
How much has GDP really increased since 1970 ?

 

You may be a little premature on that: Biden's got 3 1/2 years left.

 

It's why the minions are showing up to these school board meetings setting their hair on fire over CRT. It is so they can keep their children in the dark, to keep them compliant with what they believe the Bible teaches.

Technically, anyone is capable of being consumed by this type of cultish behavior given the right circumstances. That's why they "love bomb" new faces that show up to their Bible studies or church. It's a process that develops over time. They know they need to constantly recruit because they are losing the culture wars. They see themselves as the New Children of Israel and martyrdom is highly celebrated. It's a recipe for disaster we have seen many times before.

 

Memorial Day weekend and Labor Day weekend I'd often be headed to Yosemite's Camp Mather via Reno/395. Speaking of freeways there was one time that I had a rental car and was driving the route rather than riding as a passenger and my buddy in Reno was in front of me and he had two bikes on the top of his car and a wheel came loose and bounced along the highway and rolled up against the divider. I was far enough back that I saw clearly where it came to rest and I had enough time to pull over on the right side of the road. Fortunately it wasn't very busy at that particular time and I was able to run over and get the tire. We stopped in Carson City and found a bike shop that replaced the tube that got blown out, and rolled on down the road.

Mono Lake, epic, Wish I Was There, and Lee Vining and that sweet drive up 120 and the amazing fish tacos at the freaking Mobil gas station. That drive back down 120 is a bitch.

 

Tioga is a great ride, but I haven't stopped in Yosemite for ages - too many people. Ebbetts Pass (4) is my favorite. Took that back from Lodi a few years ago. And Mono Lake was an eventual destination one day when we ended up doing some long distance bar hopping. Lol. You in the Central Valley?

 

Nope. Houston Tx. Always have to fly to get to the good stuff out West.

 

Duh. Yeah, now I remember. Just waking up. "More coffee." Lol.


Went down to Houston in the early '80s with a bud looking for offshore work. No money, just a couple guys in their mid-20s looking for work. It was so hot and humid, we spent most of the afternoon inside a mall, after we decided to take a swim at some Holiday Inn pool. Lol. He stayed, I took a Greyhound home. I've been all through Texas. I like San Antonio - the river is amazing - but you can keep DFW. And for some reason I really can't put my finger on, I liked Corpus. Couldn't have been those huge roaches they were swatting at the downtown Whataburger.

 

Why do you keep acting as if someone is claiming that obesity does not cause health problems? Of course it does, and nobody is in need of your statement of the obvious that obesity leads to strokes, heart disease, diabetes etc. The problem is that you are loosely throwing around numbers like 20 years which would apply to someone that is 500 or 600 lbs, when in reality, the average weight in this country has increased by about 15 pounds in recent decades and in addition to increasing obesity it is also a function that people are getting taller as time passes. I asked you for details about the 20 year claim, and just as I suspected, there are none provided. It is just a vague statement. Of course people can be so obese that it can take 20 years off their life. Hell, it can take 40 years off some peoples lives, so your vague statement might just as well say 40 because it is a wholly useless number regardless. That is basically saying nothing. Your average weight gain does not lead to taking 20 years off of ones life. You are being a bit of a chicken little in that regard.

How exactly do you think that drastically lower rates of smoking (compared to todays 90 year olds to use your example) is going to impact life expectancy going forward? How are you balancing the increase in obesity versus the drastic decrease in smoking? How exactly do you think that medical innovations are going to continue to impact life expectancy going forward?

Sincerely, what is it that you are trying to claim in regards to life expectancy? Is it your contention that it is going to go up in the coming decades? Do you honestly think that our kids generation will live shorter lives than ours? If that is your position, I think that you are off of your rocker, and do not have the whole of the medical establishment behind your thinking even remotely.

 

This thread was better when the discussion was music ... just sayin' ...

so much negativity ... it's Saturday ... get a buzz ... cook some good food ... throw some music on ... forget politics for a day ...

 

Great....now go home and get your shinebox!

 

Hey, have another drink, it's on me ...