Lock her up! ... Lock her up!... Lock her... oh oh...

If Trump wanted an investigation of Ukrainian corruption the proper way to do that was to ask the FBI, or maybe the CIA. who would have gone through proper diplomatic channels and done it legally within the country being investigated. It's silly to even suggest that you ask the President of the country being investigated to help in the investigation of its own corruption, at least before it's been determined that the same President isn't in on that corruption himself. There ARE legal ways for the USA to investigate foreign countries and this was not one of them.

Trump was very clearly trying to smear Biden and the only real Republican answer we're getting is "**** you, we have the votes" I realize that Trumpers get all warm and fuzzy when they hear that and I just have to ask everyone else, is this how you think the government should treat you?

 

She said she made the mistake because she had someone else set up the whole system. I realize you probably work in the computer field and find these things very simple but older people really just don't. She should have had a better engineer set it up. I also understand you have never, ever made a mistake yourself or even ever hired anyone who did, but she wasn't a conservative and consequently doesn' have the Infallibility Barrier that surrounds all of you

 

She did not notice that server in her closet? Infallibility. That is such a huge mistake that it goes beyond infallibility.

 

To hear Giuliani tell it, he didn't want to poison the investigation. If they were clean, they were clean. But they wanted the Ukrainians to begin the process. Of course, you can take Giuliani's words for whatever grain of salt you'd like, but like him or not he's one of the few central witnesses to this case. Not to mention any of the information Trump's team has.

We'd be reckless to think that there's all the information out there. As the releases from Court showed us, there's going to be more bombshells.

 

She WAS the Secy of State at the time. She might have thought the server was secure wherever it was. Again it was determined by a rather thorough investigation that she didn't know she was doing anything wrong. I think the same things were done later by Ivanka and Jared and I didn't hear any chanting about them.

 

She claimed she set up the server because she knew she needed to communicate, but did not know how. If I was in that position, I would use an existing system, not create a whole new complicated system. Then when they decide on a server, they put it in her house where no one in the house knows how to operate it. Logic says you put it somewhere that they can service and keep it operating. Everything about it defies logic. It is called control and she was willing to jeopardize US security to get it.

 

Do I sense the smell of desperation in the air?

 

Well, this is your opinion. Nancy Pelosi is far from an "idiot." She is in complete control of the Democratic caucus and a very competent tactician. She outplays Trump every time and McConnell is an even up adversary. The House is in the Democrats hands and running fine. Dems spent little political capital while The Republicans have a played a losing hand with the public perception of a rigged trial.

When did the government "fall apart?" It was doing fine under Obama. A few rough spots but "no drama Obama" kept this quiet and level. What happened?

 

Mitch McConnell, as shown by his public statements, begs to differ.

Good for Nancy! Because before she did what she did Republicans in the Senate would get everything they wanted.

Absolutely right! Fortunately it's only political capital. Not patriotic capital. I will gladly give up all partisan aspirations in exchange for protecting our laws, our constitution and our Country. Even if we fail, trying is very much worth it.

Republicans, on the other hand, may gain tons of political capital. Trump might even cheat himself into winning another election. But their lack of patriotism will be written forever in History.

 

republican used personal email too in the Bush admin, as have the Trump children in the white house, not to mention they used the whatsup app

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/f...egulation-hillary-clinton-allegedly-violated/

"1) Did Clinton break any laws by using a private email account, exclusively or otherwise?

No. And we’ve known about her private email for a couple of years now after it was originally reported by Gawker. So, old news. Also, guess which lawmaker made sure personal email usage was permitted in the amendments to the Federal Records Act last year? Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA)."


of course using personal email pales in comparison to the things this administration has done

if republican want to make it a crime for gov employees in the whitehouse to use personal email, pass a law making it a crime... simple

 

Well, thing is: It's only Patriotic Capital among your base. That's what this 50/50 virtually is. Half of the country think he's committed impeachable offenses, and the other half doesn't. You might get a majority to agree that his actions weren't acceptable, but there's a viable alternative that was called censureship. Pelosi, refused to be a responsible Speaker of the House.

But at least we agree that this 50/50 act, based on something that's not conclusive will ultimately destroy a lot of political capital. In which case, Liberals don't get to complain if a big tax hike isn't passed, or medicare for all doesn't see the light of day. You spent all that on "IMPEACH #45."

What has come out, does indeed want me to hear more witnesses. But guess who's role that was? The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. And their argument that the courts would take too long was defeated in Kupperman, where a few days ago that case was decided. They couldn't wait a couple of weeks? But we had the Pelosi farce.

If I were McConnell, I'd call out Speaker Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Jerrold Nadler. The House lied to us both about the imperativeness of speed, and that the courts weren't a remedy.

 

Wrong! McConnell has publicly stated that he will not an impartial juror. Any patriotic human being understands the message.

Half of the country thinks he deserves to be impeached. The other half is divided between those who think that he doesn't, and those who have not made up their minds.

Fifty percent is the threshold to impeach, according to the Constitution. Translated as a simple majority vote in the House. That part has been met.

But here is the question that some of us have gotten wrong (and I include myself, but I have corrected) The question is not if Trump has committed impeachable offenses. There is no doubt that he has. The question is if those offenses rise to the level of warranting his removal.

That question requires a higher threshold. It requires more than half of the country. It requires that two thirds of Americans to believe, again not just that he has committed impeachable offenses (because that's a fact). But that the offenses are so serious that his removal is warranted.

But this can only be a requirement in a FAIR trial. In which all the evidence is made available to the Senators and to the American people, so they can decide.

McConnell has threatened to undermine this. If he carries out his threats, the process will be tarnished, this whole administration will be tarnished, the Constitution will be tarnished, and if Trump is re-elected, his second administration will remain tarnished until there is another (and fairer) impeachment.

They will have to appeal to Americans who still care about patriotism to achieve that. Personally, I prefer to be on this side of the aisle. History has shown that the petty victories that narrow-minded people obtain are always feeble and short lived. And if we have to wait a few more years for the people to finally get their rights guaranteed that's fine because acting on the basis of objective moral standards ensures that the guarantees become so solid that not even the most retrogressive will ever undo them.

 

The issue was not the emails, except that classified emails were sent and received on an insecure system. The issue was the server. The server was used to transmit, receive and store classified information. That is against the law.

 

so lets examine all of Trump's kids personal emails, sure we could reclassify some after the fact as classified as well like they did clintons emails

if they are not classified, then they should have no issue releasing them all to the public

3rd party email is even less secure, as they do not know who has access to it, could be foreign outsourced employees for all they know

 

Go ahead and examine them. It has nothing to do with Hilary breaking th law with the server.

 

What is a server? A computer with an extra hard drive or two with a network connection. How hard is it to set it up? Load the software and press play. There are high school students who could do it. One does not have to have physical access to properly maintain it.

Nothing is secure on the internet, it is why smart users isolate their critical systems from the internet.

I’m sure the security of the US was never at risk as any top secret information would have been transferred differently. Once you put something in an email, the chain of custody is lost. The idea of a secure email is kind of a joke.

 

And the fault is on the ENGINEER who should have known better. Again, you want to jail a grandmother for not knowing all the subtleties of cyberwarfare and trusting the six figures and no doubt government-certified installer not to expose her to a criminal penalty but oh yeah, I forget, she's a Democrat.

 

Unclassified is a classification. Thus, there is nothing that is not classified. Saying there was classified information says nothing other than there is information.

 

The claim was that she did this because she was old and not computer savvy.

Nothing is absolutely secure on the internet. However, there are systems which are very difficult to hack and which are monitored real time for hacking. Her system was none of this.

She had at least one document on the server which was above Top Secret. It was among the most closely held secrets. While working at Lockheed Martin. we had a secure email system. It was completely separate from other email systems. Non-secure phones and other non=secure communications systems were kept a required physical distance from. it. To somehow claim that all email systems are alike is patently false.

Neither grandmothers or presidential candidates or democrats are above the law.

 

She had the full range. Unclassified, Confidential, Secret, Top Secret and Special Access. There were around two thousand Confidential and above.

 

Oh bloody just give it a rest willya. JarIva were doing that and more and you've never said one small thing about it. Republicans have treated Hillary worse than Putin treats his opposition. at least he stops poisoning them eventually

 

(Spits coffee)

 

Then investigate Jariva. The FBI investigation found the unclassified server being used for classified material. That is against the law and put the US at jeopardy and according to the FBI, it was most likely hacked.

I have said this before, but just a reminder. I did not vote for Trump or Hilary because neither was worthy of my vote. You can throw the rest of the world in jail and it does not bother me. I like Pence and whoever he picks as his VP and if he is impeached and removed, I will like his VP pick as president and will like whoever he picks as VP. Whether anyone else is guilty of anything or not does not change the fact that Hilary violated the law. That this report actually exonerates Hilary of anything is very doubtful because she clearly did violate the law according to the FBI.

 

Do you believe they are above the law?

 

I believe that any Trumper bringing up that phrase is utterly beyond belief.

Hillary was the bloody Secretary of State, fer Crissake, not some low level bureaucrat. The SecState is about the most powerful Cabinet Secretary there is. They work pretty much right next to the President on a day by day basis and the President, as CINC, is the ultimate arbiter of ALL secrecy. The President knew of her computer layout, or should have, and was unconcerned with it. We pretty much have NO say in the matter if he didn't have a problem. This whole thing was just one more part of the worst campaign of calumny I have ever seen directed at a political candidate in either my direct experience or my entire knowledge of American history. The Republican Party should be ashamed of itself for the 2016 campaign and I only hope that some justice can be done after its present leadership is swept away in 2020.