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Nope. Doesn't apply to my union since we don't offer any medical for members; all members receive their medical through their employers. You get one more chance. Go for it.

 

Why don't the good car manufacturers move there instead of right to work states?

 

Still is union bill crap even though you have a special thing going. It just shows the steps the unions will take for greed

 

Employers don't "set pay". Pay is determined by the market. Supply of labor and demand for that labor sets the price of labor, aka wages. If you are trying to change that metric, by definition you are artificially changing the price. Its not a bad thing. It just is what it is.

 

You haven't asked me a single question about Obamacare, which by the way, I don't support.

 

Strike three! Yer' out!

 

Quote from a union boss. Apparently that flexibility pays off. Toyota has outpaced all of its American competitors working under the UAW.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/business/04uaw.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Why don't the unions just start their own car companies and leave everyone else alone?

 

Labor Unions have government-sanctioned legal privileges and immunities to price fix.

 

Airplane mechanic?

 

Do you have a union patch?

 

You are here talking as a spoke person of unions. Just because your little union doesn't offer healthcare doesn't mean this crap didn't happen. Beside how greedy is your union not to offer any healthcare benefits? Are they racist?

 

Yeah....
They do.

And the corporate fat cats who gave away the store, like the US auto industry never had a hand in that either?

Look, corruption takes more than one, and when everyone found out there was federal money for things like job training and apprentice programs, they held out their greedy little hands too.

Unions have outlived their usefulness. In Canada, which once bragged 70% of the non farm labor force now is less than 25% and 80% of them are public sector.

Don't go looking for "union made" on a house or unions in the hospitality industry, people simply won't pay the extra cost for nothing

 

Did the firm already have room to expand or was the market already at its saturation point?

 

Sorry but your points inferring the marginality of union efforts have the veneer of truth without acknowledging the fact that the canvassing and demonstration initiatives of organized labor brought the issues of child labor, the 40 hour work week and equal treatment for minorities to the forefront of legislative efforts (Ford did not codify the 40 hour workweek into law, that was the efforts of unions and FDR in the Labor Standards Act of 1940). Good try though.

See, you don't hate labor, you just libel its very efforts at every chance.

If it weren't half-truths, innuendo and outright fabrications, you'd be silent on Labor's role in the development humane working conditions.

 

Especially when Americans can freely turn to Chinese worker made products where people get shot for attempting to unionize.

 

Supply and Demand is one metric considered in the bargaining process between Labor and the employer which sets the price of labor. And that's what it is.

Unions bargain for their worth. And then there are guys like you, apparently giving it away to employers because you really know how wages are set.

 

In the free market under perfect competition (IE the real ideal market), supply and demand is the ONLY way wages are set. Anything that is different from that is by definition an artificial modification of the market.

Seriously, get educated in Economics. I'm not putting down unions. They just are what they are. If you don't like the definitions, take it up with the English language.

 

No they do not. Your effort to rise above the fray in some attempt to paint a picture of commensurate parity of blame for inflation between labor and management is pointless. The fact of the matter is that union made products do not increase market prices. That's more propaganda from the monied elites and you chose to internalize it. Unions cause inflation no more than greedy owners.

And unions have not outlived their usefulness. Unions bargain for value with employers. Is bargaining over? I.e., is capitalism over? B/c bargaining for value in free markets is what Capitalism is.

I don't think you thought your positions through thoroughly.

 

Great. You find one instance of perfect competition, level bargaining, and perfect information and then we can talk. You're talking pure fantasy and I'm addressing the real world. I don't need an education from someone like you. I do have an education in economics and the law all you're doing is merely slamming labor unions while professing some innocent observation of your soft science bigotry. Stop that.

And repeating the crap you already posted 10 pages ago doesn't make it any more true. It just makes you look desperate to vindicate your prejudicial convictions. It ain't flying here.

You either have a level bargaining field or you do not. And without labor unions, employers stand supreme in the bargaining process. That's not even debatable, is it?

I don't see you decrying corporations as artificially modifying Supply and Demand? Why is that? Corporations are easily among the most totalitarian / fascist entities around: total top down control. It's the CEO's way or the highway and labor has little to say about it without legally binding collective bargaining. Even with unionized parts of large companies, the CEO and VPs marginalize the union itself as a 'hindrance' to business.

So where's your opinion on corporations upsetting the S&D applecart? You're such a union guy, this shouldn't be difficult.

 

Where do you get that I'm pro-corporations? I'm not. My record on this forum bears that out. They artificially alter the free market too.

And again, just because the market is being artificially altered that is not necessarily bad. Why is that so hard for you to understand? I'm not putting down unions. I am stating neutral facts about the way markets work.

 

No but other businesses followed suit. Now wage earners make less because of it and salaried workers make more.

Also, your unions history is mostly about keeping people out of jobs. Especially if they had brown skin. The unions have an evil history for sure.

 

My goodness, don't you know how to read? Your out!

 

It was an expansion; they tapped into an area not being serviced. It's rare that the market would reach saturation point.

 

Why would I have to negotiate with unions? I compete with them.

I see no indication of me losing - and among the many differences between you and I is the fact that only one of us is being honest about our desire to make friends.

 

Poppycock. One of my best friends owned a Union carpentry shop - one of the largest in Wisconsin - and just closed his doors because the Union Pension obligation was killing his business, along with the ridiculous demands of the Carpenter's Union. Jobs he was quoting were being outbid by nearly 25% by his non-union competitors. His workers understood the issue, and BEGGED him to allow them to work for a lower wage, just so they had work. They were not allowed to do so; the Union blocked the effort.

He closed up; made an arrangement with another friend to once again open up; this time as a NON-union shop. He is acting as an employee - not an owner - to avoid the 5 year union pension clamp. He will become the owner once that period of time is up. Many former employees ditched the union to once again work for him. These employees couldn't get work as Union Carpenters, so they did what they had to do.

FOS. I call BS on you owning anything.

Incredible ignorance of just what it takes to run a business. You don't own crap.

What kind of ignorant psychobabble is that? You're not allowed to RUN a business without designations such as those! LLC? SCorp? CCorp? Do you even know WTF those things ARE?

I want to know what businesses you allegedly own, because your opinions on business are pure bull.