Looking for honest answers from Trump supporters..........

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. TomFitz

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    Yes, this is the response I thought I'd see. I just saw a video at a Steve Bannon event in Cincinatti where a woman actually said that if we have to have a dictator, it should be Trump. The crowd applauded.

    I never ever thought I would live to see a sentiment like that expessed in the United States of America.

    But there it is.

    A substantial part of the US population is perfectly willing, indeed enthusiastic to hand the government and the Constitution to dictator.
     
  2. TomFitz

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  3. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Pray do tell me what I missed.

    Does it say somewhere in there that the cash transfer never happened?
     
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    Exactly. I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton. Flip sides of the same corrupt coin.
     
  5. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election
     
  6. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is a businessman, dealing with property, many hotels around the world. Why is it odd he would want to build one in Russia? Is he obligated to inform the public that he was doing that? I mean Hillary signed away 25% of our uranium to the Russians and got millions from the Russians donated to her charity, did she inform the public of that?

    Is it odd that he would want to keep secret a try out with a couple of prostitutes from his wife. Divorce can get very expensive, especially if your a billionaire.

    But lets look at who you voted for and want to vote for in the next election

    The Democrats are the most corrupted Party there is. Not only back stabbed Bernie Sanders. Fed Hillary the questions to the first debate. Used the IRS to audit Conservative groups that asked for tax exemption. Used the Attorney General and FBI to get charges dropped against Hillary. Paid 12 million dollars for a fake dossier to use against Trump. They want to do away with our Second Amendment. Come out with that crazy new green deal. Drop the voting age to 16. Allow illegals and convicts to vote. Add judges to the USSC. The whole party is filled with nut jobs.

    Do you think the Public would have voted for Hillary if they knew her past?

     
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  7. Par10

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    I didn't vote for Trump but...
    1. Don was in negotiations with Putin (a murdering despot who is our enemy) for a Trump Tower Moscow during the campaign and did not expressly make it known to the public,
    Don't care. He's a business man and that is his business. Was it illegal to put a Trump Tower in Moscow? I don't really think so.

    2. was being investigated by the FBI due to numerous contacts between members of the campaign and Russians beginning in the spring of 2016, contacts that were not disclosed to the authorities by him as they should have been (one of which he tried to cover up by issuing a dishonest press release),
    Is this a leading question? Yes, along with running on. But, I don't see how it matters. It's not illegal to be under investigation or else Hillary would be disqualified also. Perhaps we should we make a law that every politician undergo a 3 year investigation prior to running for office.

    3. paid off two women with whom he had extra-marital affairs to conceal that fact from the American public before the election (for which M. Cohen has plead guilty to violating campaign finance law)..
    Waste of money but if he wants to, I don't care. Clinton did worse and I didn't care. Ted Kennedy did way worse and no one on the left seemed to give two s**ts. Why have Democrats gotten prudish just now?
     
  8. Daggdag

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    I would say his direct dealings with the Russian government could be emoluments violations if they were still being done once he was elected. Profiting off of foreign affairs is considered as such, just like he got in trouble for promising political favors to foreign diplomats if they stayed at his hotels while in the US.

    And while the meetings with Russian officials and intelligence agents were not technically illegal, failing to disclose that the meetings were happening was. A candidate, as well as their campaign staffers, arn't allowed to have dealings with foreign officials without telling the State Department, and disclosing the details of such meetings.
     
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    I am still looking for honest answers from Congressional Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Democrat voters are Sheeple.
     
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    Have you ever read the emoluments clause?

    What does it say?
     
  11. Daggdag

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    It was ruled by SCOTUS that emoluments also includes dealings with foreign governments where a president could personally profit. General busness operations are fine, but if a business gets special treatment becuase it's owned by the President, which has occured numerous times since Trump took office, it can be a violation.

    For example, the Trump organization was given special treatment by the Chinese government. This could be considered a emoluments violation. As could any cases where foreign diplomats stayed in Trump hotels on the promise of political favors or access to the President.
     
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  12. fullmetaljack

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    So you didn’t actually read the article, you’ just making up sh**t. If you had read the article, you would know whose money that actually was.

    Typical. You do know that a lie of omission is still a lie ? Of course you don’t, it’s SOP for trumpettes.

    Dirty Donnie has already accepted help from Putin during the campaign so I would assume he was paying him off.
     
  13. Creasy Tvedt

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    I know exactly what the money was, it was a 40-year-old "debt" that the US supposedly owed to Iran. A debt that no other President prior to Obama had any intention of paying to the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world, because that would be insane, because that would be collusion, because Iran would use the money to fund terrorism, which is exactly what they did with the planeload of US taxpayer money that Obama gave them.

    The money was a bribe to make the insane nuclear deal with Iran(that Trump has since wisely crushed... can't get that money back though)happen. It was also an illegal transfer of money to a belligerent foreign power to make an illegal hostage release happen.

    That's the plain truth of what the money was, but I would love to hear your spin and sugarcoating explanation of what the money was. So let's hear your version of it, please and thank you. Please explain how Obama illegally transferring hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars to a terror-sponsoring government to accomplish an illegal deal is NOT collusion.

    Oh, and it wasn't the only time Obama pulled the trick.

    What would you call it if Trump secretly and illegally transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to Russia under the flimsy pretenses of "debt repayment", "sanctions relief" and/or "humanitarian aid"?

    Would you call it collusion if Dapper Donnie did it?

    Well then, if that really happened, I guess we can expect the indictments and impeachment any day now, right?

    You prepare the celebration, I'll be over here not holding my breath.
     
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  14. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putting aside the moral repugnance of working with a murdering despot in order to get the project done, it isn't at all odd that a morally bankrupt sack of shyte like Don would have no hesitation working with such a man. What makes the attempt unethical is the secretive way it was conducted during a time when a candidate for the presidency was dealing with the leader of a foreign adversary who was helping him get elected.
     
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    Gosh, if you have evidence for all the bull***t you just fabricated , you should get into the hands of Dirty Donnie’s AG.

    But you don’t, so I’ll be over here not holding my breath.
     
  16. Creasy Tvedt

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    Fabricated?

    Lefties, you can lead them to facts, but you can't make them think.
     
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    You mean like this?

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    Like how Obama worked an illegal deal with murdering terrorist despots to get his nuclear deal done? How morally repugnant was that? Pretty darnded repugnant, huh? I'll bet you're thoroughly-disgusted with that glaring example of morally-repugnant collusion, huh?
     
  18. Lee Atwater

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    I realize some people are susceptible to believing the lies and mis-characterizations of right wing media in reporting about the return of Iran's assets in order to secure the nuclear agreement with it, participated in and agreed to by the US and 5 other nations.

    Iran Nuclear Deal: Debunking the Myths

    https://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/
     
  19. Creasy Tvedt

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    So, just to set the record straight, you have no problem with Obama giving hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars to the world's leading sponsor of terrorism in order to get a deal done? You don't consider that 'collusion with a hostile foreign power' in any way, shape, or form?
     
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  20. Lee Atwater

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    AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s Iran cash story oft-told, still bogus

    https://www.apnews.com/727282bdead6489a8521059936375210
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Facts are evasion? Your Trumpery is noted.
     
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    Fabricated.
    The problem for you trumpettes is that you don’t think, you are told what to think by your cult leaders, and lefties actually do think .
     
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    Still better than godless commies, and that is what the left keeps putting up, or anti-Semite Arabs like Omar. The left is unhinged, and Trump is getting the courts right, and 20% of us wanted that more than anything else. Although really I suppose fantasy accusations is all you folks have left...
     
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    Obama never gave US tax dollars to Iran. The money was already Iran's but it was frozen by the CIA and FBI so the Iranian government didn't have access to it. They unfroze those accounts as part of the agreement made with Iran. I wouldn't except a right winger to know that though, since most of them openly admit that they never read the agreement to begin with.
     
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