Looks like the "dreamers" better be packing their bolsas.

They aren't on their side. They are doing this for businesses. Mexicans are paid slaves. Basicallly. Sort of.

 

Beam me up, Scotty.

 

They bounce back.

 

That is not only a false statement, but one which you could not substantiate if you tried. Secondly, it is entirely irrelevant to the law and its application as has been interpreted by the USSC throughout the centuries. I should also remind you that I am not the topic of this thread.

Again, what the founders believed is irrelevant. What is relevant is the actual words they wrote in the Constitution and - to a lesser extent - the DOI.

And you can take a look at the 14th Amendment of 1866, and the Naturalization Act of 1870 where powerful white Christian men recognized the errors of the 1790 Act and corrected them.

Irrelevant.

Of course there are other characteristics, but they are irrelevant as predictors of behavior and social outcomes.

Of course they have. Using the scientific method - as opposed to biased and antiquated methods of "inquiry" - we have come to understand that acculturation is the most reliable predictor of social outcomes. Skin color, hair color and texture, eye color, handedness, cranial dimensions, facial attributes, and height are secondary anthropological characteristics which have no impact on a person's IQ, intellect, behavior, and social outcome.

Then explain how India and China are producing a hundred times more computer scientists, engineers, and business leaders than the west. Neither white nor Christian, these folks are leading the world right now in the development and implementation of technology.

I'm very interested in having you tell me what my ideology is. Please be specific.

 

Thank you for proving my point about context. It is absurd to try and separate the intentions and beliefs of the Founders from the documents they wrote, but I realize that you have to do this in order to make America ‘fit’ with the post-1960’s framework and worldview that you operate within. There really is no other way for an anti-racist like you to try and tell white “racists” that their traditionalist views, which they share with the majority of Americans in history going back all the way to the founding, are not representative of America and do not belong here. Many, if not most of your views would have made you a pariah even up until just a few decades ago. It was really not until the 1960s that views like yours began to gain traction, and are now safely in the realm of the mainstream. That’s fine, but what I take issue with is this idea that your views are backed up by America’s Founding and history. They’re not. The Founders didn’t write those documents in order to establish a system that was in stark contrast with what they believed in. They weren’t hoping that, eventually, a generation of people would come along and reinterpret the words of the Constitution and DOI into something that was contrary to the wishes and desires of the Founders for the country.

Not really. They allowed blacks to be naturalized while opening up naturalization to all whites. 12 years later they banned the Chinese from naturalization. So it’s not like Americans became anti-racist egalitarians in 1870 like you’re trying to portray. You’ll need to find another time period to point to in order to reference your worldview.

98% of a population is Christian and this is irrelevant to how these men would have judged one’s “good moral character”? I doubt it. Going around in society preaching the gospel of homosexuality and atheism back then wouldn’t have been socially acceptable to say the least.

Things like IQ and testosterone levels can definitely predict behavior and social outcomes.

And yet we have seen consistent differences in these things between the races for generations. There’s a reason why the average IQ in sub-Saharan Africa is in the low 60s while the average IQ in China is 105. Culture is a product of a people in a society. Not the other way around.

Where did I say white Westerners were the best at all things? East Asians have long been better at math on average. They have a higher average IQ. India has adapted to technology since many tech companies operate there. It’s interesting how we aren’t seeing this happen in Mexico, though.

Some flavor of libertarian. Not really interested about which one. I think the more important aspects of your worldview were covered earlier.

 

I suppose you'd be happier if we went back to this...

 

Yeah because that’s literally all America was until your generation saved the minorities! All Americans before 1965 were evil!

Hooray for the saviors!

 

yep, Trump threw the Dreamers under the Bus

 

Malnutrition, disease, pollution, violence, and consanguinity have been identified as contributors to low IQ of Africans. Probably impossible to measure to what extent each affects IQ, but they seem likely contributors. There are too many subsaharan Africans with high IQ -- Nigerians, anyway -- to think that they are genetically less intelligent than whites and Asians, if that's what we're suggesting.

https://www.amren.com/news/2012/04/six-brain-damage-scourges-that-cripple-iq-in-sub-saharan-africa/

 

How? He was not the one who promised them all free Cadillacs. That was San Fran Nan Pelousy.

 

Yes, that is what he’s suggesting.

 

What have they done for them during the period given congress?

 

great idea...how about for every illegal that comes in we deport a democrat who thinks its ok. Seems fair.

 

Trump was the one that put the dreamers in the position they are in now, by Trump's own actions

 

Well, some might say it was the adults who illegally brought the little illegals here that put them in the position they are in now. What do you think about that?

 

Noted you did not answer the question.

 

You’re aware that the link you supplied is Jared Taylor’s website? I’ll pause and let you look up who that is.

 

I reject your attempts to sum up pre-1960s American history as nothing more than poor black people being victimized by evil whitey. That’s your ideological framework, not mine.

The truth is, you would identify more with the Frankfurt school than you would with most Americans throughout history.

 

Genetic fallacy.

In any case, no one has been able to explain case's of high black intelligence other than to assert that it must be white blood

 

Clearly you didn’t understand my last post.

 

If they were real Americans they wouldn't need to fear deportation. Blame liberals in Congress and the Obama administration for creating this illegal program in the first place...

 

As to the former, noted you did not answer the question. As to the latter, I am compelled to remind you - again - that I am not the topic of this thread and your musings about my “ideological framework” are irrelevant to the discussion and immaterial to the facts in play as regards the topic which is, to remind you, the disposition of illegal aliens in country who were involuntary brought here as minors.

 

Ultimately the blame rests with the adults who brought these young illegals here in violation of the law. I suggested in another thread that the dreamers can stay if the adults who brought them here step forward and sureender themselves to the authorities to face prosecution on human smuggling charges - the same to which we subject the coyotes who do it for a living.

That said, the enforcement failure goes back to Reagan’s first amnesty of 1986 which saw the enforcement provisions of IRCA blatantly ignored before the ink was even dry on the parchment.

But Obama - through executive order - drove the final nail into the law enforcement coffin, that’s for sure.

 

Maybe not. I'm guessing you mean that the author's own ideology tends to support the notion of inferior black African IQ, and so those who deny race based IQ disparities shouldn't quote him.

But I don't deny the disparity at all, and as an unreconstructed southerner, it plays easily into all the assumptions, jokes and clichés I grew up around.

But it still leaves us with the question of why that is.

And don't call me clearly.

 

You can’t be serious!