Lorde cancels Tel Aviv concert after pro-Palestinian fans’ backlash

It has nothing to do with being singled out. Israel refuses to comply with international law, all kinds of binding UNSC resolutions and the Geneva Conventions. So it's rather obvious this leads to an ongoing stream of condemnations. Israel got it all within their own hands to make that all stop by simply comply. To complain that it must stop, while you keep on refusing to comply is really an idiotic stance.

 

All of them binding UNSC resolutions is done with the help of the United States, UK, France... who all got a veto to could have prevented that resolution. All the other countries in the world simply note that Israel refuses to comply, and so file a condemnation. It's all perfectly fair.

 

LOL, dude, no one takes this sh*t seriously, not the Western world, certainly not Arabs. it's all a show to fool the gullible and console the losers. Clearly it's working so keep re-reading your resolutions and parading your dumb doll Lorde (never heard of her before) while Israel is busy moving the embassy, building relations with countries all over the world, growing the economy and giving their citizens of all races and religions equal rights and opportunities.

 

That's just your opinion. The United Nations Security Council just put up some more heavy sanctions on North Korea. Thats rather serious, putting it midly. It's the same council that reaffirmed all the binding UNSC resolutions on Israel last year. So debunks your opinion of it all.

 

Oh, all right then, so you agree that North Korea and Israel are both sufficiently punished? LOL Dude, I swear, they are messing with your brain, they do whatever the hell they want and use this UN hoax to fool the gullible and give the losers an excuse to whine on the internets and feel good about themselves. Carry on

 

Israel gets never punished because the US uses it's veto, yet it whines all over the place that it is singled out. Go figure.

 

Oh so now you don't like international law and the UN after all. You can't have it both ways dude . Anyway, I told you it's all a joke to fool the gullible and console the losers. You seem to agree now, right?

It certainly is. There is no one on the planet who has doubts about this. 85 out of 95 UNGA resolutions are on Israel..... they are gathering dust in the UN archives basement of course but the numbers are showing the overwhelming proof that Israel is indeed singled out.

 

So you justify the absurd over-criticism of Israel in the UN by claiming it is because Israel won't comply with resolutions made by the same body that obsessively over-criticizes it. What an absurd closed loop that is.

As for the Geneva Conventions, there are nations that imprison & murder their own citizens & those of other nations on a vast scale. Israel is not even in the same category. Presumably there is a proportionate level of criticism of those nations.....OK, just kidding, we all know that isn't going to happen.

Criticism of Israel is warranted. The sheer scale & persistence of it in the face of so many worse happenings in this world should offend anyone with the slightest actual interest in human rights & international law.

 

Ok, I'll bite.

You're the national leader of a country, let's say president. Rockets are being fired into your country from your neighbor, who has also sent suicide bombers targeting weddings, buses, supermarkets, pizza parlours, etc, all because of a border dispute. Other times they've fired mortar and rockets into your country, and shot and killed border patrolling soldiers, kidnapping several. You've offered to negotiate many times, even offering most or all of what the neighbor wants - but who refuses diplomacy.

Tell me what exactly what military responses you'd accept to deal with such actions.

 

Agree with pretty much all of that, especially the last bit. Though I should add that an across the board application of that standard might hit some critics of Muslims just as hard (which would be fine by me too).

I should make it clear that I'm not a fan of Israel & I think that many of its supporters overlook things they would find voice to criticize if it were a Muslim nation (or ignore if it was in Africa). The ongoing occupation of the West Bank should have been resolved a long time ago and the widespread building of settlements should never have been undetaken. Both sides bear responsibility for that failure.

However, Israel is the freest & best run nation in the region by a wide margin & has a better human rights record than all of them. If the scale of criticism were commensurate with the scale of Israel's transgressions I might actually join in. As it is I find the obsession with attacking Israel very close to offensive. In that case I'd rather be defending, so I do.

 

We guys have the players who respect UN own laws. The latest UNGA resolution regarding the US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is violating UNGA resolution 2131 on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty.

The UN just opened a can of subversive worms with this resolution. It's not binding, but it sets a dangerous precedent nonetheless.

 

Nope. The resolutions were made by the UNSC. The condemnations come from the UN General Assembly. There is no loop.

Israel violates article 49. It covers colonization in one breath with ethnic cleansing. It has been breaching that article for decades upon decades, with zero intent to stop. No nation on the planet comes close to equaling this. The Serbs gave it a try a couple of times though. But you know. They got singled out but not Israel.

I have yet to hear how any of them condemnations on Israel is totally wrong. Israel simply refuses to comply with human rights and international law. It tortured children. It refuses to give the right to return home for Arabs for not being a Jew. It ethnic cleanses. It colonizes. etc etc. It is just the worst of the worst. And it's just a bunch of whiners who can't come to turns with it, out of support of the Jewish cause of crusading against Arabs.

 

International law works fine. It's just the UNSC that doesn't work because the US agrees Israel violates international law, but veto's any attempt to make Israel comply. Than again, what does the US know about being democratic when they deny the will of the majority?

lol. This is so dumb. The bulk of the world represented by their world leaders all agree that every single condemnation is just. And here you claim it is the opposite based on nothing. It's just like Trumps idea of his embassy in Jerusalem, no European friendly nation agrees with it. Not China. Not Russia. Not India. The world has spoken. And you claim it said something else when they clearly did not.

 

The latest resolution was just about the US having it's embassy there. It's not about the recognition of Jerusalem as it's capital. Even Nikki Haley said that the move has nothing to do with changing the status of Jerusalem or something like that. So basically she confirmed the US viewpoint that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel.

 

Israeli promoter: ‘Naive’ to think Lorde could withstand boycott pressure:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/promoter-naive-to-think-lorde-could-withstand-boycott-pressure/

A group of non-Israeli artists have criticized Lorde's decision on the grounds that “artists should never become beholden to the political views of a small but loud minority.”

And there's Roseanne Bar too...well, with friends like her, who needs enemies?

The latest resolution was about the world being anti-Trump, which is not a crime, but it's not a good enough reason to violate UN internal regulations. UN has no right to tell US where to put its embassies. Not the first time UN violates rules and international laws.

The part about the status of Jerusalem proves that the current administration in US respects international law more than UN ever did, since the status of Jerusalem is to be resolved in direct negotiations between Israel and PLO according to Oslo II*. International treaties are sources of international law, hence Oslo II is rendering any UN resolution regarding Jerusalem unlawful (UN resolutions are not a source of international law - hope you remember that).

* the same applies to the settlements issue, by the way, so the Obama-era UNSC resolution regarding the settlements violates international law

UN - Unwanted Nobodies.

 

And you got an active policy to ethnic cleanse and thieve land across your own borders. The United Nations Security Council says you must stop and remove all your civilians, it is breach of the Geneva Conventions and international law. You ignore it and go forth.... what is the world to make of you? What is the most logical response of your victims?

 

And there you have it in a single sentence. The absolute hysteria that Israel seems to inspire. There are dozens upon dozens of nations with worse records than Israel. nations that have murdered millions ans extinguished nations, but Israel is the 'worst of the worst'. Any point you might be capable of making simply dissolves under the absurdity of the exaggeration.

It really is a sickness that obliterates the ability to make sane, intelligent judgments. If the number and breadth of people and nations who obsess about Israel had done the same with Syria they might actually have done some good. But that would require actually attacking a nation worthy of the hate. All too much like hard work. Better to run with the pack. Stick to whining about dem Joos.

 

You mean... a gang of trolls that's been organized to harass people complying with the BDS movement.

Nope. Trump brought this up on his own. This was first taken to the United Nations Security Council. Every single member voted to make this illegal, hence the US had to veto this. So hence this was passed down to the UN for all to condemn.

The status quo is that Jerusalem is a divided city. Only West-Jerusalem is part of Israel. This is founded by binding UNSC resolutions. Period. No Trump, no Israeli government can change this.

Calling all the countries in the world a bunch of nobodies? You only say that because you don't get what you want, and demand the UN serve US and Jewish interests. lol

 

You can not name a current country on this planet that has an ongoing policy of ethnic cleansing and thieving land across their border. Israel has had that since the last 50 years, and has zero intent to stop with it. And therefor I am right, and you are wrong.

Last time I checked. There is a war being fought in Syria with all kinds of foreign interventions. There is a lively debate about it in the UN. Tell me,... when will foreign nations intervene in Israel to make them comply with international law, geneva conventions and binding UN resolutions... and kick out every single Israeli civilian back across the border of Israel and end their ethnic cleansing campaign of the last 50 years as the Geneva Conventions dictate?

It really just blows the mind how people like you can say "look at Syria" "why isn't anybody doing anything". While dozens of nations are doing something there, and nobody does anything about Israel. Pure logic just left the mind.

Not my fault that the only Jewish nation in the world has a government voted in that ethnic cleanses in the of their Jewish voters. I can't say I ever heard a march of "not in my name" by Jews anywhere. I only read that powerful Jewish lobby groups are at work to make this all happen all over the world. You're free to prove me wrong.

 

So the criteria for 'worst of the worst' is what you call 'ethnic cleansing' (based on numbers a remarkably unsuccessful one) and 'thieving land'. Not numbers of people killed? Not political rights? Not 'ethnic cleansing' by itself? Not 'thieving land' by itself? Like I said, this is a mental illness, not a serious critique of Israel.

Without bothering to do any research I can tell you that Russia & China both meet your criteria, and as I pointed out earlier on this thread, Russia's behavior in the last 25 years alone dwarfs anything Israel has done to the Palestinians. Ethiopia & Sudan fit your criteria. So do Armenia & Azerbaijan depending on which side you listen to. Several nations in Central Asia too. I could find more if I felt you were worth the waste of time.

Here is a 'top of my head' list of nations who have killed more people than Israel in the past 50 years. This is the short version: USA, Russia/USSR, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia, China, The Philippines, Indonesia, Burma/Myanmar, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey (probably), Serbia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, El Salvador, Angola, Mozambique, South Africa, Rwanda, Congo....and quite a few more besides.

This doesn't count nations who merely have appalling human right's records, haven't managed to grant their citizens basic democratic rights, have misgoverned themselves so badly that large numbers of their citizens have had shortened lives merely through poor policy or who have invaded other nations. Just a selection of those with high body counts.

But Israel is the 'worst of the worst'. Sure. Completely rational assessment.

Nations have already tried to intervene in Israel, in 1948, 1967 (yes, I know, but they were about to) and 1973. They were planning to 'kick every Israeli back across the border', in this case the marine border. Jews would have had two choices, flight or tyranny. Funnily enough people like you seem fine with that.

Your distracting & dissembling on Syria is duly noted. Of the 300,000 - 400,000 people who have died the vast majority have died at the hands of the Syrian government and its allies. How many nations are directly intervening to stop that? How many are intervening diplomatically? How many resolutions condemning Syria have there been since the war started? How many condemning Israel in the same time? I'll bet those condemning Syria will struggle to break single figures, while the anti-Israeli ones are in the dozens.

As I said, its a mental illness.

 

In talking about countries removing their citizens democratic rights in a free society to protest about whatever their conscience says - well it has yet to be seen how any of the measures imposed will hold in courts. The justice system of course being a main check in democracies. I am glad to see that so far it has held firm in the UK. France was seen to be lacking. It is yet to be seen how strong democracy is in the US and any other country which is pushed this way.

and of course, BDS is working and scaring the **** out of Israel. Watch what you read..
The Israeli government is paying for anti-BDS journalism

 

That is not the argument. Here I am not arguing about the validity of Israel's military actions or Palestinian's rationale for attacking.

This is simply whether the singer should be called antisemetic for criticizing policy.

The answer is no. But it aggravates me and a lot of others that the first retort to someone protesting military actions is to attack personally. It's BS, and unfortunately too commonly the norm.

 

I've never been there, but I didn't think Palestinians are allowed in Tel Aviv? The concert she cancelled was to be in Tel Aviv, not occupied Palestine. She cancelled because at her young age she apparently just discovered the criminal behavior of the Israeli government.

 

The very same body that created it and imposed it on the Palestinians.

 

It's not like Palestinian activists kill people all over the world neither. If that was the case, most of the world's artistic communities would be endangered, since most of them do Tel-Aviv. Hamas isn't Mossad.

There has been very little activism by artists against the apartheid regime of Israel yet. Maybe Lorde will be the snowball that becomes an avalanche, like AUAA was in the late 80s onto the South African one.