Manchin/Sinema's tragic naivete.

Damn I guess you guys shouldn’t have made gerrymandering a thing and used it to your advantage for decades huh?

Eventually maybe y’all will learn to look further than just the current election cycle.

 

Typical, the old if my side does it, it is good and holy. If the other side does it, it's evil and satantic. What about the Democrats gerrymandering Illinois eliminating 2 republican held seats replacing them with 2 Democratic leaning seats. New Jersey adding 3 Democratic leaning districts and subtracting 2 competitive and 1 Republican leaning district. Oregon, adding 2 Democratic leaning districts and eliminating 2 competitive districts and so on.

You're a prime example of why I'm a swing voter. Gerrymandering is okay as long as the Democrats do it as shown above, but you get all hot and bothered when republicans do it. That's what I call blind partisanship.

 

Where redistricting stands as of today.

Arkansas has completed it redistricting process bringing us back up to 32 states counting the 6 states with a single, lone representative. In the gerrymandering wars, the democrats still have their 6-seat gerrymandering advantage. We’re up to 268 newly drawn districts. 167 districts are remaining to be redrawn. There’re still are two big states left, New York and Florida. Several medium states which now include Ohio, along with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Missouri and Washington. The remaining are the smaller states which have less than 10 electoral votes.


Out of the 268 newly drawn districts, there are 22 competitive, switchable districts. Currently held by 15 Democrats and 7 Republicans. Safe seats as of 15 Jan 2022, 127 Democratic, 119 Republican.


States in litigation that will probably change the above listed safe and competitive seats depending on the outcome of the lawsuits. I’ve also listed whether a political party gained or didn’t on the redistricting, old maps vs. new maps.

Alabama – Neither party gained

Georgia – Neither party gained

Maryland – Neither party gained

Michigan -Neither party gained

Nevada – Democrats gained

New Jersey – Democrats gained

North Carolina – Republicans gained

Texas – Neither party gained


I still can’t get over that Illinois and Oregon, two of the states with the grossest gerrymandering for partisan advantage aren’t in litigation or haven’t been challenged in court.

 

If you knew your opponent was cheating in order to gain control of Congress and not following suit would virtually guarantee your side would lose.........what would you do? Dems have offered legislation ending gerrymandering. Repubs oppose it. Anything else?

 

And in Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law a map that protects the state’s 23 Republican incumbents while adding two safely red seats, a year after the party spent $22 million to protect vulnerable House members.

“The competitive Republican seats are off the board,” said Adam Kincaid, the executive director of the National Republican Redistricting Trust, the party’s clearinghouse for designing new maps.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/republicans-2022-redistricting-maps.html

 

But those efforts won't come close to offsetting the Republican advantage, especially in those big four Southern States. Averaging the last three statewide elections in those states, Republicans have a small three- or four-point advantage. But of the 90 House seats, 55 are held by Republicans, or more than 60 percent. The party intends to add to that margin.

Texas, which gains two seats, added almost 4 million people, more than 95 percent of them nonwhites, who now comprise 60 percent of the state's overall population. And the majority of the increase occurred in three large urban/suburban areas. Texas is no longer a huge Republican state; yet due to the earlier gerrymandering, its House delegation is 23-13 GOP, and 70 percent white.

The map Republicans have devised would maintain that ratio — despite the population gains coming predominately in Democratic venues. An example: Fort Bend County, outside of Dallas, once represented by right-wing Congressman Tom DeLay, is fast growing, diverse (70 percent nonwhite), prosperous and now Democratic. Biden carried it by 10 points last November. It should have its own member of Congress. Instead, Republicans are dividing it up as part of the process to protect their incumbents.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...ndering-promises-even-more-polarized-congress

 

^^^ Let them OWN IT! Let them both wear it as an albatross.

 

Fine, admit that and we'll get along fine. What I totally detest is one side damning the other side for exactly what they themselves are doing. There is no holier than thou political party. It all about power, either retaining it or regaining it. Everything and anything goes. That's politics these days.

 

What Texas did was protect the incumbents of both political parties. Texas went from 8 Democratic leaning districts to 13 in the new map, from 22 Republican leaning districts to 24 while dropping competitives down to 1. Current Texas delegation is 23 Republicans, 13 democrats. Under the new map there will be 24 Republican leaning districts, 13 Democratic leaning districts,1 competitive leaning district. Basically the status quo.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/texas/

 

What you're doing is blaming Dems for not disarming themselves while offering mutual disarmament. Are you blind?

 

What TX did was take potentially contested seats and make them secure for Repubs while adding two more safe seats.

 

I'm quite pleased by the way things have gone. It was necessary to elect Biden to get rid of Trump. And now it's necessary to support McConnell to keep Biden from doing stupid things.

 

No, just showing how both parties are made up of nothing but hypocrites. The old if my party does it, it’s fine and good. If the other party does the same identical thing, it’s evil. That’s exactly what we have here. In 2010 the Republican howled like a stuck banshee when the Democrats gerrymandered the heck out of New York and Illinois. Then it was the Democrats turn when the GOP gerrymandered Texas and North Carolina. Proving once and for all, there’s no good political party, just hypocrites and slime ball politicians and party loyalist out for political gain.

 

Yes, thinking wise, they currently aren't on their best game. Who picked Kamala?

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Right, they also made 5 incumbent democrats into safer seats for them. Taking 5 competitives held by democrats turning them into safe seats for the democratic incumbents while as you state, adding 2 safe seats for the GOP. So who's the winner here? Instead of having 8 democratic safe seats, they now have 13 safe seats. The Republicans from 22 safe seats to 24. Both parties gained actually. While competitive seats was shrunk from 6 to 1.

 

Greetings, pero. Just good old country hard ball.

 

You'd do exactly what the GOP did after decades upon decades of Democratic gerrymandering on state and federal levels -- you'd put your previous principles aside in order to have some hope of ever enacting your agenda. You'd climb down into the gutter, get tough and beat them at their own game. Then you'd laugh your ass off when they whined about how "unfair" it is and think it's hilarious that NOW the Dems want to end gerrymandering. And you'd watch the same crap play out in the Senate whenever Dems find their agenda blocked.

 

Been awhile Jack, hope all is well and good.

 

Let the Dems whine and moan about gerrymandering, it keeps them occupied. Meanwhile, they have a lot bigger problem than House seats to worry about: they are losing the Hispanic vote. That effects all elections across the board. They already know they have a problem getting support from large segments of white voters, and they don’t seem worried about that. But, losing minority voters will be a nightmare for them.

https://theintercept.com/2021/11/15/democrats-voters-virginia-glenn-youngkin/https://theintercept.com/2021/11/15/democrats-voters-virginia-glenn-youngkin/

IT’S NOT JUST WHITE PEOPLE: DEMOCRATS ARE LOSING NORMAL VOTERS OF ALL RACES

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All is quite well, thanks. Hope the same for you too.

 

That offer would have been a lot more meaningful had it come during the many, many decades of Democrat gerrymandering. Now it just looks like an illustration of Barber Conable's famous observation. "Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle."

 

Count me as unsurprised that you champion Repubs availing themselves of the structural deficiencies in our democracy, allowing them to hold on to power at the expense of the majority's will.

 

I'm not championing anything; I'm just unimpressed by Dems' convenient outrage.
And btw, the Senate was created as a damper on "the majority's will."

 

Yes, legal Hispanics don't view themselves of something different than ordinary every day hard working responsible Americans. The Republicans meet them on that respectful basis. They do not pretend that they are in need of a rather useless leftwing white savior. The Hispanic vote is likely heading toward a split that pretty much mirrors the rest of the country.

Dems, for some time have needed a nearly monolithic black vote on a high turn out in order to carry the ECV, and unlike Hispanics, Blacks have the numbers, in the key states, to make the necessary impact. What's changed, is that starting with Obama's "Clinging to the guns, bibles and religion", Dems started bashing the rural and x-burb vote. These voters have leaned Democrat since FDR, but, never, ever, run with the crazys some of which are in the "progressive" movement, and for some reason, it steadily became more and more fashionable for "progressives" to increasingly and every more graditiously trash these former supporters, assuming they no longer needed them because of the rising Hispanic vote... OOPS!

So, increasingly, this former modest turnout Democrat vote of rural and xburb has increasingly become Republican and high turnout, brought to a boil when Hillary declared them "deplorable" "irredeemable" and swore that she would take their jobs. That was a gut punch followed by a hard kick to the balls to these folks, and regardless of whatever other shortcomings these folks have, not being a fighter is not one of them. Between Obama and Hillary they knocked them to the floor, and they came up fighting and cost Hillary the election. The constant insults and hate have formed them into a high turnout group that largely offsets the Black vote. These folks make up Manchin's base, which is why he is holding his head as Schumer rants here. If he wanted to compromise, this speech made it impossible for him to do so.

Schumer, not reading the room.​

With the Black vote now being offset to some extent by the rural/xburb vote, the battle lines shift to the suburbs. VA was a great example of that. The COVID Moms are going to be a powerful force in this year's elections.

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Bill Clinton and James Carville never would have blown off Bubba, or COVID Moms, like these folks have.

 

Bingo.