Manchin/Sinema's tragic naivete.

Yes. I agree.

 

I see no reason to respect that charge.

 

That would not be the first time you defended the Machiavellian proclivities of Repubs in their quest to maintain enough power to thwart the will of the majority. Nor do I suspect it will be your last.

 

Cuz.......of course you don't.

This hopeful haplessness was evident when Fox News’s Chris Wallace asked Manchin whether he was being naive to expect Republican support, given Senate Minority Leader McConnell’s promise to block “100 percent” of the Biden agenda. “I’m not being naive,” Manchin insisted. “I’m going to continue to keep working with my bipartisan friends and hopefully we can get more of them.” Again, he has hope but no “how” — the epitome of naivete. Worse still was his claim on CBS that “my Republican friends and colleagues see the deadlock also. This is not something they desire or wish.”

That’s past naivete or foolishness — it’s straight-up delusion. Manchin has become the Senate’s Walter Mitty: a man who believes himself the champion of a fantasy and who has hope but no plan. He believes he will save the country by recruiting “10 good Republicans,” even though dreaming doesn’t will into existence that many Republicans who will cast a fair-minded vote. Anything that would snap him back to our partisan reality he either ignores or treats as divisive. Meanwhile, McConnell and the rest of the Republican Party laugh all the way to the ballot box.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/06/joe-manchins-mighty-delusions/

While Manchin plays checkers Repubs play cut throat bridge.

 

You do seem to love panic-porn. Isn’t your “American democracy is doomed” shtick wearing a little thin?” Republicans love our country as you do, they’re part of the ying and yang of American politics, not monsters, just chill.

 

I so wish that were true. I think it was you to whom I mentioned I have a number of Repub friends. Are they monsters? No. Do they support a monster? Yes.

 

Well, one thing I believe all sides will agree on is our elected officials can read and count. Some, me included, might lean toward those people that represent us should look professional. Can you Trump showing up to a public event in flip flops or Biden with braids while trying to settle the sh!tstorm Orange Jesus lobbed at the entire world.





Maybe term limits would be the better way to go, though. [/QUOTE]

Maybe it's time to do a "Noah's Ark" and just start over. We will tweak it a bit and not keep two of their (politicians) species.

 

And I have a wife and daughter who are Democrats. They're not monsters either.

 

If we're starting over, I say we go to a parliamentary system. The rest of the free, democratic world has it right. Our system started out as an elitist system and now has people very feeling either disengaged or spiteful of politics. You don't see our awful left-right partisan dynamics in the UK or Germany, for example, where they have many parties and government spends more time working for the people than manipulating them into supporting what the wealthy few want.

 

"Machiavellian" is a high compliment. I also admire those Dems who understand how to be effective.

 

You do know that there are other Democrats that are not sold on getting rid of the filibuster also right?

LINK: Dems' filibuster conundrum: It's not just Manchin and Sinema - POLITICO

 

Why I challenged it.

 

In response to a question about his refusal to take the necessary steps to pass voting rights legislation Manchin said "the government will not let voter suppression happen."

DeSantis shakes up Florida redistricting as veto concerns grow

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Ron DeSantis upended Florida’s redistricting process over the weekend, submitting his own proposed congressional map that carves out more Republican-friendly districts and is already sparking threats of lawsuits.

DeSantis’ general counsel, Ryan Newman, formally filed the proposed map Sunday night in a move that surprised leaders in the GOP-led Florida House and Senate. The lawmakers see the highly unusual proposal as the most direct signal yet that DeSantis would veto the congressional map already awaiting a yet-to-be-scheduled floor vote in the Senate.

Florida gained one seat in Congress in 2022 for a total of 28. The state Senate’s proposal includes 16 seats Donald Trump would have won in 2020 compared to 12 for Joe Biden. DeSantis’ map includes 18 seats Trump would have won that year. (It also cuts the two black congressional districts in half.)
https://www.politico.com/states/flo...a-redistricting-as-veto-concerns-grow-1405811

New Texas elections law, decried as vote suppression, leads to record number of rejected mail ballot applications
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/po...as-elections-law-decried-as-vote-16777151.php

A Wisconsin judge rules absentee ballot drop boxes are not allowed under state law
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072...llot-drop-boxes-are-not-allowed-under-state-l

This year’s tidal wave of restrictive voting legislation will continue in 2022.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-december-2021

Either Manchin is a clueless rube or he just doesn't care what's going on around the country as long as it doesn't effect him.

 

Yeah, while he's cashing big donor dollars and spouting out 'word salad'.

 

He feels his seat in WV is safe and doesn't give a damn about anything else.

 

You are still obfuscatorly confusing voter suppression with effortless voting by anyone. It's like confusing bank withdrawals with bank robbery.

 

Another Leftist Dog Whistling For Violence: Bernie Sis Nina Turner Calls Manchin & Sinema ‘Extremists,’ Suggests Takin’ It to the Streets.

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48 isn't a majority of a hundred.

“Take it to the streets” is code for “violent temper tantrum to get by force what we couldn’t get by legislation.”

Who’s “subverting our democracy"?

 

You are endlessly flogging the voter fraud myth.