Mara Zebest: Top Computer Graphic Expert In The Nation Going After Obama.

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  1. jay559

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    It's Mara Zebest, not Zabest.
     
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    OP needs their head examined, fast.
     
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    I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of birther arguments. You place full faith in a quote that fukino never even made, yet dismiss completely her actual official statements as to the BC's authenticity and his natural born status.

    It continues to suck to be a birther
     
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    This is one of the funniest lines I've ever read on this forum.
     
  5. WongKimArk

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    Why does a paraphrase need to be a lie?
     
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    Your assertion here is beyond obtuse.

    An 'H' has two vertical lines when it is pristine. When it is not, it may not. The fact that the rubber stamp in this case did not give a pristine image is conceded by all.

    The high resolution image proves that the lateral elements of the label that are clearly inked are vertical, not diagonal. To deny it is an 'H' and insist it is an 'X' is not tenable, and makes you look... frankly... unreasonable. That's the gentlest I can put it.

    Actually, yes. We can be sure. The only explanation that makes sense for the difference in those numbers are automatic optimization algorithms, not a human forger. Again, the higher resolution image proves that the difference is a later artifact, since you cannot go from lower to higher resolution. It proves that the PDF cannot be the original source for the document image and must be a scan. It proves that the original from which it was scanned is identical in content to the PDF. Therefore all the "digital alteration" in the PDF caused by scanning and optimizing is cosmetic... none of the content was changed.

    It is breathtaking to me how you have repeatedly failed to wrap your head around the very simple process by which States create certified copies of original vital records.

    Certified copies are always younger than the original document. The The original is 50 years old. The Nordyke copies were made in 1966, making them 45 years old. The Obama copy was made in April making it two months old.

    Both the Nordyke and Obama copies are legally identical. But while Obama's is a direct copy of the original, the Nordykes are not. Theirs is a photostatic print of a microfiche/film image which is itself a photograph of the original. Theirs is one generation further removed from the original than Obama's is.

    Any scans or photographs posted online were made from those copies, not directly form the original. So Obama's PDF is two generations removed from the original. The Nordyke's photographs are three.

    He did release his long form birth certificate. Hawaii did not release the Nordyke certificate, their mother did. Your last sentence is idiotic. How can you pretend to know whether things you have never seen are typed versus handwritten?

    Yes... you did. Otherwise your whining becomes completely pointless. And we know you are always wrong, but you usually are at least trying to make a point.

    You want to see what "failed miserably" looks like? Here, Darryl, let's share the truth with the rest of the posters in this thread.

    Sock Puppet outing here:

    jay559 is a new member of the forum... but not really since he is a sock puppet for Apuzzo. His first post was 9:33 AM on Friday, the day he joined. Apuzzo's last post was 3:08 AM (some 6 1/2 hours earlier), and his last activity (without posting) was 11:54 AM that same day. He's been missing in action ever since.

    What happened in between 3:08 AM and 9:33AM that caused Apuzzo to launch his new sock puppet?

    At 5:53 AM I posted a subtle hint that I know who Apuzzo really is. I called him by his real first name; Darryl. Note... Unlike the Birthers routinely do I have not actually outed him. I would not do that. But Darryl responded exactly as I suspected he would. He abandoned his Apuzzo handle and created a brand new sock-puppet in the naive belief it would not be obvious.

    Now... one might ask why I bothered to figure out who Apuzzo really was. The reason is this: To make sure he understood how completely he had been caught in a long series of lies. On the Fogbow forum he has been using two sock-puppets claiming to be (in one) a "Retired Intelligence Officer" and (in the other) a "retired US Army Master Sergeant." The latter puppet also claimed to be a black man.

    But Darryl actually has several profiles on line in places like Linked-In. He is white, and he has never served.

    Were he merely a guy advocating for a position he actually believed, I would not have bothered to out his sock puppet. But he is a guy who cannot genuinely believe what he posts, else he would not feel comfortable wrapping them in what he knows (and what we also now know) are complete lies. This is a core foundation of Birthism. Whatever ultimately motivates them aside, they have built the entire edifice of their position on willful lies. Some Birthers are simply ignorant and are suckered into passing on lies invented by others. Some just invent new lies as they go.

    Apuzzo/jay559 is one of those who are deliberate in their dishonesty. Nothing he writes can be taken at face value.

    Anybody who lies about their own race and (being a vet, this offends me the most) anybody who cloaks himself in the authority of military service that they did not earn will lie about anything and everything.
     
  7. WongKimArk

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    What the heck is "pre-flighting software?"
     
  8. WongKimArk

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    This was your 8th post.

    How many times could have possibly explained anything to anybody?

    :roll:
     
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    You've been caught lying more times than I care to remember, and then refusing to take ownership of your own posts... you've no credibility. shoo...
     
  10. WongKimArk

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    You keep saying that, but it's entirely defensive on your part. You were caught red handed faking quotations and then attributing them to me.

    In contrast, you've never been able to demonstrate a single lie on my part.

    I am content with that circumstance.
     
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    Whatever - hundreds of people seen your posts with your ridiculous assertions, and laughed at them. I too am content with that circumstance. Keep up the good work :mrgreen:
     
  12. WongKimArk

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    The classic vacuous response.

    Count on it.
     
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    I'm interested to know how it is you are able to determine the personal identities of posters? To follow them around to other forums even, like an internet Inspector Javert. What special access to information do you
    have, and how did you get it?
    Or is it more benign than that?
     
  14. WongKimArk

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    It is interesting. The answer is the same as how it is I am able to soundly debunk fake Birther "experts" in document analysis. I make the effort.

    No special access required. Just good old fashioned detective work. The final confirmation did not come until Darryl panicked at the mention of his first name. That was exactly what I hoping for.

    More benign than what? You think ordinary effort is malignant?

    Not the most "conservative" of positions there, Yosh.

    :roll:
     
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    How a print project is readied for press; Files, usually .pdf's are sent to the printer. Those files are processed for accuracy (how the .pdf was created). That's pre-flighting. Then the files are transported to some imposition softwree that places them in the correct position on the printing plate so that the publication, brochure or whateve,r pages up correctly when folded.

    In order for a .pdf to meet printing (press) requirements that are consistent with a print shops standards. (usually .pdf files come from hundreds of different authors and contain meta data that isn't consistent with those standards. EX. OPI information, in-completed paths, ICC tags, black text knocking out background images, unembedded fonts, wrong color space (rgb, index color, device n), etc.
    Things like this can prevent a .pdf from being processed for imposition on a plate or being completely rejected by proof printers and or imposition software. Pre-flighting consists of processing .pdf's in an Acrobat Pro plug-in such as Enfocus Pitstop. Many 'author' errors can be corrected in the 'pre-flight' process. Many can't, so they are reported and returned to the author.
    In digital graphic design, there are many redundant methods of attaining an effect. If programs such as In Design, Illustrator and Photoshop do not have the correct 'preferences' selected...the .pdf can be full of errors.
    A good example of preferences errors is that 'birth certificate'. Had it been flattened ( the mete data removed ) there would be no issue with it. It wasn't flattened. Thus, experts can literally tear it apart. Had it been just a copy from some copy machine, which it was represented to be, there would be no data and there would be no layers and pre-flight software would have seen it as a 'picture' not as a detailed document.
     
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    Set of three videos in which it is proven that all of the features Zebest finds suspicious can be explained by the simple automatic process of optimizing a PDF.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWQw2AAIho"]YouTube - ‪Obama Birth Certificate - Explanation + reproduction of so-called "Tampering". (Layers, PDF)‬‏[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc"]YouTube - ‪Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks‬‏[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqoB7F9-wOM"]YouTube - ‪Obama PDF Explained: Absence of Chromatic Aberration is Not Proof of Forgery‬‏[/ame]
     
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    A set of four more videos in which the "human forger" hypothesis is shown to be unnecessary and absurd.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3b8xVJStU"]YouTube - ‪Obama Birth Certificate: Fake, Fraud or Genuine? -- the EXPERT Evaluation -- Part 1‬‏[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yP6Ji97dgQ"]YouTube - ‪Obama Birth Certificate -- EXPERT Eval Part 2: Mystery of the Strange Layers‬‏[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gonqc2Oxj-c"]YouTube - ‪Obama Birth Certificate -- EXPERT Eval Part 3: Mystery of the Strange Layers Continued‬‏[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ZTgtzK77A"]YouTube - ‪Obama Birth Certificate -- EXPERT Eval Part 4 - Mystery of the Strange Layers - Conclusion‬‏[/ame]
     
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    Thank you for going to length to educate our own Mr. Wong :mrgreen:
     
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    Wonderful.

    None of that has anything to do with the Obama PDF. It is simply a native scan, optimized. It has not been "readied for press."
     
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    I'll call it as I see it - it's a piece of crap, raising more questions than it gives an answers to. Apparently, a simple and required procedure called "flattening" has not been performed. Why has not it been done? A mistake? A negligence? A something more sinister, perhaps?
     
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    Who cares what you call? You have already demonstrated that you just make sh*t up as you go.

    Since it was not done, it was rather patently not "required." And since it is not a forgery, why would have ever crossed anybody's mind to flatten it?
     
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    Ah so glad you are still here playing. You truely are the last Birther standing- good for you- hld on to your faith- Just like the Flat Earthers- you know you are right!

    Well as I said before- only you and a few dozen Birthers cannot see the H and insist this means something. I won't say anything about your "honesty' or logic- I leave that for the other readers to evaluate.

    Well Obama's case is very unique I agree. It is a fact that President Obama is the first non-white President and the first candidate that you have asked to prove eligiblity- that is correct right?

    And you never bothered to check whether any other candidate was born in the U.S. or whether his parents were citizens- that is correct also right?

    So your claim that every other President would have been eligible regardless is pure speculation on your part, and you didn't care whether they were eligible or not. And you haven't asked any other candidate to prove their eligiblity.
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    So you don't care whether candidates are eligible unless they have been nominated? I have yet to see a single Birther ask any other candidate prove that their eligibility or that their parents are eligible.

    So to recap: Birther are hypocrites- the evidence shows that Birthers do not care about eligiblity except for Barack Obama.

    You were the one who said "who cares what Fukino says". I pointed out the idiocy of your statement when you are wringing your hands over a non-quote of hers, while ignoring her clear cut and official statements. After all we know for certain is that Dr. Fukino says that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.

    Your ignorance(or lie) makes me chuckle. Alvin Onaka is cited as having seen the original BC, along with the current Director of Health. That makes 3 at a minimum. Governor Abercrombie of course also said that he knew personally that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and certainly is not relying on anything from Dr. Fukino. Grasping at straws aren't you?



    What additional items are on Nordyke twins BC? Different signatures certifying the copy? Seriously? Wong explained it- you just willfully ignore the explantion.....because of course it doesn't suit your agenda.



    I doubt you unerstand what you are copying and pasting from some birther website. I chose not to waste my time trying to figure out what you are trying to say. Beacuse it doesn't matter.

    The copy matches the original per Hawaii. Questions about how the copy was made are immaterial. It still comes down to you thinking this is a conspiracy involving multiple Hawaiian officials, and either way the digiital copy is not what matters.



    "3. Why is there no evidence of aging on this purported 50 year old document like all other birth certificates that are decades old?"

    What evidence are you looking for? What BC are you comparing it to?


    Anyway what we can all agree is that this is just the same Conspiracy nuttiness that is part of the Birther agenda to try to harm or end President Obama's term.

    And it really sucks to be a Birther
     
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    Come on Darryl. I can see that you're viewing the thread right this moment. What ****-&-bull story are you going to come up with to try and save face for having been so busted?
     
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    This is where you are wrong. A .pdf, is a .pdf..Whether it's prepared for print or not. Optimizing a .pdf is for fast loading on a web site..nothing more or less. Optimized .pdf's retain some mete-data. Plus in the 'optimizing dialog there are countless settings..your video didn't show your 'expert' even opening those preferences.
    My point, however, is that; if the document supplied from Hawaii is simply a 'copy' made on a 'copy machine' then there can be lo layers (see my example) If it's the original document, it can't be a .pdf without being made into a .pdf. file...there's no reason for anyone to do that (plus, in 1961 there was no such thing as a 'pdf file). Notice that on the image of the downloaded 'pdf' there are multiple layers....they're there because something was tampered with.
     

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