Mass Killings at Virginia Walmart

I do not disagree that the person most needing punishment is the criminal with the gun. That should still be in place.
I just ALSO want to have people who arm criminals, terrorists, psycho's, children, alcoholics, drug addicts who can't put a gun registration on their name to be punished, mildly but still.

At a bare minimum, it should also involve them being labelled as criminals and so not being able to legally own a gun.
That makes sure the same criminal or an other criminal can't use that person to arm itself for a criminal ventures.
With that, the group of people arming criminals should shrink making it hard for criminals to have weapons eventually.
So far, your lobby work made sure they can arm themselves rather easy. Thanks for your thoughts and prayers.

 

people who knowingly supply felons with guns generally are already felons. It is already a federal felony for a felon to possess a gun. The harm is the felon with the gun and that is already severely punished-at least when the GOP runs things. Every objectively harmful action one can do with a firearm is already subject to criminal or civil sanctions

 

No need to make guns illegal just make killing folks illegal.....no wait.

 

For all the people that say that we live in fear of gun violence here in the US...?

I'm sitting out on my porch enjoying a beer in the afternoon sun ( in my sandals and shorts with my shirt off because it is currently about 79° here at 4:14 p.m. in Southwest Florida) and hearing much gunfire off in the distance. Around here that means that 99.9% of the time someone is having a good time.

You see shooting guns is fun and we enjoy that here in America. We would not have been able to tame this frontier and make it what it is today without firearms.

You're free to give yours up but do all the rest of us a favor.... Leave us the hell alone about what we choose to own and use, it's none of your business.

 

But just think if we were to make guns illegal no one will get shot anymore....

Because if you think about it that's how we got people to stop doing drugs..... is we made them illegal.

Extreme sarcasm alerts...... Logic is a powerful thing !!!

Can I get a amen?

 

I've never been given a coherent, credible reason. At best, it's to protect themselves against criminals who wouldn't have guns if we had proper gun control.

 

Here's some more reasons but feel free to ignore them or pretend that they're not real reasons...

We own guns because some of us hunt. We own guns because some of us like to go to the range and punch holes in paper.... We own guns because some of us simply like to collect them..... We own guns because it's a fundamental right as American citizens.....

We own guns because we can and no one owes you an answer.

You also have a fundamental right as an American to decide you do not wish to own any.

And the rest of us have a fundamental right not to have to answer to you or people like you as to why we choose to exercise our rights.

I hope this helps clarify the issue a bit for you.

 

That's not true. Guns are passed around legally all over the place which eventually leads that criminals can obtain them with ease without any repercussions to those who originally legally owned those weapons. In the end, every single weapon sold over the counter was owned by a shop who legally was the owner, and about all criminals use American made weapons. Heck, most Latin American drug cartels use American made weapons.

The GOP and you are specifically against the idea of being tough the way criminals are able to get armed in the first place. You lot let a crime happen, have your hope and prayers ready for the victims and get tough on the criminal when it's caught alive. That idea of you, has been tried for decades and people are fed up with hearing thoughts and prayers. The policy fails completely.

 

So what's your plans to make guns illegal so people won't get shot?

That's how we got people to stop doing drugs, is we made drugs illegal......

There are already roughly 20,000 firearm laws on the books in this nation.

So don't tell me that you're not seeking to ban guns.

Because if you do my question is how many more thousands of gun laws do you think will make the nation any safer?

 

No amount of "gun control" will stop criminals from getting their hands on a gun.

 

That 20,000 firearm law, is a myth that has been repeated for like half a century. State laws basically have replaced about all local laws, and about all them local laws that remain are about the same thing, so there is an utterly massive overlap among all them local laws and among state laws. No doubt you're not taking into account the replacing and massive overlap to come up with that nonsense.

The bottom line remains that the US gun laws are weak as hell. You need a license to drive on the public road. You get one when you passed the minimum age, and manage a rather easy set of tests. A car also gets registered on your name. Number plates, chassis number, you know the drill. Those are very basic well accepted things and are not impeding your random law abiding citizen whatsoever of owning and using a car. But it's apparently way to much to be asked to apply these basic things for firearms. The possibility that your random felon, terrorist, alcoholic, drug abuser, mentally ill patient is able to buy a firearm from a private citizen happens flat out all the time, because we all know that there will not be a background check. Heck, you can wrap it up and hand if over as a gift for Christmas even. Simply nothing stands in the way for a law abiding citizen to casually arm a random felon. It's all cool as long as cops can't prove you were aware of it, while they can't even prove you sold, rented, lend or gave away that weapon... since a registration who owns it isn't needed.

These are GOP and NRA policies. Their idea is basically that if it's ffing easy for a felon to obtain a weapon like that, so it will be just as easy for a law abiding citizen. And so it must be... and have their thoughts and prayers ready when it goes sour. That basically has been it for decades. The crap nasty figures compared to other modern western nations shows clearly the policy has totally failed to provide a basic amount of safety.

 

That's not true.
Although gun violence happens in similar western states with a lot more gun control, they do show the amount of gun violence is significantly lower. So it does show it is stopping a lot of criminals.

You're not going to convince me that this is all news to you.
You're just upset that the facts don't support your gun control idea's and so find the need to bend over the truth into a lie.

 

Chicago has very strict gun control.

 

These liberals will never ban guns for the armed security staff that bloomberg and other rich and famous have. It is only the little people that they want to be defenseless.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...armed-guards-while-fighting-disarm-americans/

Notice how Federal law exempts ex law enforcement from State and local gun laws.

This ensures a ready supply of armed bodyguards for the elite like Bloomberg and gets law enforcement buy-in for disarming the little people.

LEOSA allows qualified active and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the country “notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof.”

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/rpt/2011-R-0071.htm

 

Right, just like outlawing drugs has lowered drug use and drug smuggling in The United States. You know that that isn't true. Don't you?

Ban guns and guns will start pouring across the border, just like drugs do.

 

You have no constitutional right to drive.

So tell me then how many state and federal gun laws do you believe there are?

No one with a lick of common Sense is going to simply sell a gun to someone without doing a little investigation into the person. And did you know it's already illegal to buy guns for someone else and lie on a Federal form about it?

Of course you probably don't know that because it does not support your narrative.

 

I guess you are ignorant of the millions and millions of people who target shoot and hunt. and your idea of proper gun control that would prevent criminals from getting them is a pipe dream. it doesn't exist. we have spent billions on the war against drugs and this country sees more than 10 times as many people dying from drug overdoses than murdered with gunshots

 

they know that but they will keep pushing and pushing until no-one can legally own a gun. Since that is their real goal, no amount of proof concerning their failures to disarm criminals will ever matter to them

 

'We' would but it seems there are some of your fellows who just love using legal weapons legally acquired to massacre people, including school kids and innocent people in night clubs. What do you suggest you do about that?

Sit on your porch and drink beer listening to guns going off?

(What goes up has to come down so those slugs have to end up somewhere...hopefully not in your beer!)

 

I have heard a lot of gunshots in the last 2-3 days. Hunters shooting deer. Never been hit by a stray bullet. On the other hand I have had 3 or 4 deer collisions in the last 5-6 years. All of them were deer running into the side of the car or truck I was driving. Several near misses as deer run across the road. So I am all for the hunting. I guess liberals would replace the hunters and guns with some sort of government program to implement birth control for deer. How do you kill the wild camels and kangaroos in Australia? With guns I would suppose.

As to what I suggest about preventing people shooting up clubs, etc. -- as I said many times the electric chair is the solution. And please no claims from liberal social scientists that capital punishment is not a deterrent. Back in the day many criminals would often state that the electric chair deterred them from killing a person during a crime. A mass shooter should get a fair trial. A quick and fair appeal. And then public execution via the electric chair All to occur within a year or two. Not three decades later.

 

And here we go...an invitation to debate the impact of capital punishment.

Ima not coming in to that as it never ends. I say three things:

1. I oppose State sanctioned cold blooded killing.

2. If it worked, there'd be no murders in those States where there is capital punishment.

3. Too many innocent people have been made victim of capital punishment.

I'll say no more on that issue as it is akin to debating abortion.

 

NRA policies?

Do you know who proposed the idea of NICS?

 

I actually agree with you-the best boss I ever had-now a federal judge said this
"some people deserve to fry but I don't want the government to have the power to fry people"

On the other hand, I support the right and the ability of honest Americans to use appropriate lethal force against violent felons and the more who do the better

 

If your neighborhood is that dangerous, then you need to arm yourself for your own safety.

 

The sounds you hear in the distance has a different meaning (and result, it's not fun) in democrat cities. That they can't control their own people seems to be a reason why they want to control those folks in the distance by you.