Mass Killings at Virginia Walmart

What's stopping the left from going into the areas where most murders occur and cleaning the place up? Do you think a task force should go into Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, St Louis, Oakland, and other high murder areas, go house to house, person to person, and remove the guns? If they do, which people do they target?

 

I must have heard hundreds of rounds and yet I didn't hear about anyone being shot.

People shoot around here everyday one of my friends has a shooting range in his yard.

 

I get your point about the government but people like this guy (for example) need to be fried. Because not frying them sends a message that society does not value human life. Yes, that is a paradoxical statement, but IMHO the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Holmes_(mass_murderer)

 

I understand that, but spending 24 years as a DOJ prosecutor has shown me that the government sometimes gets things wrong. you can undo-somewhat a wrongful imprisonment. And I understand your point-it has much merit.

 

I think our adversarial system is fundamentally flawed. The point of a trial, beyond finding innocence or guilt should also be to establish the truth and the facts as much as we can(while admitting that we just may never know the whole truth). But to me, the prosecution is wholly focused on proving guilt and if it bares out facts then that's all good and well, but a secondary goal. The same is true for the defense, their goal is to get their client off or to accept a plea deal. Whether it gets facts out, or even muddies the facts doesn't really matter. Hence in all of this, the truth is the greatest casualty.

I'd rather a neutral party outlay the facts as illustrated from the investigation without either side arguing either/for, and then moving to the sentence guidelines if a guilty verdict is warranted.

 

Where did I say my neighborhood is dangerous?

 

True, gun shot sounds in a big city mean a different thing then out in rural areas with less people

I do not think big cities are going away anytime soon

in fact Texas is starting to attract some big corps, meaning cities will grow, crime will increase

 

then you have guys like this, found guilty twice, sentenced to death... but was innocent

http://www.forejustice.org/wc/ray_krone_JD_vol2_i9.htm

personally I think death is a get out of jail free card, it's the easy way out for the guilty

if people honestly thought death was the worst punishment, they would allow those in prison for life to choose medically assisted suicide, but they do not, as they want them to finish their punishment

 

Indeed, and as far as it is possible,.... the cops trace back that by far most of the guns used by criminals were bought outside Chicago. They just lack a custom control at the city to catch those, or... we can imagine what if the rest of the US follow suit and the criminals actually need to go beyond the US to get their guns, how much would that deter them from doing so?

 

They have a very different culture than we do.

 

A ban on guns??? How on earth? We got the 2nd amendment. You can't be an American with such a dumb mistake like that! lol

Also you're comparing a strict regulation on guns with a total ban on drugs as if that's the same as a ban on guns. That's just a stupid unfair comparison.
You're free to compare a strict regulation on guns with a strict regulation with cars.



I help you out:
You need a license to use a car. Is that a problem for your random American?
You need to register a car on a person's name. Is that a problem for your random American?
A car gets a license plate and a number stamped in the chassis. Again, is this a problem?
You can lose your license through a court order. How does an American view this?
You got a minimum age for driving a car with a license. How is that working out?

So you hop to it and tell us how this could be a problem with guns.

 

False. The harsher and quicker the punishment, the less people whom are interested in committing the crime. Capital punishment is ineffective only when it takes decades on avg to execute.

In countries where theft historically was punished with death and swiftly, there were comparably very few willing to steal.

The claims that harsh punishment doesn’t deter are based on extremely fallacious studies purposely failing to consider what would discredit their desired findings.

 

And so? It never stopped almost anybody who wants to, to get a license to drive. You really really must be totally inadequate and a danger to society if you can't pass that test.

Why should I? How about you go source it for me! lol

As if you need a lick of common sense to own a firearm! lol
We all saw 1000's of total insane lunatics attack the Capitol, chanting they were going to hang politicians. They all as far to anybody's knowledge are able to own a gun.
We all saw 1000's of BLM "protesters" loot and burn down buildings. They all as far to anybody's knowledge are able to own a gun.
And true, it wouldn't be the case if they got busted with a felony... but that's an IF, while it's a sure as hell thing those people lack common sense.
The freaking propaganda echo's in their heads because there is nothing in it to stop the echo. Come on!
They can all buy a gun tomorrow at a gun show for all we know, or don't you live in the US and don't know?

This shootout happened in Walmart. Go googled "people of Walmart", and realize those people can own guns and pass them around as gifts every Christmas. You're not going to convince me those people have common sense. lol

One thing is for sure, there are way too many people here who are keen on the idea that there is basically not really a legal restriction of just giving away an AK to a neighbor as a Christmas present, without a clue if the person is a convicted felon. You can place your bets if those people have some degree of common sense.

 

Aha. Well that's actually an interesting thing you drag in.
The left has idea's about that a person makes choices all day long about among things good and evil. Do I go to school, or should I join a gang.
The left has idea's that you can motivate people to make choices who are preferred by the general population, as in motive them to go to school and not join a gang.
The left has idea's you can set up a program and teach people what among things can happen to your life if you go to school and what can happen when you join a gang, in order to motivate people to make that preferred choice.
The left has idea's that even though these program costs money, it means less criminals so less crime and less people being shot at. So you need less police and safe money there.
This idea is not being pushed through, because right wingers prefer the idea to let society run amuck and only react when people commit crimes / get shot at.

This really is not on topic about guns. But still. Since you asked.

 

She was a marine and holds a gun like that? OK, tell the truth, she was a secretary maybe?

 

Some of us own guns to kill things and protect things on your behalf. To accomplish necessary tasks you are unwilling to do for yourself.

 

Based on your practical experience with such weapons and the media, would you care to offer specific criticisms of her low ready presentation?

Keep this unofficial creed of the Marine Corps in mind.

"Every Marine is, first and foremost, a rifleman. All other conditions are secondary."

 

So do some Brits though and we find a way to do it without children having to be sacrificed.
School shooting free since '97.

 

Well I live in a state where many kids own firearms (including semiautomatic rifles/carbines) and we have had no such shootings before or after ‘97.

An interesting follow up question. How common were such school shootings in the UK prior to 1997 and the new firearm restrictions? What prevented carnage before 1996?

 

A complete ban is the objective. Haven't you been paying attention?

 

You said, "...it seems there are some of your fellows who just love using legal weapons legally acquired to massacre people, including school kids and innocent people in night clubs. What do you suggest you do about that?"

I suggest you arm yourself for your own protection.

 

Really. elaborate! How would you control the black market and stop the criminals from acquiring and possession of firearm. Surely you have a COHERENT plan to relieve the current thugs, gang bangers and felons currently in possession of an illegal firearm? And I'm all a flutter to read how you will control the smuggling of firearms into the U.S.?

 

how many school shootings took place in Britain prior to the collective bed wetting over Dunblane?

 

lol. Unlike you she knows the difference between a rifle and a gun.

All marines know how to shoot. Not only are you likely a racist you are a male chauvinist.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...ican-immigrant-first-black-woman-to-hold-job/

 

As an aside, I worked for DOJ (Justice Management Division) during the Clinton administration. I have a picture of myself receiving an Al Gore "Hammer Award" from Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick that is framed and hanging on my rec room wall. Politics aside, Reno seemed like a nice person and would talk to people at the Christmas party and I think even have a beer or two. Back in those days there was heavy drinking at those parties. Probably, not today with the current climate.