Matt Gaetz Says Defunding Ukraine Should Be Top Priority

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  1. Steve N

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    Are you saying that calling Ukraine corrupt is silly, racist and bigoted?
     
  2. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How in the hell do o your get Ukraine out of me saying generally? Generally is completely and intentionally nonspecific, and out of everything that it could possibly be, you come up with Ukraine?

    Man, that is some epic trolling,.
     
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    Of course he's retired. When you sell what amounts to Chicken scratch and call it artwork for $500k a pop for access to your daddy
     
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    We are blowing way too much in Ukraine for not really any reason.
     
  5. Joe knows

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    First of all I could say you’re a child trafficker and you would be an alleged child trafficker. Has he been convicted? No he hasn’t so let’s clear that part up.

    other than that I agree with you. Not only are we aligned with them we have a treaty designed to give them security in this very situation for giving up their nuclear arsenal. Why would anyone take us seriously if we tried a similar treaty to get rid of more nukes if we’re not willing to put our money where our mouth is?
     
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    Nothing like Putin's ally doing his work in Congress.

    I say no. Ukraine is fighting for its independence. It is their true War of Insurrection against the Russian empire. We must be like France, as France supported us in our War for Independence.
     
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    And you know this how Billy?

    Dwarfstan told you so......LOL.
     
  8. Alwayssa

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    Yes it does. But if you really think the Freedom Caucus was all about Freedom, you would be mistaken. They have more in common with Russian Oligarchs and the Taliban than anything else.
     
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    Minds it's own business....by invading Ukraine?
     
  10. Alwayssa

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    Yes especially if Putin is disposed of because of the Ukrainian fiasco he created and the "war clan" of Russia led by Yevgeny Prigozhin and Kadyrov. And that would be even worse than with Putin or when Russia was the USSR.
     
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    1. No one is saying we need Russia's oil and gas. What they are saying is that with the war in Ukraine has destabilized the region and the oil and gas region.
    2. Putin has "destabilized" NATO to some extent before Putin invaded Ukraine.
    3. Not really. China is mostly a land-based military power. It has no strategic air power or blue water navy, unlike Russia. Second, the last tiime they invaded was based on land disputes that date hudreds of years with the Qing Dynasty. And that was to Vietnam in 1979. The Spratly Islands and Taiwan is another land dispute, but they cannot invade Taiwan and do not have "world domination conquest" on their minds. Their politics is against US homogeny in SE Asia primarily. Their entire nuclear strategy is based on detante. In order words, attack one of our allies with nukes and we will do the same, which is pretty our and Russia's nuclear strategy for over six decades.
    4. Putin is using the "nuke threat" to get what he wants, pretty much how Donald Trump used it.
    5. Actually, no. The United States is one of the most corrupt governments. We just make it all legal by calling it lobbying. Want to get a bill passed, get lobbyists and pay the politicians to vote for the bill. The same says to not get a vote passed. We are the most open corrupt country in the world and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. But at the same time, nearly all countries have some level of corruption in one form or another. We just play games by saying look at them, and not us sort of thing, which is pretty much what you do.
     
  12. Think for myself

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    Yes, he is an alleged child sex trafficker
     
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    better than those NFT cards Trump was selling or the rebranded bibles his son was selling

    but let's stay on topic
     
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  14. Joe knows

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    Has he been convicted?
     
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    You should be the last one to chastise anyone to stay on topic.

    You know what we should do during the peak of a recession? Send billions of our tax dollars to a foreign Nation.
     
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    Alleged does not mean convicted. Alleged means suspected. But then again, with the GOP Freedom Caucus taking down the House Ethics Committee by not allowing to hire anyone for two years, no won will know unless the DOJ charges him.
     
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    I don't care about the state of affair for the Ukrainians. Nor would the framers. Is this the American Government, or is it not? I know the "who we are" crowd is nothing more than a merchant whose business is for sale to the highest bidder, but that just all the more disqualifies them from public service. That public service is rendered not to the Ukrainians, or to the "international community" but to US Citizens.

    One can't talk about our failing public services, health care, etc, meanwhile funding a military conflict overseas with no end in sight.
     
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    Note I said alleged child sex trafficker, not convicted child sex trafficker.

    Now, if you honestly do not know, I would suggest utilizing a search engine
     
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    A lot of stuff had to go right for us to win WWII. It's not some strategy that can be replicated. First, you need a two-front warfare to weaken the aggressive country. Props if said country can't cut off your supplies, while supplying the main resistance against them(Russia/UK). None of those are the circumstances at present today. And there's one big game changing factor in which no one loses: Nuclear warheads.

    Putin has already signaled a willingness to use them. And even a small nuclear strike would lead to catastrophic civilian results. The strategy that miraculously succeeded in 1939-1945 is not applicable today. In fact, trying to replicate that strategy created the muhajeeden and the Taliban.

    We should be pursuing a policy of Detente. We should be pursuing a policy similar to Great Britain, to weaken alliances with counter alliances and to keep it in balance. Instead, we're a military merchant with no direction.
     
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    Maybe you didn’t read my first reply to you if you think I don’t understand that, or you yourself can’t understand the English I typed, which is it
     
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    The third thing
     
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    "No Foreign Entanglements."

    What is so hard to understand about this?

    Joe the Vegetable Man and his band of nitwits are trying to create WWIII here. This isn't television.
     
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    Openly engaged in a proxy war with Russia. Recklessly poking a nuclear bear.
     
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    Of course the entire "counter-narrative" to Gaetz's fever dream is this:
    The USA is TOO Committed for the U.S. to Stop Funding Ukraine...
     
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    Wow. You must've really hated the involvement of France on George Washington's and the colonies' behalf prior to 1776.:roll: I mean, the similarities between the Ukraine war and the Revolutionary War are striking. Are you saying you're against the Revolutionary War?
     
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