McConnell delays vote on health care bill until after July 4 recess

If I choose to cut off my foot, did I lose a foot?

 

That's not an explanation. That's a rant. What do you exactly mean that "Democrats never pay their fair share"?

 

Link these claims of yours to a known source so it doesn't come off as something you dreamed up in your noggin.

 

Some of these folks aren't making any sense.

 

Thank you! The smartest thing I've read in a while, and it only took three sentences.

 

OK your point being what? If nothing gets passed the Democrats will still own the Obamacare that remains and doomed to failure. Then they will have to answer as to why they did not work with the Republicans and vote to pass the bills that would have gotten us on the road to fixing it. As I said it would seem to be more in their own interest to get something done to fix THEIR mess rather than the petty political games Schumer would prefer to play.

 

No you cut off your foot. If I choose to not purchase homeowners insurance did I lose my homeowners insurance? No, I gave it up.

 

Many of Donnie's followers won't survive to follow his career; millions of them are addicted to opioid medication.

 

Not from a privatization point of view. The math will never allow it.

Why is this so hard for you people to understand this? I explained this on another post somewhere.
You can repeal and replace through the private market, but you will never replace it with anything more than what you replaced it with before. And that replacement would evolve into around 50 million people without HC, caps for catastrophic,, higher premiums, and an end to pre-existing.

A private system from a mathematical point of view is only possible by insuring some of the population.

And now that Republicans want to begin phasing out Medicaid, this new bill will be worse than the HC system we had before ACA. They are actually making it worse than ever before.

So, if it's "gonna happen" as you say, it will never get any help from the math if it does. And since it won't, it will be the worse HC bill this country will ever see in the history of HC.

 

And that was the goal of Obamacare long term, this bill is so bad that it allows able bodied people to get free insurance and not worry about working. Medicaid originally was for the people that couldn't work due to disabilities and for families with children that couldn't provide basic care. It's been a typical government program in which it's been expanded so much that I think 75 million Americans are on it. That's a 29% increase since the ACA was formed, the program is full of abuse and fraud and in many cases creates a class of people that would rather sit at home than work.
A big big problem now is the amount of physicians that have dropped out of accepting medicaid patients. The red tape and regulations that are now in place are so cumbersome due to Fraud that the government slow pays, then in many cases back charge physicians and medical facilities for tons of different reasons, due to the amount of Fraud. I have a good friend that has a chain of Medical facilities, annually he gets a bill from the government of around 1 million dollars for errors in paperwork or submittal errors when turning in service rendered for medicaid patients. Basically patient comes in gets care, they turn in bills to the government then get paid the next month. 3 months down the government audits the paperwork and rejects claims after they've already paid for the services. Once the audit comes in Lawyers get involved and they basically fight it for a year and get most of the government bill dropped. Most aren't like my buddy that can afford to fight it and they just pay it back. Of course this creates a situation where they have to charge more for services for insurance paying customers or drop out and many have decided it's not worth the BS.

 

I'm beginning to think it's inevitable as well, especially if neither party can come up with something to fix it. The Democrats tried, and overall, they failed. The Republicans have been working at it for 7 years, and it appears they will fail as well. You're so right that the insurance companies will lose their collective marbles, and piss and moan til the cows come home. But at the end of the day, either we're at status quo, or the country has an appetite to fix it.

 

If you give up your health insurance and suddenly get cancer, "you" gave up your insurance, while someone else added on to theirs by way of you giving up yours. In other words, because of your actions, the guy with health insurance suddenly was mandated to pay extra for you. Sound familiar?

 

If the GOP comes up with something that actually fixes it then perhaps more would be on board. The GOP can't even get their own to agree with this pile of trash they're proposing

 

The Democrats didn't actually fail. The message through Obamacare was actually a success. The message being, Medicare for all. It's gotten the countries attention, and that is the success. That's what the Left always wanted. Why? Because the Left understands math. They understand what every developed nation understands.They understand, as Trump so foolishly does not, even though I give him credit for proposing HC for all, he's working with the wrong party, because he nor the Right understand math. They are going down the wrong rabbit hole by insisting the math can fix the problem through the private market. Lol! It can't and it won't. It never will. Beating a dead horse isn't going to fix HC. It's taken them eight years and they still think they can cheat math. What a bunch of fools.

 

Generally speaking yes, the majority probably are getting what they want, no mandate.

I'm predicting something close to status quo.

 

The Democrats' plan failed to bring down the costs of healthcare itself, which is the predominate factor in the cost of insurance being so bloated. As one of the majority of Americans with employer based insurance, that's what I wanted to see, and I think most people like me (over half the country) felt the same way.

Until someone comes up with a plan to contain costs of the actual care, nothing much is going to change for most of the country. Therein lies the problem IMO.

 

The liberal agenda in a nutshell is Free Stuff for Everybody! Free healthcare and free education for everybody, including illegal immigrants. Take!

Take money from the 1%. Raise taxes...

Libs take but what are they willing to giving back in return? Nothing.

 

Could not agree more and unfortunately it seems we're going to do minor fixes depending on who's in charge of the white house. Medicaid and Medicare has there place and could be effective if privatized but with Big Brother running the show nothing works. It certainly can't cost the majority of Americans to basically give up healthcare due to stupid high deductibles and out of pockets.

 

Yes, you no longer have homeowners insurance. You lost your homeowners insurance. This is really a very simple definition.

 

People who forego health insurance are either young and invincible or can't afford it.

An equitable and effecient insurance pool needs the former, in order to help the latter.

That's how insurance works.

So, pretending that 15 million people won't buy insurance means that they didn't kicked off insurance doesn't really cut it.

Either way, the number of people who have no health insurance will be larger in the US than it is in any first world country. And since that number had been steadily increasing for two decades, passing the GOP plan will only insure that trend will be reinstated.

 

But HC and education are not free. Education is paid for through tax dollars. How is it that education is for free?

"Take money"? Who ever decided it was theirs to begin with?

The tax dollars from Libs and others is what makes the world go round. Without Libs and others tax dollars, roads and bridges are not possible.

So, you were asking something about what "Libs" were willing to give back?

 

Exactly! Not only that, someone else will be mandated to pay for the 15 million.

 

That's one of the stupidest things I've read in a while, and it's typical of "progressives" to confuse consensus with intelligence.

Back in 2009 when I predicted that FullRetardCare would fail as it is failing today, I also predicted that it was inevitable that the Babeuvian Illiterati would present more government involvement in our HC system as the solution to the problems that more government involvement in our HC system created in the first place.

"Progressive" insanity is as predictable as the rising and setting of the sun...

 

How the HELL would you know? Details? Are these details any clearer than what they were when Obozocare was first voted on? If not, you have no clue what you are even talking about. And for the record, I'm not saying it's any good. No one knows.

 

Uh no

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   past and past participle of lose

1. 2.
   denoting something that has been taken away or cannot be recovered.