McConnell delays vote on health care bill until after July 4 recess

It's free for the people who don't pay taxes
Never in my life I have seen someone so freaking obtuse to my freaking money I earned. The people that buy my things decided it's my damn money good grief, the government decided it's my damn money when they tax ME for it. The highlighted may be the most ignorant thing I've every read on this board. Hopefully I misread your intent.

Tax money isn't freaking political, the top 10% pay 70% of all taxes! 45% of all Americans don't pay any federal income taxes, yeah that's right they get all the benefits without paying a dime in, so let's get real here. We take from the Rich every single minute of the day and give to the poor please stop acting like the rich isn't doing their fair share.

 

Between the jibberish and the name calling, it was hard to figure out what point there was there.

Obamacare succeeded to a large extent. It would have been far more successful had red states expanded Medicare. Then you would have had thirty million new insured. Obamacare is far from perfect. It needs a lot of work. But the GOP can't be counted on to do anything positive or useful when it comes to health care. They never have.

They went for fully 17 years without ever offering a vision for health care, other then the one the Heritage Foundation offered as an alternative to Hillarycare. Then, when Mitt Romney adopted that in Massachusetts, they tried to get rid of him. When Obama adopted it as his plan, they voted against it.

They have had seven years to come up with a health care plan that works and doesn't punish people.

We're still waiting.

Oh, and the goverment is involved in the health care of every citizen of every first world country except one. And they're all largely happy and paying a whole lot less than you do.

 

After Sit-Down with PDT, Dr. Rand Paul Now Thinks GOP Healthcare Bill Could Pass; He and Prexy Agree It Needs More "Repeal"

 

Did you notice how you only quoted two definitions? I did. I then looked at Dictionary.com and noticed that there are TWENTY NINE acceptable definitions for the word "lose."

The VERY FIRST of which is -

to come to be without (something in one's possession or care),through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery:

 

I rarely agree with Leftists about anything, but I agree that this bill is HORRIBLE!. It is far worse than doing 'nothing'....

What we on the Right have been begging and pleading for center and right wing legislators and senators to do is to just GET RID OF OBAMACARE! That's it! Pure and simple! We didn't ask them to "replace" anything! All we wanted was to be RID of this fraudulent, f*cked-up, circle-jerk experiment in "Socialism-lite".

Instead, what do we get? A bunch of wailing RINO's who are scared sh*tless that they'll be yelled at by thousands of parasites and moochers back home because they "took away" the lollipop from the baby. Well, TOO F*CKING BAD if a bunch of welfare-sucking slackers have to finally pay their own way in life, but the truth (TRUTH) is that Obamacare, exactly as Obama and his hyperlib stooges constructed it, is an unmitigated, unsupportable DISASTER! Big news bulletin for all the RINO's -- THE HYPERLIBERAL LEFT WILL HATE YOUR GUTS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!

It would have made so much more sense after Trump's first attempt failed to just say, "Hey, we tried to get rid of this f*cking Democrat disaster, and it didn't work... so, IF YOU LIKE YOUR OBAMACARE, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR OBAMACARE!" And then leave the damned thing alone to wither and die without ANY Republican fingerprints on it! Now, of course, Conservatives will be blamed for EVERYTHING!

I'm really disgusted with everyone over this -- Trump, the Conservatives, the RINO's, the whole damned medical insurance industry, the whole damned pharmaceutical industry, and, of course, the stinking, rotten, something-for-nothing, blood-sucking, rabid Democrats who are most to blame for ever contaminating the United States with this miserable, economy-destroying, socialistic THING in the first place!

 

Keep reading the Treatment Communities and The Drug Enforcement Agencies press releases. Neither has the independence of your physician or your relationship to it in their financial interest.

I'll aver that you'll not call a cop for diagnosis or treatment for your medical issues.

Carry on with the centralization of your medical care, it's working so well.

Cheers

 

Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension skills can figure out what I said there, but in a nutshell it is insanity to double-down on failure in the vain hope that compounding your mistake will magically correct the mistake you made in the first place.

FullRetardCare been an epic failure since the rollout of the web portal and the people who saw through the mountain of lies it was sold on predicted it would fail as we are witnessing it fail today. The only thing it has succeeded in doing is incurring the wrath of the electorate and reducing the Democratic party to a shambles. You gotta hand it to Democrats - not only did they screw the American people over, they screwed themselves over. Sheer "progressive" genius...

Excuses, excuses. It failed because it was crap, not because red states had enough sense not to step in it.

Democrats certainly haven't done anything positive or useful when it comes to health care - they only made things worse. Had they been more interested in fixing our HC system instead of seizing control of it they might have accomplished something positive and useful and they wouldn't be in the sorry state of affairs they find themselves in today. The screwed up and they're paying for it.

They still have the same vision for healthcare that they've always had - it's just not the Left's statist government-run vision for healthcare.

We never got a HC plan from Democrats that didn't punish people, either, but I'm confident that a system that takes control of our HC system out of the government's hands and puts it back in our own hands will be a major improvement.

I couldn't care less what other countries are doing and those people are not paying a whole lot less than I am. Furthermore, I've seen the government-run HC system in our own country that has spectacularly failed our nation's veterans and I have no desire to impose that on every man, woman and child in this country.

 

That's good news and Congress shouldn't go into recess before it puts a bill on Trump's desk.

Do your freakin' job THEN go on vacation...

 

McConnell is still working on getting all his turtles into the wheelbarrow. They keep crawling out. He'll get to 50 at some point and then lumber across the finish line.

 

So where is the full repeal bill they sent to obama last year? He leaves and now they won't repeal? You were sold a bill of goods, they were never going to repeal.

 

The CBO is notorious for getting things wrong. Their numbers for the new plan are based on the disproven number of how many people should have signed up for Obamacare by now (23 million in theory vs 9 million actual).

The CBO may, or may not, be doing the best it can, but it is notorious for getting things wrong.

None of their healthcare projections (good, or bad) are worth much.

 

You've gained what you wanted.

And like you say, bad analogy.

A better one would be:

You had no foot. You didn't want a foot. Someone came along and made you have a foot. Someone else comes along and says hey, you don't have to have that foot, and you cut it off, thus rendering you in the position you wanted to be in, not the one you didn't.

 

The Republicans are so stupid and corrupt on this matter. Their bill sucks. They need to do the right thing and just repeal Obamacare. Put it back exactly how it was. Throw the "22 Million" off health insurance. They need to do it and cite some key facts.

(1) The cost of health care prior to Obamacare
(2) The availability of doctors prior to Obamacare
(3) The quality of health care prior to Obamacare
(4) The mount of people with "insurance", but are refusing care because it costs too much under Obamacare (I will bet this number exceeds the "22 Million" number)

Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul.... these guys have it right. They are the real leaders that the nation should be following and that Trump should be listening to.

 

Have you not read the first CBO score?

Have you not read anything that shows how many it actually got?

My goodness, I thought you were informed.

Here, because I'm nice, and you're not very up to date:

15 million primarily due to not buying it:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849

CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 15 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under current law—primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated

Year in and year out, only 10 million or so sign up for Obamacare. You have to renew every year. It's not added from the last year of sign ups.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/03/more...close-of-open-enrollment-government-says.html

There's the low end. Here's the high end:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/15/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-repeal/index.html

10 million is a nice middle ground. Want me to use 10.5? 11? Still end up with more having it now then before obamacare.

 

The only reason I'm still paying through the nose for insurance is because of the 0bamacare mandate. I'm paying 12k/year with 3k deductible per family member, but it's better than 0bamacare from what I hear. I'm hoping it will fail and they do a simple repeal effective 1/1/18. That will give the market a few months to plan and congress a few months to come up with a real solution. Anything but a total repeal will just be 0bamacare Lite with Republicans to blame. It won't be pretty for any of us.