Medical Science baffled by Africa's low Covid-19 death rates.

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  1. quiller

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    Best laugh of the morning. Thanks for the --- quack!
     
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    Mostly what I've seen so far are in reality complaints about ineffectiveness of the flu vaccine not actual harm caused by it. Flu vaccine effectiveness varies rather drastically year by year because the varmint changes it stripes with alarming frequency.
     
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    That's a rum bit of luck, but not surprising.

    They have a ton of 'advantages'. The population is young, they are not as mobile, or as densely populated.

    And, as the article pointed out, they don't have a Western lifestyle (for the most part, SA being an exception which has a higher rate). If you look at the history of medicine, the introduction of sugar, or large amounts of meat, were closely followed by a rise in the rates of diseases.

    One of the big gaps in American health care is a lack of preventitive care. National health systems have an incentive to keep you healthy, and spend to keep you that way. England has really good preventitive care, but even they could stand to up their game..
     
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    I go through about a quart of whole milk (Vit.-D enhanced) every day just by myself. I also take D supplements (have done for about two years). I am not exactly old in my early 70s but surely no smirking young punk with an attitude trying to burn someone else's property because Trump.

    Milk is what all kids need. Now in my third childhood, I can attest this is true.
     
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    That's true regarding the flu vaccine, but the legislation gives immunity to manufacturers for ALL vaccines.

    There is a lawsuit working its way through the system regarding Gardasil, the HPV vaccine, and it's a very sad story.
     
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    I had great preventive care till the Dems regulated HMOs out of existence at the behest of their trial lawyer buddies.
     
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    Post nominated for “ironic post of the week”.
     
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    I worked at a small hospital for years and all 2000+ employees were required to take the flu shot every year and no one ever got sick or died. There were always a few who truly believed they felt bad from the flu shot for a few days, but I don't remember anyone ever going to the doctor or missing a day of work. The only outlier to that were those that were allergic to the vaccine ingredients, those folks had to mask up for the duration of flu season. Every single year it was the same thing though, some (always nonmedical people) would pitch a fit and start spreading something they found on the internet and try to stage a coup so to speak. Fortunately we had doctors that specialized in infectious disease that could answer any questions anyone could come up with and alleviate concerns. When it was all said and done they would get their shot same as the rest and be just fine, bruised ego and a little bobo, but otherwise fine. We offset the bobo with a trip to the prize bucket.

    Now obviously only you know how you react to certain drugs and I am not trying to downplay or discredit your experience.
     
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    I am not sure why they are baffled. It seems like their guess is a likely explanation. Younger median age, healthier lifestyle, less obesity and less contact with travelers.
     
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    No chance it's the widespread use of HCQ?
     
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    I wouldn't discount it outright. However I would not jump to that conclusion without seeing data to support it.
     
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    I understand that many people are REQUIRED to take the vaccines regardless of their known problems because, statistically, it's rare. However, it's also not unheard of and that matters to people like me who have experienced problems (and, it was never determined why I had the reaction I did but I know I suffered for a couple of years because of whatever happened) and/or know people that experienced problems (and, those aren't just people telling me off the cuff. These were people that I knew quite well and witnessed the problems they had).

    With all that said, most people I talk to are adamant that blood donations are safe and there are strict policies in place to ensure that it is. I've had several doctors and medical personnel try to bully me into signing the consent for a blood donation should something happen in surgery. I've had some serious health problems and have had to face surgery (and, therefore, this question) many times. However...

    Many people don't believe (or want to research it) when I bring up the fines the Red Cross had to pay because they were NOT doing their job. I had a doctor threaten to cancel my surgery after several staff members tried to bully me into signing on the dotted line. They even called the Red Cross and had an employee talk to me about how safe their blood products are. That's fine and good but NOBODY can tell me that without some kind of reassurance and verifiable testing of the exact blood that would be used in case of emergency. No thanks. I offered to donate my own blood in case of emergency and I agreed to accept a blood donation from a trusted family member but both suggestions were outright refused. They didn't get my signature and I took the chance which is ONLY mine to take.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/...ighlights-its-troubled-history-of-blood-servi
    As a result, I believe that people should do their own research and make the decisions they are most comfortable with regardless of what anybody else has to say about it. After all, nobody will do the suffering and/or dying if a mistake happens.

    P.S. Thank you for not attacking me because my experiences are different than what other people may have experienced with vaccinations. I appreciate it.
     
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    Most people of European descent, especially Northern Europe, ae pretty much immune to lactose intolerance because that part of the world has been drinking milk for centuries.
     
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    ~ Seems the U.S. "news" media falls into that category .
     
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    I think the flu vaccine is a real money maker for many within that industry...which isn't bad but makes you have trust issues.
    It just seems like the people i know who get flu shot seem to get the flu or get sick from some sort of upper respiratory issue.....I dunno. I had a bad case 30 years ago and never got sick since so i stay away from flu shot. That one bout with the flu must have ramped up my immunity.

    I would take the COVID vaccine though.
     
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    Ha! Memes are great! Perhaps Africans do not consume the foods that are causing the underlying health problems that are the main factor.
     
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    What makes you think they are testing people who die to see if they had covid? You said they lacked the medical resources so why would they waste them on getting proper death reporting?
     
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    not sure, could be that less there have metabolic diseases like (pre)diabetes, ect.... be interesting to know

    also if they smoke more, as smoking has been said to reduce the impact of the virus

    "Smoking in Africa: the coming epidemic"

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12179604/

    "Mind-boggling study says smoking might prevent coronavirus infections"

    https://bgr.com/2020/04/23/mind-boggling-study-says-smoking-might-prevent-coronavirus-infections/
     
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    They have reported well over a million cases being treated in various medical facilities around the continent, they also acknowledge that all cases may not be reported but despite any of that they have very low death rates. The medical community had preconceived that African death rates would be the highest in the world, reality is proving the exact opposite so far.
     
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    When you don't test you are gonna have low rates....this is common sense...and the Biden/Obama method of dealing with pandemics as well
     
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    If people are SICK ENOUGH they are going to die, test or no test!!!! Testing has nothing to do with the degree of illness people suffer.
     
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    Prostrate yourself to your 'dear leader' Donald Trump who failed to manage California's federally-owned forests to prevent the Trump fiery inferno burning and killing all that stands before it.

    The absence of golden showers has consequences.
     
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    Your confession is noted. Are you deliberately following Trump-speak to create maximum obfuscation?
     
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    Boasting much?
     
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    Naw, just giving credit where credit is due.
     

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