Mexico deploys military to curb migration, reportedly offers major concessions as Trump tariffs loom

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is trying to destroy the Venezuelan economy? The economy was long destroyed well before he even took office!
    The people you mentioned, and their cronies, destroyed the economy. It's just silly to pretend otherwise.
     
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    A response from God.

    "I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you and the people who want a wall on the border can hear you."
     
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    For the last 15 years I've been advocating for the wall.

    So proud its going up.
     
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    Sorry but that is just not true. Under Chavez poverty was reduced by over half falling from 54 to 26% and extreme poverty fell by 72%. Over 100,000 worker coops were formed, land reform gave thousands the opportunity for economic prosperity and the economy grew at 11.85%.

    Unemployment fell from 15% to 8% from 1999 to 2009.

    Don't forget that sanctions on military parts started with Bush and have escalated ever since for ideological reasons until now under Trump it is complete economic warfare in a yet another misguided attempt at regime change with no regard for the people of Venezuela or any strategy for the final outcome.

    It was really the Saudi overproduction (a US ally) that began the plunging oil price crisis that effected other producers around the world from Alberta to Russia and everywhere in between. OIl prices are just beginning to recover but that won't help Venezuela because the US is manufacturing a crisis so the the country cannot sell oil. And it was Russia who was the target of that overproduction in order to try and stop Russian expansion of sales into Europe. All the other oil producers were just casualties of the Saudi attempt to bankrupt Russia through falling oil prices.

    Probably Maduro's grab for power was a result of the undying hostility of the US over several administrations as the goal of both Chavez and he was to try and get foreign capitalists from pillaging the countries oil wealth.

    So really, your statement that Chavez and Maduro destroyed the economy is just more self-serving BS from a hostile US government that just cannot allow any other ideology to exist other than it's own system of military threats and corporate profiteering. This is true from the Middle East to Latin America and to suggest otherwise is not only silly but to be willfully ignorant of the facts of economic warfare your country is waging around the world.
     
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    The problems go back to well before Trump and Venezuela's problems were all self inflicted. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-to-the-brink-of-financial-ruin-a7740616.html
     
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    Looks like the media is having to admit Trumps plan worked.
     
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    So has Mexico sent troops to the border of Mexico and Guatemala or not? I know they pledged to but this isn't the same as actually doing so.
     
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    They sent and advance guard that has already stopped several large groups.

    I haven't seen that they are up to the full 60,000 troops.

    The guard is new to mexico-its essentially a national guard.
     
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    I like the independent but that article conveniently leaves out the US role in the 2002 coup attempt and the hostility of US administrations since Bush in trying to bring down Chavez:

    "The administration of George W. Bush — whom Chávez infamously called “the devil” in a speech before the United Nations — backed a failed military coup against Chávez in 2002. The attempted coup was closely linked to prominent neoconservatives including Elliott Abrams, the disgraced Iran-Contra criminal who played a key role in covering up massacres committed by US-backed death squads in Central America and Otto Reich, a staunch supporter of Cuban exile terrorists who have killed at least hundreds of innocent men, women and children throughout the Americas. Two key coup plotters, Army commander Efraín Vasquez and Gen. Ramirez Poveda, were trained at the US Army School of the Americas. The coup briefly ousted Chávez but loyalist forces and popular support restored his rule 47 hours later."

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/14263

    "While many ideologues blame “socialism” for the country’s economic ills, most economists point to a set of policy errors that have little or nothing to do with socialism. Most devastating has been the dysfunctional exchange rate system, which has led to a worsening “inflation-depreciation” spiral over the past four years, and now hyperinflation. Free gasoline and price controls that didn’t work also contributed to the crisis. The Trump administration’s financial sanctions—more than all previous destabilization efforts, which were significant—have made it nearly impossible for the government to get out of the mess without outside help.

    As if this profoundly distressing situation weren’t enough, media outlets have frequently published exaggerated accounts of the conditions in Venezuela, depicting widespread starvation, for instance. To be sure, soaring food prices have contributed to increased undernourishment throughout the country, but this is a far cry from a large scale famine.

    More importantly, there has been scant US media reporting on the further economic damage provoked by the Trump administration’s financial sanctions, announced in late August last year (shortly after Trump’s statement about a “military option” for Venezuela)."

    http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds...es-hand-in-undermining-democracy-in-venezuela

    So no one is claiming that Chavez did not make mistakes by tying his programs to a single commodity and by stacking the national oil company with cronies and corruption but the record over his tenure is clear, I repeat:

    These figures are not in despute!
     
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