Mexico murder rate soars with 7,667 killed in 3 months

Probably so since we have been bleeding technology jobs to Mexico ever since NAFTA was signed.

 

You don't. And therefore your false correlation (or Cato's) that more illegals make the country safer is asinine. Using arrest data to conclude what you (or Cato) wish was true is bogus.

 

Oh. Okay. Then stop immigration altogether. Done.

 

Are you sure you want to go there?

 

There is no point

They do not belong here

Allow highly skilled persons to immigrate after a through background check along with their wife and children

Thats all

 

Cool. Guaranteed white minority within 50 years.

 

We go to the heart of the Sinaloa Cartel every year, never seen a murder, never felt threatened, had a wonderful time every single time. Mexico does indeed have a murder problem and it can be directly tied to the drug business which is part of the supply chain to the United States of America. Take the money out of drugs and my bet is Mexico cleans up pretty quickly.

 

First off, that was a pretty epic goal post shift. You said 'crime rates'. Crime rates are falling. Certain aspects are rising, and they are absolutely linked with the rise of refugees in those areas. Which is why opening the boarders as they did was a bad idea.

But, that doesn't mean that the people illegally entering the US at the southern boarder are causing a rise in crime. The 2 studies (that you focused on, ignoring the plethora of other information I presented that showed you to be wrong) were used to bolster the other information, not as the primary indicator.

 

No. I didn't shift anything. Crime in almost all major categories in the UK is going up, not down. Going up by double digit increases, in fact.

The information you posted were all flawed studies. The CATO institute is a flawed study. It uses a SURVEY to get it's data.

The Light study is ridiculous on it's face. It says that because crime didn't go up while more illegals entered, they must not commit much crime. That is ridiculous on it's face.

The GAO reports in 2005 and 2011 tell a different story. Illegal aliens are very disproportionately represented in jails vs their population percentage.

Illegally entering the country is a primary vector for crime. It has to be, because it is the only way for criminals and drug dealers to get into the US.

A good, law abiding person has two options to enter the country. Criminals only have one.

When 80%+ of the women and children crossing the border illegally are raped, the people controlling illegal immigration and smuggling are not good people.

Imagine we had a secure border, where say, just 50% of the drug and human traffickers were prevented from entering.

Would crime be adjusted up, down, or remain the same?

 

I am confused with your statistics here. Are you saying that once a coyote brings a woman across the border he then rapes her and she reports the rape to authorities?

 

The CATO study does not use a survey. here is there methodology

Then you have the Criminology Study by Michael Wight and Ty Miller
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175

You also ignored the Oxford Study

As for your GAO Info (ignoring the American Thinker misrepresentation) - first off it's only going from 2003 through 2010, so the overall data will be different as it's 8 years later.
Then you have this little nugget

so it's based of a random sample and estimations. It has scientific merit to go this route but it's definitely not concrete.

On to the numbers

Next, your American Thinkers "calculation" - When you calculate 'per 100,000' people, your basically taking the same number of crimes (25,064 homicides by your quote) and trying to calculate per 100,000 people, using VASTLY different population numbers. Of course if you compare 300Million (there are no differentiations in your American Thinker of the extra 20Million people who bolstered the US population between 2003 and 2010) to 12 million, then do a per 100,000 people, your going to get a massive difference simply due to the population difference (300million gets you 8.something, and 12million gets you 20. (Calculating per 100,000 you simply take the total crimes, divide by the population and multiply by 100,000).

 

It was a report done by Amnesty International.

Even Huff and Puff admits it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

 

Yes, the CATO study does.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf

This brief uses American Community Survey data to analyze incarcerated immigrants according to their citizenship and legal status.

No, I didn't ignore the Criminology "study". That was the one done by LIGHT, not WIGHT. You got the name wrong.

This is the study that said "well, we had more illegal immigration, and crime went down from the 90's, ipso facto illegal aliens are peaceful". That's just pure nonsense.

We can show a chart that shows cell phone sales increased from the 90's until today. I guess that also lowers crime.

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/vie...90264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

Your Oxford "study" does what all studies that want to hide the real problem do, they combine the crime stats for LEGAL and ILLEGAL together, but even your Oxford study notes:

Mauer and King note that there has been a disproportionate increase in the number of Hispanic persons sentenced in state and federal prisons. They found that, in 2005, Hispanics comprised 20% of the U.S. prison population, an increase of 45% since 1990

Have we had a 45% population increase in Hispanics since 1990? I don't think so.

What they did find though, is that the children of those legal immigrants worried about being deported had children that committed much higher crime rates:

The increase in crime was associated with second-generation youth, who were more likely to be involved in homicides related to drug offending in both communities.

Illegal aliens are supposed to represent about 4% of the US population.

The 2011 GAO report found:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003.

Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008.

About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens.

You can keep pretending otherwise, but in every country you look at, the violent crime is coming from "immigrant" communities.

It's true in Europe, it's true in Canada, and it's true in the US.

 

so were the women raped in transit to America? If so, they would not contribute to our own national rape statistics. If they get raped once they cross, then anyone collecting statistics would have to start with police records of reported rapes by illegals that crossed the border. Do you really think that is a reliable way to estimate rapes? Do you think a woman would take the chance of reporting that rape under Trump's zero tolerance?

 

Go complain to Amnesty International, they're the ones who made the report.

Supporting illegal immigration is no different than supporting human trafficking.

 

So you selectively use statistics to make the point that women who try to cross the border illegally encourages rape on one side of the border which is absolutely true. They are coming here to escape even worse conditions and horrors than rape which is why they make the attempt. This is not to minimize rape in the least but it shows just how desperate and vulnerable these women are yet they persist. This persistence results eventually in a successful crossing where due to zero tolerance policies by a racist POTUS they are then either subject to arrest, separation from their children, exposure to more rape due to their vulnerability all in the name of preventing crime according to your logic. No where in this meme is any concern for the woman, she is nothing but a peasant to you, a throwaway life that means nothing to you and Trump. Yet if you know our own history, you will find that millions of our European ancestors came here escaping similar conditions to find a willing nation ready to take them in.

 

I see what the problem is. There are 2 CATO Studies done on this subject. The one in your link (https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf )
is from March of 2017, and is by Michelangelo Landgrave and Alex Nowrasteh.

The One I shared (https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-update.pdf) is from Feb of 2018 and is written by only Alex Nowrasteh.

Yours is the one done by survey data, though if you read passed the line you quoted, it stats this

But, that's fine. My study uses this methodology

So two studies, both finding the same thing, using different methodologies and coming to the same conclusion.

First off, you are correct. I did not see that they lumped both in together. So I will give you that. As for your assertion that there couldn't have been such a jump in the Hispanic Prison population, you would be wrong.

As of July of 2018 Hispanics make up 32.5% of the federal prison population
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp

If you look at the dates and stats from these studies, you'll see a consistent upward climb in the Hispanic federal prison population

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sp/1051.pdf
2002 - Hispanic Federal Prison Makeup - 32%
2002 - Hispanic All Prisons (Fed, State, Local) - 15%

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/
2007 - Hispanic Federal Prison Makeup - 40% (29% non-citizens)
2007 - Hispanic All Prisons Makeup - 31%

So in 2002, it was 15%. In 2005 (according to Mauer and King) it was 20%. In 2007 it was 31%.

So, again your argument has shifted from 'crime rates' to 'violent crime'. Noted.


Now, the GAO. I did a google search to see if there was anything more current and I found this
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/12/04/problems-with-gao-illegal-alien-crime-stats/
So while the assertion that illegals make up a large portion of violent crime is true, there are a few issues with the GAO report to be noted

Now, his final conclusion (heavily rhetorical in nature so i'll leave it out) is the same as yours, that illegals are the main drivers of violent crime in Federal Prisons. After reading the texts and studies I would have to agree.

That said, It's not the 'crisis' level that Trump et al are pushing, and I agree with the proposal to simply turn them around and send them back rather then 'catch and release' which I don't agree with. Neither would the current proposals stop the overwhelming amount of illegals who over-stay VISAs, though I think it's reasonable to assume they aren't the primary criminal types due to the background checks you have to go through to get a VISA.

Overall, I'd say your overarching point is valid, but the way you get there is rife with inconsistent statistics being used to push the narrative.

 

All of the statistics on illegal immigration are rife with inconsistencies due to the fact that they're here illegally.

They've been saying the illegal population is 12 million for the last 10+ years, and all of the estimates we have are based on the Census Survey.

Many states now make absolutely zero attempt to identify illegal aliens and go so far as to hide it by giving them drivers licenses and other official documents.

As far as "crime rates" and "violent crime", those aren't two different things. They commit both violent and non-violent crimes at higher rates compared to their population size.

I'm not saying that there hasn't been an increase in illegal alien hispanics in prison. I'm saying that our population of illegal hispanic prisoners is increasing faster than our legal hispanic immigrants. From that one can determine far more illegal alien hispanics are prone to crime than legal hispanic immigrants.

Moreover, it is state prisons who tend to incarcerate for violent crime, whereas at the federal level it's more about drug dealing. The biggest increase was at the local prison level, which one could conclude means the rate of violent crime at the state level is increasing far faster than federal drug charges.

It's not a crisis YET, because they only represent about 4% of the population. If something isn't done about border security, and especially if they get rid of ICE, it will be a crisis.

Still, every one of the 2000 odd homicides attributed to illegal aliens in the GAO report is a human being that would be alive if we better enforced border security.

 

Right, love your vision.

It would be so much cheaper to make cheap drugs and just hand it out for free.

Then also save taxpayer dollars providing treatment for drug addicts.
Or social services for their health and welfare. That would save us TONS.

 

Why do you presume I haven't?

 

Your numbers are old. And they come from Wikipedia?


At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens

Total Tax Contributions by Illegal Aliens

Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration


https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

 

Just close the damn border and shoot anyone who approaches. I'm about there.

 

You are not addressing the fundamental question which is:
WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE TO ENTER OUR COUNTRY?

Answer: None.
Unless invited.
(meaning: in full accordance with our laws defining visitation or residency)

The fact that they enter uninvited makes them unwanted. Pariahs. Criminals.

 

And then drug gangs will find that it profits them to shoot any uniformed officer on our side of the border.