Michael Brelo, Cleveland Patrolman, Found Not Guilty In Deaths Of 2 Unarmed Suspects

See, this is where stupidity rears its head. In Britain if the risks to all concerned are considered disproportionate in a high-speed pursuit helicopters are used, ground-based cops back-off, and you don't see the absurd spectacle of 60 cop cars chasing a subject. Eventually the absconder will either run out of road, run over spikes or abandon the vehicle.

 

just curious...... this based on personal experience or what you read in the papers?

 

Britain . . . a tiny little nation in land mass and a tiny little population. The United States of America is HUGE in comparison and with a huge population. Britain is tiny enough that it's not that big an issue getting a few scattered helicopters to pretty much cover the entire landmass area. In the united States, that is definitely not the case. There are other practical differences as well.

The other day a police officer was ahead of a chase and was laying out tire spike strips in order to bring a vehicle to a halt so as not to risk harming the lawbreakers -- just as achie-breakie-hearted leftists SHRIEKED must be done -- and the scum bucket driver murdered the strip layer by running over him at speed. Now with the hatred and contempt that Britishers typically display for their own police officers such a murder of an officer by vehicle is probably considered 'an acceptable loss' but it tends to tick off DECENT U.S. citizens. Meh . . . go figure.

 

Plenty of fantasy and supposition here-I especially like the part about Britons and "acceptable losses". A wonderfully imaginative scenario and worthy of drama school is the "hatred and contempt" piece. You should be on the stage-sweeping it.

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No, it's fact.

 

It's a fact. If a speeder is being chased by 40 or 50 police cars then the risks to all concerned are increased exponentially. Officers generally use their judgement here rather than the pack mentality which infects US cops. Makes for good TV though, doesn't it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7000318.stm
And here is a US cop's analysis of UK policing, training and procedures, and why he considers it superior to his own: http://www.quora.com/How-do-UK-police-compare-to-US-police

 

Snakestretcher and his links have a point. When I lived in England, I practiced driving on a police college track to be certified as an ambulance driver. Part of the lesson was learning how to do controlled skids on a road slickened by oil and water. It was fun.

It never happened to me, but civilians sometimes followed drivers who had broken traffic laws until the could copy their license plate numbers and turn them into the police. Two weeks later, a ticket came in the mail. I don't know if that practice still exists, but wouldn't it be nice if civilians in the US helped our police that way? It would make us all better and safer drivers.

The recent shootings in the United States followed by riots are often based on faulty perception fueled by race baiters. While racism exists, so called activists create the perception that police officers are aggressively hunting for minorities.

 

the solution:









all of the forums innumerable anti-government right wingers should now stand up and applaud the idea of a fully armed citizenry - after all this is what the Second Amendment is all about: protecting the public from abusive government


Now let's see those applause.

 

facts without proof are worthless. If you cannot produce a written fact or video, your point becomes moot.....

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so, tell us why the losers of the war against America should be given credence. Just because YOU say so?

 

Associating internationalist socialist (Marxist) who advocated the overthrow of the United States through the use of violence (revolution)with the Second Amendment is nothing more than cultural--Marxism, revisionism.

It was the Black Panthers who abused their Second Amendment rights that led the California legislature to punish all law abiding citizens and the liberasls first attack against the Second Amendment to outlaw California's open carry rights.

One has the right to Peacefully assemble to petition the government, but you don't show up on the steps of the Capitol with loaded weapons, that's not petitioning the government, it's threatening the government.

Not so funny but blacks are responsable for many of California's laws that violates the Second Amendment in California. They abuse their rights and everyone is punished.

 

irrelevant.

You do not know that. In fact, the entire police force has been placed under investigation of the department of justice over it's way over the top of the use of violence. So it's rather likely they would have murdered them in all cases, knowing how violent these cops are.

 

Just to put it out there. When people do run away from cops, it is of no excuse of cops to blow unarmed civilians apart with a 137 bullets.

 

The guy is trolling you. What IQ do you think a person needs to have to operate a stupid globe sitting on the back table in elementary school? Maybe an IQ of about 30?

USA is 3.1 million square miles. USA has farms the size of Great Britain; which is only 90K square miles in total. UK is a total of 60 million acres, BTW. Ted Turner owns 2+ million acres. Red Emmerson owns 2 million, as does Brad Kelley. Jim Irving owns 1.5 million in Maine. So if you grab the top 20 or so land owners in USA; that's the size of their entire country. Just Los Angeles alone is 5K square miles. Hell, my land is a tenth the size of the City of London. UK is a Joke.

 

Good. Don't run from cops. This ain't rocket science. Stop your car. Get out. Lie spread eagle on the ground. When you get to the station, just lawyer up. If you did nothing wrong, you will be home in time for dinner.

 

What aint rocket science is that no cop got the right to blow unarmed civilians apart with 137 bullets.
And when they do,.. than they should be locked up in a mental hospital. Because that is what it is.
It is sickening mentally disturbed people who do such things.

And to go on with "yeah but they run away".... no excuse.
It aint safe on the streets with such mentally retarded people with weapons.

 

Then tell the blacks to get off the streets. Some choices might be "go to school" or "get a damn job" or "stop dealing drugs on street corners" or "stop robbing stores". Those are all things that blacks need to be somehow trained to understand; and will keep them off the streets. It's called "personal responsibility". Why do two simple words baffle blacks? And how hard is it for a black to read a motor vehicle sign on a road that says 30 MPH, then look at their speedometer and see 120 MPH and realize that 30 <>120? Or operate a rear-view mirror and see 60 cop cars with their gumballs going? With these things happening; I find it disturbing that some people still act shocked when they read studies on IQ versus Race.

 

When you see human life as fractions, stats, one has to wonder what sort of value system such a person has. Are they liberal or conservative, or neither?

 

So what do we tell white people in order for the police not to shoot them up? A white man holding a water hose nozzle was hit with 12 bullets from police because neighbors dialed on him thinking the nozzle was a pistol. When police arrived they opened fired without warning.

More unarmed whites are killed by cops so they will need to hear these denigrating self-righteous lectures too.

 

Show statistics for the deaths and show population by race (unless you just enjoy making stuff up, which appears to be the case). Blacks are more criminal and more recidivist. FBI keeps statistics on every crime and every criminal. It's this new technology called "databases". A white guy named Edgar F. Codd invented relational databases in 1970. FBI has been keeping data since then, and even pre-loaded data from before 1970 when they got their first IBM mainframes.

 

Neither imho. I always thought conservatives and liberals believed in the individual and their rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I'm seeing people use stats, inconsistently at that, to give justification in bypassing constitutional guarantees. People who do this are neither conservative or liberal.

 

For the sake of argument let's say 100% of Black people are criminals. This does not address a cop rolling up on white people minding their business and opening fire on them. What lecture are you going to give the White community so other Douglas Zerbys don’t occur? The media likes to focus on Black people. Meanwhile, Whites are being killed by cops too. Again where is their lecture?

As for making stuff up, I don't have to do that...

FACTS: Cops Kill Whites at Almost Double The Rate That Cops Kill Blacks

[Url="http://libertynews.com/2014/12/new-study-finds-cops-more-likely-to-kill-unarmed-whites-than-unarmed-blacks]New Study Finds Cops More Likely to Kill Unarmed Whites Than Unarmed Blacks[/url]

 

Sure you do. You are doing it now.

Pro tip: Blacks only make up 12.61 % of USA. Whites make up 72.41%. In your "facts" article, you list Blacks being 38% of the citizens being shot by cops. Care to look at violent crime by race? That is an important statistic. Blacks are much more criminal and more recidivist. FBI statistics prove it.

 

FBI shows crime by race. As does Bureau of Justice Statistics. And of course the Dept of Prisons tracks inmates by race. So while blacks are not 100% criminal; they most certainly are the MOST criminal race in America.

 

Poor dodging.

The blacks-are-criminals rant has nothing to do with cops shooting unarmed white people at about double the rates of black people. I already said for the sake of argument let's go by 100% Blacks being criminals. Let's also say that Blacks commit 100% of all crimes from minor, to white-collar, to violent crimes. You still have to address why angelic cops are killing the saints at about a 2:1 ratio. Where is your over the top lectures for the saints? Cops are putting all kinds of holes in white people too. Shall you rant about how to properly hold the water hose? Did rock & roll play a part in the animal shelter shooting? Let's hear your advice for the beautiful white souls now dead at the hands of the police.

 

I told you already. Try reading once in a while. If you don't want to get shot by a cop, don't be doing stupid things to get yourself shot. Don't run from cops, don't drive away from cops, don't answer the door with a gun in your hand when a cop knocks. I dodge nothing. Blacks are criminals and they cause their own deaths. Some whites are too. Every blue moon there will be an accidental shooting; just as every blue moon a blind squirrel will find a nut. There are 325,000,000 people in America and yet only 400 a year end up being killed by local police. That's nothing. 375 Americans are hit by lightning every year. That's just as bad.

 

You don't have to be armed to be dangerous.

Also, what does race have to do with it? If they were all the same race, it would've been okay?