Military Aid to Israel

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  1. DrewBedson

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    Just because he's your hero does not make him mine.

    The government of the US supports Israel ergo the US goverment is, according to you rife with traitors. I feel for you being faced with paying for such a percieved evil. Why would you stay when you could go someplace else like Iran and not have to suffer such an injustice I wonder.

    Problem with your point is that Israel provides the US with a lot of return so it's not just simply charity. And if they were to actually fight their own wars with no restraints there would be a lot of dead Arabs and Muslims so I suppose in a way support for Israel is also the gift of life for their neighbors.
     
  2. Mr_Truth

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    Baloney. Israel is the USA's enemy and has done nothing for our good. Supporting that country is what has caused so many internationals to hate us. Evidently, this hate and the targeting of Americans overseas meets with your enthused approval. Move over there if your love them so much.

    I'll stay here with the rest of the patriotic Americans who love this country.
     
  3. MVictorP

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    What? You actually think Israel is your "trustworthy partner"? Israel is your luxury-addicted, cheating wife. It's been like 12 times that you caught it in bed with another.

    How many knives in your back will it takes before this realization sets in? Incredible.
     
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    I dont see what other nation we should trust in the middle east. It used to be controlled by the Ottomans. The Ottoman Empire was not broken until WW1. The Ottoman came in to Constantinople and smashed us - and sent us back in to the west and there was not a thing we could do about it. We had to sail off and find places like America to conquer because we could not defeat the Ottoman. Western history tries to ignore this fact as much as possible but that is what happened to us. They are still there in Constantinople. The job is not done is it? And yeah - Israel is with us if we back them up. When liberals of USA and the UN treat Israel as if they are our enemy then why wouldnt they be upset about it?

    [video=youtube;Wcze7EGorOk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk[/video]

    Israel needs to know that they can trust us. The UN/Europeans are open enemies of Israel - and the Democrats/anglo liberals are open enemies of Israel. And why? because Israel doesnt like terrorist Palestinians? We are happy to throw the Israelis under a bus for terrorist Palestinians? It is madness.

    edit - We should take over the entire middle east. We should conquer Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Persia. We should take it all. We could. What are we waiting for? Israel wants us to invade Iran. What are we waiting for exactly? for them to develop nukes?
     
  5. MVictorP

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    Wait - that was cynical is it? Even if you were actually 1500+ years old, that still wouldn't be relevant. And if it is, well, the Jews still killed your lord and savior, isn't it? When are you going to "finish the job" about these antichrists?

    (Now the last one was actually cynism.)

    First, Israel is a liberal country (as are most jews). Cut the meaningless word-salad. It's not like the US' foreign policies changes in the ME depending if it's a rep/dem government, what a silly thing to think. All of the candidates you ever knew in the last 50 years have been approved by AIPAC, which I remind you represent a foreign power.

    Second - Israel doesn't give a sht about you. To the contrary, Yanks are considered a gullible people, useful, bovine idiots that know their places and will never rebel against them. Israel only has one ally: Itself. It doesn't mind you wasting your young soldiers in wars that doesn't concern you but Israel. In my last exemple, I compared the US to a cheated man - in thruth, it is a pimp/whore relation, in which you are the whore; What you are experiencing is called Stockholm's syndrome.

    Okay, granted, the same can be said of Saudi Arabia, to a lesser level. But how many "trustworthy partners" of yours have committed Lavon Affairs, Liberty incidents, selling your milspec sht to the Chinese and had their agents danced in NYC while they filmed the WTC crumble? You declared war on Germany in WWI supposedly based on the Zimmerman papers - not even a tenth of what Israel has committed on you. Some partners you have - Tell me how hard Israel fights ISIL.

    The one who needs to know is you. Don't lose your sleep over Israel.

    Pffff. Not only it is "madness", it is utter codswallop, or happening in another reality. The entire occident kisses Israel's apharteist arse. If it didn't, we would have dismantled Israel's present regime like we did with South Africa's.
     
  6. Ronstar

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    WRONG.

    we declared war on Germany cause they sank the Lusitania and attacked two more American ships after this.

    and what does this have to do with Israel?
     
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    Also WRONG.

    The US entered WWI because Rothschild promised the Brits he would make them do so for the Balfour paper.

    (PS; I thought by now everybody agreed that Lusitania secretely did transport war ressources - making it a legitimate target, if not one I would have cautionned myself)
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    baseless nonsense.
     
  9. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    I believe Ben Freedman. He cast a light on numerous question marks I had about WWI and the era that followed, where previous answers prove not satisfactory, or inexistant.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    hahahaha!!!!

    you support anti-Semitic, self-hating pigs who provide NO evidence for their claims???????????????

    figures.
     
  11. MVictorP

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    Oh yeah? Fetch me my mud bucket, someone.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ben Freedman never provided any evidence for his very wild claims.

    but you believe him.

    :roflol:
     
  13. Ronstar

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    Ben Freedman made many claims.

    he never, ever, not once, provided evidence for these claims.

    he talked about a wide Jewish conspiracy to get the USA into WW1 and WW2, so as to project and increase Zionist control of the world.



    .......without any evidence.

    he was a self-hating Jew, who is likely rotting in hell for his baseless attacks against his own people.
     
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    Of course I am upset about Constantinople. We need to get it back. *******n Ottomans. And Australia lost a lot of lives trying to take it back in WW1 too. We landed at Constantinople - but it ended up being a massive %$%$ up because of the English and specifically Winston Churchill. But without the Australian effort at Gallipoli, the Aussies may not have been able to crack the Ottoman Empire with the last great cavalry charge of the British Empire - which was actually Australian. The heroic Australian Light Horse attacked the Ottoman in an unthinkable cavalry charge and we smashed them. We Australians cracked the Ottoman Empire and took Beersheba and without this great Australian cavalry charge there may not be a modern Israel. But we still dont have Constantinople. We used to own Syria too you know. We owned a hell of a lot of the middle east and now it is all lost to Muslims.

    And Jeus was a Jew. You cant blame all Jews because some Jews might have wanted Jesus to be killed. At the end of the day the Romans are more responsible for the death of Jesus than any Jews. And Jesus was supposed to die like that anyway - it was predetermined.

    And Israel is not a liberal country - they are nationalists, and I respect that. Also the Israelis like to elect conservative governments. They are not liberals - just because many Jews in New York support Democrats does not make Jews liberals. Part of the reason for the Jewish support of the Democrat party is because the Democrat party promotes minority politics which is good for Jews that are a minority - and we remember how they were treated as a minority in Germany. Jews seem to think that supporting all of this minority bullcrap for African-Americans, Aboriginals, Mexicans etc etc is needed so that minorities will never again be persecuted like the Jews were in nazi Germany - and by pretty much the entire world at that time. But even Jews must know that this liberal nonsense is actually backfiring at this stage and it does more to put Jews in danger than it does to help them. The minority stuff has run its course and at this point it is just utterly ridiculous. But just because Jews want to be safe from racists does not make them 'liberals'. The Australian Liberal Party are conservatives and so is Likud. The use of the term 'liberal' does not make the party liberal according to the modern US definition of the word. And like I said - Israeli are actually nationalists, not liberals. It doesnt get more nationalist than Israel.

    Israel does care about its relationships with nations like USA and Australia, and if you are claiming that all of the worlds wars have been started by Jews then you sound as silly as a drunk Mel Gibson. Like I said - I want to get Constantinople back - and do honestly think that the Aussies that landed in Constantinople in WW1 did not comprehend where they were landing and Constantinople's historical significance? Many of them did - and so did Englishmen like Winston Churchill. Do you really think that we dont want to get Constantinople back? Do you really think that the only reason Christian nations want to take Persia is because Israel is directing us? No, we want the same thing. $%$% the Muslims or Arabs or whatever you want to call them. There should be just one Empire. The Ottoman/Arab/Muslim must be part of our Empire. It is the only way to bring about lasting world peace and the brotherhood of man.

    And it is Stockholm Syndrome to support Israel? You are talking like Mel Gibson again. Israel are not behind everything that you do not like in the world. Are USA and Australia really such terrible nations to live in even if Jews were our secret overlords? Which they are not. I do not feel as though I am a prisoner of Jews. And how hard does Israel fight ISIS? We created ISIS as an excuse to go into Middle East/Libya. Der. Why would Israel fight them? USA is only pretending. USA is ISIS. Everyone knows that. Even the Russians are making official statements about it. USA needs to stop being such an utter (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and be open about what it does. Because USA isnt fooling anyone. And if USA is being directed by Israel like you say - then Israel isnt fooling anyone. The English were much better at imperialism than USA is. USA style is weak, cowardly and disgusting. But yeah - dont expect Israel to fight ISIS too hard. Israel treats ISIS fighters in Israeli hospitals and then sends them back to Libya. :) They didnt even hide the fact. They try to pretend that they are being good samaritans. Which is pretty funny really.

    And the only reason South Africa was 'dismantled' by the west was so that we could install our man Nelson Mandela and he would open the nation up to western investment - which he did. Nelson Mandela did exactly what we wanted him to do. We did not install Nelson Mandela to help black Africans. Have you seen South Africa on the news lately? It is as big a hell hole as it ever was. We dont care. ( this is American style imperialism ). Israel have free markets dont they? What possible reason could we have for 'dismantling' Israel? They are our friends and allies and they are with us not against us.

    [video=youtube;p7dm_nbjNjE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7dm_nbjNjE[/video]

    I do not worship Jews. In my opinion they need all the help they can get - especially when chumps like Naftali Bennet are able to gain such important positions in Israeli society. I would be one thousand time more valuable than the majority of Jews that are employed to work for the Holocaust Museum for example. A lot of jewish propaganda is very tired and dated in my opinion. but yeah - watch this Pommy tear Naftali Bennet apart -

    [video=youtube;wDKojDv0SH8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDKojDv0SH8[/video]

    Bennet gets so rattled by this pommy that he has an emotional breakdown, gets super angry and threatens that Israel has some chips in most of the worlds planes that they can turn off and crash the planes. Bennet is an unhinged loon. unhinged Bennet basically threatens that Israel can and will crash other nations plane if other nations decide to boycott Israel. Thats a bit too open even if it is true.
     
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    # Syria not Libya.

    [video=youtube;22GP-jR9OkA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GP-jR9OkA[/video]
     
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    NO. Absolute and verifiable TRUTH!
     
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    show me the evidence that support Ben Freedman's self-hating Jew claims.

    Ben Freedman donated money to the anti-Semitic publication "Common Sense", so why should i believe any of his anti-Jewish claims?
     
  19. MVictorP

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    Pfff.

    As a Wikipedia editor myself, the part you linked has no credibility, and is seriously lacking sources. Smells like a Hasbara POV take-over and what Wikipedians call "research". Gotta have to look at the "Talk" page.

    I've looked into that publication, and found nothing that is past current CAMERA, ADL, HonRep etc etc calls for antisemitism, meaning the seriously alarmist, anal, rethorical and hysterical kind off criticism ("He stiffed a guy while he had a soap company!"). As far as I can see, Common Sense was about as antisemitic as most conservative (small "c") institutions were at that time, during the commie witch hunt. Freedman himself was more interested in chasing commies, and to some point that's what Common Sense did. Just turned out most suspected commies were also jews (heh). Besides, "anti-semitism" as all-purpose defense wasn't the rage up until the late 60s early 70s, on the tail of Israel's "exploits".

    (Besides, Freidman/Freedman is jewish himself, for crying out loud: Stop crucifying these Jews you don't agree with, will you guys?)

    (Further besides: Even if he had worked with the Nazis I would believe him over you mudslingers nonetheless - so there.)

    I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about - you just became a "10 minutes expert" on the subject without any regards for the geist of the times or any other consideration. You are impermeable to reason - My only questionning is: Why should I care? All of what I wrote will pass you right through.

    You were better with the mud bucket.
     
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    Neo-Nazi wiki Metapedia, confirms that Freedman donated money to the anti-Semitic journal

    In 1954, his address is stated to be 960 Park Avenue. He contributed money to Conde McGinley, publisher of the periodical Common Sense.[13]

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Freedman


    ....but I guess you will also claim the "Zionists" control Metapedia.

    LOL!!!!

    - - - Updated - - -

    sorry, but self-hating Jews who ally themselves with Nazis, KKK, white supremacists, are my enemy and I will fight them hard.
     
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    Balony. America is hated because it has influence nothing more and nothing less.
     
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    It's more ingerance than influence, IMO, that makes the US hated even in it's allied country's people. Why would people half a world away hates you? You will go out of your way just to (*)(*)(*)(*) a random community, calling it "strenght".
     
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    I ignored parts of your post I already answered to, precisely because you ignored these responses.

    Well they certainly try. They call it "Public diplomacy of Israel", or Hasbara.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commi...rting_in_America#CAMERA_campaign_in_Wikipedia

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140421-defending-the-indefensible-israels-wikipedia-war/

    May I also underline that the only attack you got vs Common Sense is from HUAC? HUAC, seriously? Ha ha ha.

    (And it's "Wikipedia")
     
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    Garbage. China and Japan have plenty of influence as well but nobody hates them.
     
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    Wrong, or being deceptive, again:

    America would not have been deceived into fighting a War for Israel if it weren't for the pernicious influence of America's infestation of Zionist Lobbies, Hasbara Shills & traitorous "Israel Firsters"

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03

    Additionally:

    - “The first Palestinian suicide bombing occurred in 1994, 40 days after the massacre by the Brooklyn native Baruch Goldstein of 29 praying Muslims at the Al Ibrahim Mosque in Hebron.”


    - “There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”


    - "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,


    When I was in the Islamic World in1973 (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran etc) among the questions I was most frequently asked by its Muslim residents were:

    "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"

    "Why does your (American) Government help the Israel's kill us?"

    I explained the toxic effect of American Ziono-media's blatant pro-Israel bias[1], [2] & the overwhelming influence of of the countless Zionist Lobbies that control most of our politicians but they gave the American people more credit than being so easily duped[3]

    It is crystal clear to any American with 2 brain cells to rub together that anti American sentiment throughout the Islamic world is only due to America's unconditional support of ANY Israeli War Crime, Genocide, act of aggression & atrocity against them.






    [1] “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR



    [2] “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html


    [3] “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”
    http://forward.com/articles/216074/...out-americans-start-with/?p=all#ixzz3U6lIMhyL

    EXCERPT “Jerusalem — Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.
    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,”
    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” and observe that this outlook, with deep roots in the American psyche, rebuts the Israeli stereotype of Americans as ever-trusting.
    But for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?

    In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.
    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction.”
    The fact that Israelis see their benefactor as overly credulous also breeds resentment in some corners of Israeli society."CONTINUED
     

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