Military Aid to Israel

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While there are certainly groups of individuals who dislike China & Japan, neither country would tolerate the nest of Zionist Parasites who have preyed on US Blood & Resources like AIPAC, JINSA & the other traitorous Zionist Lobbies who have insidiously driven the US to War with the Islamic World.

    It is no coincidence that US relations with the 1.7 Billion strong Islamic went from good to what is now a Zionist orchestrated War on Islam for which US resources & blood are easy Zionist fodder.

    During my 10 - 11 months wandering through the Islamic World (Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Iraq etc), I didn't have a single hostile experience as an obvious American. I only experienced warm hospitality & kind generosity as an American traveler. They didn't mistreat me because of my Government's policies so I can say from first hand experience that they don't hate the American People.
    They justifiably hate US Government policy & what we do to them

    For example:

    “The crime of making Americans aware of their own history”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...-making-americans-aware-of-their-own-history/

    Is history getting too close for comfort for the fragile little American heart and mind? Their schools and their favorite media have done an excellent job of keeping them ignorant of what their favorite country has done to the rest of the world, but lately some discomforting points of view have managed to find their way into this well-defended American consciousness.
    Then came the Islamic cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen, who for some time had been blaming US foreign policy in the Middle East as the cause of anti-American hatred and terrorist acts. So we killed him. Ron Paul and Tony Bennett can count themselves lucky.
    What, then, is the basis of all this? What has the United States actually been doing in the Middle East in the recent past?
    • the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981
    • the bombing of Lebanon in 1983 and 1984
    • the bombing of Libya in 1986
    • the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987
    • the shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988
    • the shooting down of two more Libyan planes in 1989
    • the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991
    • the continuing bombings and draconian sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years
    • the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998
    • the habitual support of Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the Palestinian people
    • the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to this
    • the abduction of “suspected terrorists” from Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who were then taken to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where they were tortured
    • the large military and hi-tech presence in Islam’s holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf region
    • the support of numerous undemocratic, authoritarian Middle East governments from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak of Egypt to the Saudi royal family
    • the invasion, bombing and occupation of Afghanistan, 2001 to the present, and Iraq, 2003 to the present
    • the bombings and continuous firing of missiles to assassinate individuals in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya during the period of 2006-2011

    It can’t be repeated or emphasized enough. The biggest lie of the “war on terrorism”, although weakening, is that the targets of America’s attacks have an irrational hatred of the United States and its way of life, based on religious and cultural misunderstandings and envy.

    The large body of evidence to the contrary includes a 2004 report from the Defense Science Board, “a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense.” The report states:
    Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights,..."CONTINUED



    Thanks
     
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    Excellent post Grau. Thanks for all that proof that Israel is the USA's # 1 enemy. As people have said in the past - you are either for us or against us. Clearly, only those who hate America support its enemies.
     
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    This post pretty much closes the debate.
     
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    If the Chinese invaded the US, how many of your citizen would wish them out?

    Answer: Everybody but the traitors and the Chinese regime's pets.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you're saying Israel invaded the USA?

    when did this happen???

    LOL!!!!

    :roflol:
     
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    Not everybody is as confused as you are.
     
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    Im not the topic of this thread, bro
     
  9. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks so much for your kind words.

    One of the points I had hoped to make was that my generous Muslim hosts viewed me first as their guest from afar who happened to be American rather than an American who was the embodiment of America's criminal, "Israel First" Foreign Policy.

    Therefore, just because Israel has repeatedly proven to be America's primary threat [1] & enemy, that reality does not make all of Israeli citizens & Jews the embodiment of the treacherous & Genocidal Israeli / Zionist government.

    In fact, a growing majority of American Jews condemn the criminal Zionist Regime for the same reasons non Jews condemn America's #1 Security Threat & reasons that Israel is among the most unpopular countries in the world [2].


    “Opposition to Israeli policies growing among Jews in USA”
    https://redflag.org.au/article/opposition-israeli-policies-growing-among-jews-usa

    EXCERPT “ For most of its existence since 1948, Israel has had the support of most Jews in the US.
    That is beginning to change, on different levels.
    This is important because US imperialism’s military and economic support for Israel is key to the maintenance of the Jewish-supremacist state.

    As more US Jews speak out to one degree or another in opposition to Israeli policies, they can have an impact.
    The emergence and growth of Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is an important indicator. “We represent a growing portion of Jewish Americans.

    Israel claims to be acting in the name of the Jewish people, so we are compelled to make sure the world knows that many Jews are opposed to their actions.

    There are often attempts to silence critics of Israel by conflating legitimate criticism with anti-Semitism. Israel is a state, not a person. Everyone has the right to criticise unjust actions of a state.”CONTINUED



    The reality expressed in the last sentence of that article: "Everyone has the right to criticise unjust actions of a state.”
    is a reality that is anathema to Zionists employed by Israel's Hasbara network of paid, trained & State supported "Israel Advocates"

    According to the Zionist Hasbara playbook, all Jews who do not support Israel's parasitic & Genocidal Netanyahu Regime are to be reviled & insulted as "Self Hating" Jews simply because they have the courage & decency to condemn the indefensible policies of America's true #1 Threat & most insidious enemy.

    Just as you stated
    , a growing number of American Jews are clearly "with us" and their courage to do so should be welcomed, appreciated & respected by Jews & non Jews alike.

    Thanks,



    [1] “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...eatest-threat-to-us-national-interests/22135/

    EXCERPT “ (*)It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.

    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.”CONTINUED



    [2] “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations” http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

    EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.
    Only 21 percent of participants had a positive view on Israel, while 52 percent viewed the country unfavorably. Iran, in comparison, won the favorable opinion of 15 percent of those who answered the survey, while 59 percent viewed it unfavorably.”CONTINUED
     
  10. DrewBedson

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    The Iraq War Resolution approved by Congress makes no mention of Israel rather enforcing UNSC resolutions being the solke goal. Another attempt by yourself to muddy the waters of truth.
    And how many thousands of US deaths occured in1968 due to Islamic terrorism?

    Bull I lived in Syria and Egypt for two years and never once was asked those questions.

    But you contend that the media is run by Jews in which case this report would never be permitted to appear. In fact, it seems to show that the Jews do not run the media as you and others contend.


    From your link it explains the Arab clandestine actions that require rebuttal. Or do you only see something foul when it is a Jew simply countering lies?

    ""
    THE ORGANIZED OPPOSITION
    The Arabs
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    They have been quite active on speaking platforms in Northern California: speakers included Sayegh, Basheer, Mehdi, and George
    Mardikian ••• Batal now active in Birmingham '!-1here ha apparently lives. Hadavri activ as usual. Four Egyptian students at M~1ell
    Air Force Base are quite busy with anti-Israel propaganda. El Khatib, mayor of Jerusalem, Jordan, has been speaking in Southern
    cormnunities. (No1-Orleans Zion5.st Council chairmCln handled the counteraction well.)... Arabs in San Francisco area making some inroads in groups interested in the new African countries. We continue to counteract the Arab speakers wherever they appear, by placmg our otm speakers .on same platforms. Thus, Abu Diab~olas effectively followed up by Ben Dov, M4'-Ilawi by Rarnnti, Batal.by the Rev. Daniel, the Mayor of Bethlehem by Heron" etc We are now working on the others. Arab News and Views, a publication of the AIC, continues to quot~heaVily trom American Council for Judaism material.
    .
    American Friends or the Middle East - They continue in th~ir nnti-Tsr~el activities which we routinely combat. AFr·1E plan$ to enlarge its acttvities this year. AFME underwrote part of Sayegh's salary at Stanford... AF!'~in pursuance ot its policy ot defending the status quo in some Middle East countries, otferedbribes to various Middle East Student Organizationsin the United states itther would refrain from criticizing their home governments; one student body accepted the cash" another group rejected it... Sheldon Mil13, tormer U.S. Ambassador ·to Jordan, delivered a hostile talk at Reed College, Portland. The, Rev. Ceoi1 Osborne Or Burlingame continues to be active.""


    Typical Grau, quotes a comedian and tries to pawn it off as the word of God.

    He can tell his people whatever he wants. You have a problem with a leader telling his people he will get them help?
     
  11. Grau

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    Until the invasion of FOREIGN Zionist Terrorist Gangs, very few Muslims expressed anti Jewish sentiment.

    Can you name ANY example of invaded & brutally Occupied Native Residents of ANY land meekly accepting the theft of their Homeland, massacring of their families & peacefully submitting to the most brutal & longest, foreign & Genocidal Occupation in modern history?





    “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
    EXCERPTS:
    Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

    “ For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors.
    This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine.

    British held a commission of inquiry, which reported their finding that “there is no inherent anti-Semitism in the country, racial or religious.” Rather, Arab attacks on Jewish communities were the result of Arab fears about the stated goal of the Zionists to take over the land.

    the British Shaw Commission report noted that “In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents.”

    Representatives from all sides of the emerging conflict testified to the commission that prior to the First World War, “the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which today is almost unknown in Palestine.”CONTINUED

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies.”
     
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    nonsense.

    Muslims in the Middle East have been persecuting and massacring Jews for centuries, long before Zionism was even a thought.

    even though the Jews helped the Muslims defend Palestine from the Crusaders.

    talk about stab in the back.
     
  13. Grau

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    1.
    Of course it makes no mention of Israel. Note the word "QUIETLY" in AIPAC's "Success" into deceiving the US into sacrificing thousands of young Americans for another War for your Israel.
    Typical "Drew...." Lies of omission.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03



    2.
    You have to actually mix with & talk to Arabs to know what they think.


    3.
    Typical Hasbara deception. Where have I ever said that all "the media is run by Jews"?

    The following are the 2 sources I cited. What I HAVE mentioned is about America's Zionist DOMINATED MAJOR Media. Zionists do not dominate Independent Media which is reviled by Hasbara Trolls as "Neo-Nazi Hate sites" etc.
    Quit lying about what I say, "Drew"

    “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR



    “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html

    EXCERPTAccording to Grant F. Smith, director of IRmep, "It is frightening how easily some in the American news media surrendered to a foreign public relations campaign that spent the 2010 equivalent of $36 million over two years. Time has proven most of the planted content to be misleading, if not dangerous. (*)These historical documents hold many important lessons for Americans who have long needed—but rarely received—straight reporting on key Middle East issues."
    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation's record keeper. (*)It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. (*)The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington."CONTINUED


    I would respond to all of your distortions but, in addition to having a delightful & busy life, I don't get paid to spend hours & hours distorting other peoples' Posts
     
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    And the Congress made no mention of Israel in their approval for action against Iraq meaning there was no action for Israel. Seems you read whatever crap you want into everything.

    Correct and I did. None of them were asking those questions Grau.

    Here;

    I didn't. You said the media was run by Jews and I supplied the proof you did.

    Seems like you get paid as you post enough fabrications that no sane person would unless they get something in return for posting falsehoods.
     
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    You're making unfounded. Off Topic & unsupported generalizations again just as you omitted the reality of the genocide perpetrated on Canaan's Native Residents by invading Hebrew Tribes before the advent of Islam.

    Jews were also targets of Christian Crusaders so the weren't exactly helping
    The topic, however is Military Aid to Israel which is strongly opposed by the vast majority of loyal Americans:


    “81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel”
    http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/
    EXCERPT “Some 80.8 percent of Americans oppose the $38 billion in “aid” that the Jewish lobby-controlled U.S. Government last week pledged to Israel, an IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys has found.

    At the same time, the Jewish lobby will pour money into campaign funds of politicians who support this “aid” package, while the controlled media will demonize any candidate for office who dares to oppose it.

    The poll found that the vast majority of Americans want the $38 billion “aid” pledge to be redirected toward other priorities, such as caring for vets, education, and lowering national debt.

    The IRmep poll has however found that 80.8 percent of the U.S. adult internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by education spending (20.1 percent), and paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    Rebuilding U.S. infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.” CONTINUED


    What do YOU think $38 Billion in American money should be spent on?

    And, please spare me the nonsense about the many ways in which America's enabling Zionist Genocide in Palestine is somehow "good for America" when most of the planet is disgusted with US complicity in today's Zionist Genocide
     
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    Which is kind of a good news for our Hasbara people here. That being said I must salute DrewBedson for being man enough to tackle your points. Great discussion you guys are having.
     
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    1. Re:
    Not even close: where did I say "The Jews run all the Media"


    2. Re:
    What B.S. If you had REALLY spent "2 years in Egypt & Syria", you would have mentioned it before just now.


    Re:
    This is easy. Who spends the most time here & which of us posts the Greater number of Posts per day.

    Enough of this Off Topic nonsense.

    The topic is " Military Aid to Israel" which is strongly opposed by a whopping 81% of LOYAL Americans & supported by America's infestation of Zionist Parasites, 16.8%.

    “81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel”
    http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/

    EXCERPT “Some 80.8 percent of Americans oppose the $38 billion in “aid” that the Jewish lobby-controlled U.S. Government last week pledged to Israel, an IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys has found.

    At the same time, the Jewish lobby will pour money into campaign funds of politicians who support this “aid” package, while the controlled media will demonize any candidate for office who dares to oppose it.

    The poll found that the vast majority of Americans want the $38 billion “aid” pledge to be redirected toward other priorities, such as caring for vets, education, and lowering national debt.

    The IRmep poll has however found that 80.8 percent of the U.S. adult internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by education spending (20.1 percent), and paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    Rebuilding U.S. infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.” CONTINUED


    I would ask what you think the $38 Billion should be used for but can already guess.
     
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    I see you have given up trying to contend that the invasion of Iraq was solely for the purpose of doing Israel's bidding. Good, now we can move ahead.

    Here;

    Unless of course you are now going to say that you were mistaken and Jews do not run CNN, Fox, Sky News, Washington Post, New York Times, etc.

    I've mentioned it more than a few times Grau, among them were these;

    And posts the most falsehoods. That would be you in a heartbeat.

    So you have now had enough of your own of topic nonsnse such as the unproven idiocy of Israeli Snipers in Iraq?

    and your shot-down-in-flames contention that the Iraq invasion was done because of Israel's bidding, whatever that has to do with aid to Israel;

    Or how Israel is a security threat to the US, wayyyy off topic as usual Grau;

    Or your version of the history of Arab terrorism;

    A quick anti Israel quote from an unqualified comdeian;

    Some bogus questions;

    More anti Israel activities in the US while ignoring that it is just in response to anti Israel activities by Arabs in the US;

    Some more off topic opinions;

    More comedy of little substance;

    It is. Wondering why you continually go off topic then.

    I think the government will simply waste it somewhere else Grau. Do you seriously think the government will take 38 billion and return it to taxpayers? Ok, I'll play. they could build better telescopes to look for astroids that might destroy earth. They could fund more children's sports, they could buy more tanks, build more halfway houses but you know what they would do - give it away to some pother nation just because that's how the US buys influence.
     
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    I've edited out your usual Off-Topic obfuscations & evasive quips since they are diversionary from the specific Topic at hand.

    I'll make this easy & salient to the Topic: "Military Aid to Israel" which comes in many forms & pushed through Congress by the most influential Lobbies in American government: AIPAC, JINSA ADL etc

    1. Re:
    Let me be clear: America's War on Iraq remains a cost to Americans of Right Wing Israeli machinations & was PRIMARILY driven by Right Wing Zionist Israeli interests and as part of Israel's Oded Yinon Plan, i.e. for the benefit of a "Greater Israel" which is to the severe detriment of US Interests & Regional stability:

    Please read & learn:

    “GREATER ISRAEL”: THE ZIONIST PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST”
    The Infamous “Oded Yinon Plan”.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/233047475/Greater-Israel

    EXCERPT “[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World.

    In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.

    The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military‟s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan..."CONTINUED

    Please note the observation: "Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state."

    Therefore, what part of:

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03" do you not understand as the desire of "Israeli strategists" & AIPAC Operatives in the US?

    Additionally:

    “JEWISH WRITERS CLAIM POWERFUL ZIONISTS DROVE USA INTO MID-EAST WAR FOR SAKE OF ISRAEL”
    http://www.middleeast.org/print.cgi?category=Magazine&year=2005&month=6&num=1288

    Not that any "Israel Firster" would care, but that Zionist driven War continues to cost America dearly in LOYAL American blood & $Trillions.

    “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars” CONTINUED


    Therefore the $3.8 Billion per year so strongly opposed by a vast majority of loyal Americans is, as reported: ".....just the tip of the iceberg." (see above)


    When I said "vast majority" of loyal Americans, I am referring to:

    “81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel”
    http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/

    EXCERPT “Some 80.8 percent of Americans oppose the $38 billion in “aid” that the Jewish lobby-controlled U.S. Government last week pledged to Israel, an IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys has found.

    At the same time, the Jewish lobby will pour money into campaign funds of politicians who support this “aid” package, while the controlled media will demonize any candidate for office who dares to oppose it.

    The poll found that the vast majority of Americans want the $38 billion “aid” pledge to be redirected toward other priorities, such as caring for vets, education, and lowering national debt.

    The IRmep poll has however found that 80.8 percent of the U.S. adult internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

    Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by education spending (20.1 percent), and paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

    Rebuilding U.S. infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

    Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.” CONTINUED




    As you noted:
    Firstly, I'm glad you agree that aid to Israel is at least a "waste" however, because it is used to aid & abet ruthless Zionist Genocide & the Oded Yinon Plan, it is not just a "waste", it is a criminal enormity that destabilizes the entire Region

    Secondly, I'm not naive enough to think that the US Government WILL certainly do something as useful as funding something moral & sensible like upgrading V.A. Hospitals, education spending and / or paying down the national debt but anything is better than further counterproductive funding of the Israeli Government's Genocidal agenda & Oded Yinon Plan
     
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    hahaha!!!!

    this poll does NOT say what you claim it says.

    let us know when there is a real poll that asks "do you support the $3.8 billion per year aid plan for Israel?"
     
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    Yes, shills think it's always good to edit out the parts where your own falsehoods are exposed.

    How bizarre then that you seem to have gone way off track here and as usual [post off topic drivel. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Israel rather, the citation for approval in Congress was broken UNSC Ceasefire conditions and UNSC Resolutions.
    Please read & learn:

    Yep. Wayyyyyyyoff topic. You were speaking of aid to Israel and now want to speak of Israel taking over the world or some other antisemitic conspiracy.

    Strange, the US went into Iraq to enforce UNSC Ceasefire conditions. What on earth does Israel have to do with those? And why are you going off topic again?

    The author is a known antisemitic and In 2007, was found guilty of misdemeanor aggravated assault and resisting arrest, after a confrontation with police officers in front of his home in the Chicago area. He never appeared for sentencing and has since is presumed to be living in Europe with his wife, a Swedish citizen, and children. The article first appeared on Rense which is antisemitic and is, like the author of your piece, heavily involved in antisemitic conspiracy theories.

    Oh, it's also wayyyy off topic.

    Link? Or you couldn't find one on Stormfront or IHR?:roflol:


    When I said "vast majority" of loyal Americans, I am referring to:
    Surely to goodness you can find something other than a Holocaust Denial site to support your on topic contention Grau.

    http://newobserveronline.com/?s=holocaust&submit=

    Actually I am for it as this is the only thing that stops Israel from using more lethal measures in dealing with her neighbors. Without aid they would certainly not open their doors to those who wish to kill them rather the opposite, they would be strapped for funds and simply close the borders and starve their enemies into submission. I certainly don't wish to see Arabs and Muslims die by the hundreds of thousands so see this as a painful alternative.

    Without aid to Israel Israel will simply use more lethal means to deal with their problems. In any case, your last paragraph shows what is your true rationale. It is not the cost of the aid you are complaining about but rather the recipient. Typical for one who's proof always leads back to antisemitic websites and Holocaust Denial propagators.
     
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    FACT CHECK TIME

    FACT CHECK TIME

    "DrewBedson" refers to one of my sources as a
    I hope readers will check & decide for themselves if publishing a story on a self admitted Holocaust Hoaxer, "Joseph Hirt", makes a News Source a: "Holocaust Denial site..."


    “Holocaust Hoaxer: ‘Lied to Enhance the Truth’”
    http://newobserveronline.com/holocaust-hoaxer-lied-enhance-truth/
    EXCERPT “A shocking insight into the duplicitous minds of Jewish holocaust hoaxers has been provided with the confession by a prominent “survivor” that he made up Auschwitz lies “in order to enhance the truth.”
    Joseph Hirt, who has spent the last 15 years touring schools and educational institutions all over the US East Coast, was exposed as a liar last month by a local schoolteacher.”CONTINUED


    The same story was run by "The Guardian".... Does publishing a story on a man who admitted to being another Holocaust Hoaxer make "The Guardian" a

    “Man who claimed to have escaped Auschwitz admits he lied for years”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/holocaust-survivor-lied-joseph-hirt-auschwitz

    EXCERPT “A Pennsylvania man who claimed for years to have escaped from Auschwitz, met track and field star Jesse Owens and Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, confessed on Friday that he had fabricated the entire story.
    “I am writing today to apologize publicly for harm caused to anyone because of my inserting myself into the descriptions of life in Auschwitz,” Joseph Hirt, 86, wrote in a letter sent to his local paper, LNP, this week. “I was not a prisoner there. I did not intend to lessen or overshadow the events which truly happened there by falsely claiming to have been personally involved.”CONTINUED


    My intention is not to go Off-Topic or De-rail this thread but rather to establish the credibility of the sources I use as well as expose what is considered a
    in the opinion of "DrewBedson"
     
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    Jewish Supremacists Using “Holocaust Fable” to Promote Third World Invasion of Europe
     

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