Mitt Romney leads New Hampshire poll.... but still not running.

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  1. DennisTate

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    And I think that a century from now a high percentage of Americans may look back at our time period and regard President Mitt Romney as one of the greatest Presidents America has ever had.........… right up there with Lincoln and Kennedy and Washington!!!!

    http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ad-some-sort-of-darius-mantle-on-him.7812039/

    Somebody predicted that Mitt Romney had some sort of "Darius" mantle on him.

    I would love to see him run for the office of President again!


     
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    There is no need for a Romney. The Repubs are dropping some bombs on him. Then the left is shelling him why the MS media is attacking him from the ground on all sides.

    Although, when the MS media said they don't know what to do about trump Lying. I couldn't help but think how they are the same way with Hillary.
     
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    How many republican defeats in a row do you want to see? Romney had a chance and blew it. Case Closed
     
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    The popularity of Trump grows by leaps and bounds....whilst all you pc republicans, liberals, democrats and the usual suspects grind your teeth....tooooo funni.
     
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    over half of americans like Obama just fine. Mitt just tells you how bad the GOP current field is.
     
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    I personally think that The Donald has a massive role to play in events in America over the coming two decades......… but he needs help and each of us humans have certain strengths and certain weaknesses.

    The Donald........ is extremely blunt and honest and has the courage to get into some topics that I personally attempted to make more people aware of in all of my own campaigns..... I was very unsuccessful though because I quoted ideas about American history a great deal in my own campaigns.......... here in Nova Scotia, Canada.

    www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

    As I have told many of you, the reason why I am running for the office of Municipal Councillor is because I believe that Canada had a much better monetary and banking system in the past and that we must force our provincial and federal politicians to abandon our present banking system and utilize the taxation and monetary system visualized by the men who drafted the original Canadian Constitution.

    Many of you are already aware that our federal government is forbidden by our Constitution to collect income tax, or any direct fax, from us but very few Canadians understand the history of banking policy in Canada and to what degree our system is based on attempts at banking reform in the United States. When you fully understand this question I am certain that you will be angry. I certainly am.


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    No..... even President Ronald Reagan volunteered three times to toss his hat in the ring again and again......… and on the third try he succeeded!
     
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    If he does that, and I don't think Mr. Romney can make a run at this late date, or even win, it would be the same mistake he made running against Obama. First - he would be perceived as a man coming in to stop Donald Trump only, not to win the Presidency for the Republican's, and it would elect Hillary Clinton. Second, in the late stages of the 2012 campaign, he disappeared from the campaign trail. Obama was on Letterman; Leno; O'Reilly; Good Morning America; the Christian Science Monitor national convention (sic), in other words, doing what he does best, attempting to masquerade as the great united, when in fact he has become the greatest divider in American political history.

    But - you couldn't turn on the television or radio, or pick up a magazine, and not see Obama - Obama - Obama. He was everywhere in that campaign, and secondly, the GOP and Romney's weak campaign allowed Obama to portray him as incompetent to lead, even attacked his Mormon roots (which are closer to American ethics values than anything Obama has). Romney wasn't tough - he wasn't interesting on the campaign trail, he was believable - he though Obama's horrible first term was sufficient for the American voter's to elect him in a walk, and he didn't need to RUN for the victory. Obama never stopped running for the victory - even today Obama is still the candidate - not the President - it's always what we should do; what we can do; what we will do - and of course, under Obama, we do nothing, which is exactly why Mr. Trump is leading in all the polls.

    I though Romney would have been an excellent President, but every interview he gives, he comes across as weak and indecisive in his ideas, and his outlook. That is why he got beat, along with making himself scarce to the public in the closing stages of the 2012 election. A mistake which many candidates have made in American Presidential runs.

    The Democrats tried that with Stevenson in 1960, in a desperate effort to stop Kennedy's nomination, which a Romney run now would be to stop Trump.

    Tom Dewey thought he WAS President in 1948 with Harry Truman's poor job approval record. Truman went to the people and proved Dewey wrong.

    Hillary Clinton was a shoe-in for the 2008 Democratic nomination against Obama, until the DNC took it away from her. Unfortunately, she hasn't gotten the message yet.

    John Kerry was a decided favorite to take out George W. Bush, Jr. in 2004, and got badly beaten.

    The American political system (with the exception of Mr. Trump), is controlled by the big money interest's and the PAC's now. Late popular runs for the office are common, and ineffective. Look at the Rick Santorum excitement vs Romney himself in 2012, a small flame which quickly blew out.

    No, I am afraid Mr. Romney is a lot of days and dollars short of taking the GOP nomination away from anybody in race now. Perhaps a Cabinet post in a Trump administration like UN Secretary would be in the offing, but he shouldn't run, he couldn't win, and it would be the same old Republican conservatives shooting themselves in the foot and snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory if they let Romney into the race now.................:thumbsdown:
     
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    Wow!!

    Your analysis is quite exceptional!

    I tend to agree with you that he is leaving this somewhat late and I personally feel that January 3, 2016 should be the latest date for Mr. Mitt Romney to toss his hat in the ring and yes....... I must admit that UN Secretary would also be an excellent option for him?!

    I do believe though that his team of true believers have been busy campaigning behind the scenes which means that he could enter this somewhat late...… and still win........ It would be excellent if he did not vehemently criticize The Donald though....... because The Donald is obviously playing a significant role in breaking the G. O. P. out of outdated and illogical ideas that must be objectively looked at.
     
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    It is not as complicated as some try and make it.....Romney lost simply because he could not attract enough white voters....now if you want to break it down why he could not get about 75% of the white vote which is what he needed then it comes down to the following: he was an elitist and a member of a cult. Thus huge numbers of white voters simply stayed home. He had nothing to offer the White Working Class who are the ones specifically that prevented him from winning.

    Oh you can talk about a lot of areas where he failed...but the White Working Class ....huge numbers of them...lacking enough enthusiasm for him to take the trouble to go to the polls is actually what prevented him from winning.

    The above indicates also why Donald Trump is getting so much support. The White Working Class loves the Donald. Trump is a populist and he despite being a billionaire understands the White Working Class and his promise to help them and tax the rich more....resonates with them. Where the GOP establishment falls short is that they do not understand really why they lost....they want to talk the minority vote and how they might be able to get that ....not realizing that the only class of voters that can actually enable a republican victory at the national level...is the white working class...the biggest bloc of voters out there...and if they (Republicans) really want to win(of which I am not convinced) then that is where they need to put their efforts...offer the White Working Class something that will motivate them to get out and vote....Jeb Bush shot himself in the foot by supporting amnesty....something the White Working Class is definitely against.

    I am convinced Karl Rove and his crowd had rather see Hillary win than the Donald....thus they would preserve their power in the party....of which they care more about than actually supporting a candidate that can win.

    The most interesting question is why the GOP establishment ...karl rove etc. oppose the Donald so much....I think basically because he is so politically incorrect....the GOP establishment being just as PC as the democrats fear anyone who does not toe the line on that....not even to mention Trump's desire to tax the rich more. In a nutshell they fear Trump ....thinking he is too radical.
     
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    Ah - did you actually read those polls; Trump wins them all easily. Rubio is a lightweight, not qualified for President - and he trails Trump in his home state of Florida, and even among likely Hispanic voters, despite being Hispanic himself. When are these fools like Carson, who can't win the GOP nomination; Rubio; Bush; Fiorino; Kasich; Christie, etc., going to drop out - endorse a strong candidate like Donald Trump (because the true GOP conservative element can never win the White House again), and move into modern times? Obama - a rookie has schooled them twice - is it possible they are so stupid (GOP), that they would go against Trump - and lose to Hillary Clinton to maintain Goldwater-type conservatism in the party? All Donald Trump has to do to end this charade of opponents is privately threaten to run third party if they deny him the nomination - he leads the polls, and leads Clinton, all across the country............
     
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    Explain please what "disaster" Donald Trump, worth $10 billion dollars, is to the Republican Party, bringing one of the highest skill sets of leadership; negotiation and toughness to the campaign and the White House since Bill Clinton? As for who picks up the most endorsements, they mean nothing - Trump has the same money and more, than any of the endorsers of the lame GOP group offing of candidates - he doesn't need them - he was a major endorser and Special Interest himself, donating millions to political candidates. People are forgetting just how smart this guy happens to be - everybody else in the race vs him is on the JV team............
     
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    Mr. Trump has made the Mainstream Media of America a laughingstock, nobody is paying any attention to them. He has the silent majority locked up - and has identified the majority of the media for what they are - lying scum. That's why they don't give him any credit and always try to cast him in a bad light. The problem for them is, they can't cage him, he is too smart for them, and every other candidate in the race. This election is going to be decided on social media, trust, getting the country moving again, and leadership. Foreign Affairs? Unimportant this time around - they will deal with it later, unless Obama decides to go to war, which the country won't support. Trump owns all the major questions of the campaign; illegal immigrant's; strengthening the military; closing the border; re-negotiation of our trade deals with the Oriental economic giants; ignoring the idiot mainstream media's opinions; All the other candidates fall all over themselves trying to please the media - instead of standing up there like Trump and telling them to buzz off. Romney? Not electable. He was, until that tub reporter Candy Crowley interrupted his ticking off the Benghazi truths and Obama's lies, sitting him down like a schoolboy. Had he stood up to that and insisted she shut the hell up and let him finish - Obama probably would have been finished - at least Romney would have stood a chance, instead, he went into a shell, and the liberals shelled him out of the possibility of winning. They can't do that with a Donald Trump.
     
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    I"m no conspiracy theorist, but the Trump campaign almost makes me want to be one. Opinion polls show that people trust Hillary in national security matters most, but they still think of her as being less than honest and use the word liar to describe her. Trump spouts off that he witnessed Muslims celebrating in Jersey City at approximately the same time he saw people jumping from the twin towers and is called on it, but his polls only get better. It's obvious that he isn't being truthful, but it doesn't seem to matter. It takes the Republican talking point of Hillary's dishonesty away, since Trump is being dishonest too. If (and that's a big IF) they each become their respective party's nominee, we'll have a liar versus a liar in the general election. I read a post by [MENTION=66297]perotista[/MENTION] the other day that mentioned a Republican party operative stating that Trump was running to help Hillary win. Looking back on things that have happened in his campaign, I can see why people would think that way…. and it's mind-blowing. :eyepopping:
     
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    Nice analysis. Trump seems to have the Silent Majority, which essentially is the white working class of America - the Reagan Democrats so to speak, locked up. Nobody else in the GOP race has said or brings any ideas that resonate with them, just more of the same professional politician, Special Interest establishment. That's why people post that endorsements are important - they are not. Trump doesn't have any, and apparently doesn't need any. He isn't a radical, he has been in the political system at the top of the Special Interest's of both parties, who always went to him for favors and money for years and years. Why not? He is worth at least $10 billion. What the average Democratic PC liberal, mainstream media's ideas are, not important to him, he is above them - and knows the banking; financial; business systems of this country better than anybody. Rove is an idiot, but you are right - he is the leading opponent to a Trump win, would rather unleash the horror of a Hillary Clinton on America, than win with Donald Trump, who would probably drum him, and his ilk out of the GOP, and establish a new high in credibility for that party. They have the White House in sight with Trump - and the entire GOP establishment of candidates who have no business still remaining in the race, or voicing opinions, because they have no chance of winning that nomination, still are trying to stop him. I am willing to take the chance on Donald Trump, he has been around a long, long time, vetted and accomplished in everything he does - and brings an excellent leadership skill set to Washington if he wins. Also, he has the common, and occasional nasty-tough-even obscene touch that a Harry Truman had - remaining himself even though he was the President. American's like that - I think at this stage after eight years of stupid, PC liberal experimentation, which has destroyed this country, almost bringing it to its knees, Mr. Trump is needed in Washington, and the largest voting bloc in the nation also seems to understand it too...........
     
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    There are other polls that show almost every other candidate other then Trump beating Hillary with Trump losing to her. As to the nomination, that is up to Republicans.

    Trump trail Clinton by 4.4 points according to the RCP averages. Hillary leads Cruz by 1.3 points, but Rubio leads Clinton by 1.4, Carson leads by 2.4.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html

    Its still early. things will change. So we will see what happens. But as of today Trump fairs the worst of all Republican candidates in a head to head match up with Hillary. Even worst than the dreaded Bush.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html
     
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    Your last sentence says it all. If so get ready for President Hillary Clinton. There back in July when Trump first entered the race for the Republican nomination. A Republican county chairman told me Trump was mighty close with Bill and Hillary Clinton and his goal was to sabotage the GOP nomination process to ensure Hillary won. With all Trump's antics up to date and his renewed threat of an independent candidate, you last sentence makes sense.
     
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    You do realize what tiny margins like those represent in actual voters don't you? Nearly non-existent in the overall picture of things. Trump leads Clinton in every state head-to-head the last poll I saw, except in Colorado. Perhaps the red state is high on their legal pot.........
     
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    I really wish Mitt would run.

    He was a good Governor of Massachusetts and he is MODERATE!!

    Either Trump or Hillary is not much of a choice!!

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    Your absolutely right!!

    Hillary will destroy Trump as far as votes.

    Only Mitt Romney could beat Hillary but Mitt's not running.

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    "Mitt Romney leads New Hampshire poll.... but still not running. "

    lol, sounds like republicans are voting "none of the above' there
     
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    Absolutely! Go Trump Go!!!
     
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    Here is a list of the 10 toss up states compliments of RCP.
    New Hampshire Clinton up by 7 on 11-18/Clinton 6 on10-21/Clinton 3 on 10-6
    VA Clinton up by 14 on 11-13/Clinton by 7 on 10-12
    NC Clinton up by 10 on 11-5
    FL Trump up by 8 on 11-16/Trump by 4 10-28
    OH Clinton up 1 on 10-7
    MI Clinton up 8 11-5
    WI Clinton up 11 on 10-22/Clinton 14 on 10-1
    IA Tie on 11-1/Trump by 7 on 10-6
    CO Trump by 11 on 11-18
    Nothing on Nevada.
     
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    Mitt would probably lose worst than in 2012. Both Trump and Clinton have a huge problem with independents. Looking at the polls independents are giving both Trump and Clinton around a 60% unfavorable or dislike rating. It is only the Democrats who like Clinton and at this moment around 30% of Republicans. But that will change some as the nomination process continues.

    Neither party realizes how much dislike those in the middle, not belonging to either party have for their potential nominees or the leaders. But it is the two major parties who choose their nominees and the rest of us just have to put up with it. It is a failure of the two party system. The thing is when most Americans identified with the two parties, you didn't have this dislike of them or their nominees. People are leaving the two major parties for various reasons. back in 1960 80% of Americans identified with the two parties. By 1980 that number was down to 70% and in 2000 down to 60%. Today only 55% now identify themselves with the two parties and independents have grown up to 40-45%.

    Having to choose between Trump and Clinton will only lead to more defections. Perhaps by the year 2020 independents will account for half of the electorate.
     
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    I think so to Pero. Romney would do worse than in 2012. The Tea Party and Conservatives would break him down.

    Although I am sure he likes that his name keeps getting mentioned.
     
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    Actually I think Mitt would do very well.

    He would gain the GOP nomination over Trump.

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