Mitt Romney leads New Hampshire poll.... but still not running.

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most politicians, active or retired love seeing their names in lights.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One thing that Romney lacks is trust even within the Republican Party. You're talking about someone who is viewed as switching his life long held political believes 180 degrees to run for president. Then too he made a lot of Republican angry at him for his personal attacks against other candidates and believe me, some of that anger is still around.

    Trump is making the same mistake with his personal attacks. How Romney would do against Trump for the GOP nomination, I haven't the slightest idea. Romney might do a bit better in the general, in a head to head against Hillary. I would say that looking only at favorable/unfavorable ratings which does not always apply, but is a good guideline.

    Romney finished at 46-46 favorable vs unfavorable to Obama's 52-44 and Obama won by 4 points. Today Trump is averaging 42-56 favorable vs. unfavorable among the electorate as a whole and using those numbers Romney probably would do better. That is at this point in time and if Romney's numbers remained as they were on Election day of 2012.

    The thing is Trump is unique. No one like him has run for president before. So what history has given us to go on in the past may not apply to today. A TV personality that has caught fire among some of the Republican base. A celebrity that has been for and against just about every issue depending what was in vogue at the time. Yet all of that just washes off him among a certain segment of the GOP primary electorate. Once you get to the general, that may not happen when he goes after the independent vote which at the moment view Trump at a 60% unfavorable rating.

    Usually that would mean Trump is a sure loser in the general, but Clinton is sitting at approximately the same rating. Clinton is not as well liked or looked upon as Obama was back in 2012.
     
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    Romney can't even get up a Team to run a Campaign. People he had are split amongst 3 different GOP Candidates.
     
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    Things must be bad for Republicans if they need someone who isn't running. Especially given the number of candidates already in the race.
     
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    I would imagine so. He also does not have all the money like he did in the 2012 Republican primaries. I have heard quite a lot of talk down here in Georgia that it was his money advantage that bought him the nomination in 2012. From Republicans that is. I tend to agree. If you look back, Romney won the states in the primaries where he outspent all of his opponents by 5-1 or in some cases 10-1. In the states where the money was relative even, he lost.
     
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    I think the left would like to see Romney run.....seems that is whom usually brings him up. That's not to say some moderates wouldn't.

    Still he even had a chance to get into this run. He didn't take it when he had the chance. Nor will he try now or later.
     
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    You're right. There hasn't been a brokered convention since the 1940's when the nomination process began going to primaries. I highly doubt Romney would received much consideration if somehow none of the candidates received the necessary delegates.
     
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    I personally, from my three little local campaigns have at least some idea of how demanding a political campaign can really be......… and just as I am planning on campaigning again in the future when the time seems right.......... I suspect that Mr. Mitt Romney is within weeks of announcing his candidacy again........... and I perceive the atmosphere of this third Presidential campaign to be substantially different than if he had entered the race three to six months ago.

    I think he and his team of advisors were EXTREMELY WISE....... to wait and wait and wait..... to see who the leaders were in a race that technically..... he was not officially in himself!
     
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    Heya Dennis. [​IMG] Local campaigns aren't like running a National Campaign. He wont be able to keep up with the money.

    The GOP doesn't need any more distractions. They have enough.
     
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    But isn't it quite possible that money...… is one of the major reasons why Mr. Mitt Romney has decided to wait and wait and wait?

    Nine - 12 months ago.... many of the wealthiest G.O.P. supporters were betting on Mr. Jeb Bush......… those extremely wealthy contributors are now obviously aware that Mr. Jeb Bush cannot win this....... so they are right now deciding on who to talk to and support next...… and you can rest assured that the name Mitt Romney is being discussed!

    Whether or not Mitt tosses his hat in the ring again over the coming few weeks or months....... to some degree depends on exactly who calls him or contacts his people...… and what they say........ and how they say it..... and yes...… on the sheer size of the numbers mentioned????
     
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    Rubio has picked up Singer. Then Vandersloot. These are the Billionaire Shakers and Makers. What Money will be out there for Romney to pick up?

    Currently Rubio leads Clinton in the General. So to does Fiorina, and Bush. According to RCP.
     
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    The GOP is so hilarious...They have a ton of losers running for the nomination...Then talk about drafting Romney, a proven loser...Repugs are not at all serious about winning...
     
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    Try again.....Hillary tucks her tail in and runs away everytime Fiorina (a real woman) calls Hillary ( a wannabe real woman) out.

    Talk about not being in the knowing. :roll:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of Mitt's options of course is to settle for the role of V. P. or perhaps Secretary of State. If somebody that he is extremely impressed with jumps into fourth or third place....... then Mitt has some interesting options in front of him.

    Also...… Rubio or Dr. Carson could well be willing to settle for the role of V. P. if that looks like the best way to end up perhaps as being President in 2020 or 2024?????

    Even back in February I was thinking that V. P. was the office that Dr. Ben should probably shoot for in 2016.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...-dr-ben-carson-v-p-2016-president-2024-a.html

    Dr. Ben Carson for V. P. in 2016 and for President in 2024?!



    I saw the movie Gifted Hands about a year ago and I personally do feel that Dr. Ben Carson can make a fantastic President of the USA ....... but......… the fact that he does not have experience in politics is a serious concern so it seems obvious to me that he needs to change course by around September or October of 2015 if by that time he has not established a firm lead as the leader of the G. O. P. contenders?!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifted_Hands:_The_Ben_Carson_Story

    My recommendation is that he speak with Mr. Mitt Romney as soon as possible and prove to all Americans that Dr. Carson is able to objectively access his own situation and turn what appears to be a liability into an asset...… .and plan for the long term!

    Mr. Mitt Romney almost defeated an incumbent President which happens only on extremely rare occasions. Mitt Romney can defeat Hillary but........... Mr. Romney has presented a powerful case that Jeb Bush....... cannot!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even this Wikipedia article is impressive........... Mr. Rubio's background makes him an obvious response to some of the controversy that The Donald has stirred up?!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Rubio

     
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    One of Mitt's options is to recognize that he lost.

    Bush should listen to him on that.

    Clinton is a strong candidate. And, the GOP prefers reality TV to evidence and real world policy development.

    It's no wonder that the GOP can't find a suit that isn't empty.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A couple of weeks ago I was praying and suggested to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that perhaps the G. O. P. should be given four terms..... and shut the Democratic Party out of the White House until about 2032 or so.

    The leadership of the Democratic Party played the race card brilliantly back in 2008 and got themselves major political gains but.......... the top fifty leaders in that party could not possibly have been unaware of the probable direction that President Obama would take America and the whole world in.

    If it were not for Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada a terrible error could have been made by the G-8 in 2011 that could have been an absolute disaster for our ally Israel.

    I admit that things could have been a whole lot worse......… I think that President Obama's older brother Malik has done something that sets the stage for genuine peace in the Middle East but................. back in 2007 and 2008 some serious errors were made by the leadership of the Democratic Party and it seems to me that the Most High who rules in the affairs of men should seriously consider setting in motion some consequences that prove that we do pay for our mistakes.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html

    Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?



    I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

    pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I am a member of a different Canadian political party but……… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!


    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/

    On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit - The Globe and Mail
     
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    Obama does just as much as any previous president in defending Israel's ethnic cleansing of West Bank and decade of unceasing war on the people of Gaza.

    I know it would be a gigantic disappointment to you if peace broke out. But, I have absolutely no understanding of how Israel, of all nations, could take a path of continued humanitarian atrocity in maintaining that war.
     
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    I don't see Romney being involved in any GOP Administration, after whichever Repub wins over Hillary.

    The truth of the matter is the Repubs could put an empty suit up against Hillary.....and still win. She is an incompetent mediocre politician, and a failure as a real woman. That which she runs on, as anything else she will say whatever just to get elected. Lying, flip flopping, and of course the attacks on the Repubs.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=434442&p=1065597001#post1065597001

    Here she talked about standing on her own two feet as a woman. Yet again and again, has to call Bilbo to come and help her out. She is truly quite pathetic even as a the mere human being she is.
     
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    Mr. Robert Mendelson wrote a fascinating and profoundly encouraging booklet on a one nation with two sub states theory that I do feel will happen.........… but not until the leadership of the Palestinian people give up on defeating Israel and shoving the Jewish people into one sea or another.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/322565-gods-peace-plan-holy-land.html

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land



    I read this intriguing plan for peace in the Middle East twice already! It is about fifty pages and well worth your time to consider!


    http://www.godspeaceplan.org/

    (Scroll down to the link: Click Here to Download Your Copy of the Peace Plan).

    Here is a review by an Islamic scholar:





     
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    Having to choose between Clinton and Jeb Bush, doubt anybody would go to the polls. Both of these family dynasties are going to be ended in November 2016; perhaps by Mr. Trump, who is on the way to the GOP nomination - perhaps by a Marco Rubio, although he is a lightweight on immigration and foreign affairs, having accomplished nothing in almost 5-years in the Senate. He has as little executive experience as Obama had when he ran in 2008. Whoever came up with the idea that 30% of the Republican party supports Hillary Clinton is smoking some cheap crack. The election will turn on voter turnout. Clinton will get the Black vote, but certainly not in the 90% turnout that Obama got simply based on the fact he was Black. The youth vote went for Obama twice, but it is the only time in history since they had the vote, that they turned out in sizable numbers to have an effect on the election. That same youth vote, with their tech tools, and eight years of being ignored by Obama, is more logically going to swing to a Donald Trump - business - enterprise mogul this time around, if they show. The GOP didn't come out for Romney and let the Democrats define the election of 2012. Qualified to govern? Of course he was, there are probably thousands of people in America qualified to govern this country, but you have to win the election, and Romney was a terrible candidate, while Obama remains a candidate - always speaking about what we should do; why we should do it; what we will do, etc. - seven years of it, zero accomplishment. The mainstream media is lined up and has plowed the road for Hillary Clinton to dodge any difficult vetting, but Trump would cut her to ribbons, as he has a sense for the truth and the jugular, and she is extremely vulnerable. The GOP establishment want Jeb Bush in the top spot, not going to happen, as Trump described him, a lazy candidate, can't even climb above the junior Senator of his home state, Florida, Rubio in the race. Trump leads in Florida big - and actually has the Hispanic vote also. What people also forget about Mr. Trump is he is a New Yorker - he knows Hillary, her record, her failures, etc., and has been on the scene in NYC for decades, highly successful. Trump could easily swing New York to the GOP, because of his support for Israel, and the Jewish lobby, which Obama-Clinton-Kerry abandoned as allies. Hillary's record as SOS regarding the Middle East, particularly Israel, is terrible, she is highly vulnerable there by a candidate who understands and deals with those big oil companies operating there - Trump. That the independents are not happy with a Trump-Clinton run, natural, they would prefer a Rand Paul - Bernie Sanders type choice - both standing no chance of winning their parties nominations. My guess is they will examine the American wreckage and divisiveness under Obama's watch, and swing to the GOP, and Mr. Trump, whose skill set in leadership; business expertise, foreign and domestic; knowledge of the financial systems and the economy far outdistances Mrs. Clinton's. The only question is whether the GOP wants to win with Trump, or elect Hillary Clinton by blocking him...........
     
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    That 30% number was those Republicans who stated they would never vote for Trump, not that they would vote for Hillary. I would imagine if the general election came down to Trump and Hillary, most of those 30% of Republicans who state they would never vote for Trump would do so reluctantly. Others would just stay home or vote third party. This happened to Romney or at least white voters. In 2008 100 million white voters went to the polls, in 2012 that declined to 98 million. I have no way of figuring out whom those 2 million would have voted for, but Romney received approximately 60% of the white vote who voted. Just following those guidelines Romney would have received 1.2 million more votes than he did if they had went to the polls. Enough to swing Florida into his column and perhaps Ohio. A lot of white voters did stay home in 2012 instead of voting.

    Obama received 95% and 93% of the black vote. Polls between head to head match ups between Trump and Clinton show Clinton winning the black vote by a an average of 91-6. Only Carson really puts a dent into the black vote averaging 73-19 Clinton. I would say Romney ran a very inept campaign to put it mildly. Here is the Florida polls which shows Trump ahead by 2.4 points in the RCP average.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html

    here is the national polling, Clinton leads Trump by 4.4

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    Most other Republican candidate lead Clinton.

    As for the battle ground states, realizing in trustworthy states in the electoral college Clinton enters with a 247-191 advantage.

    New Hampshire - Clinton up by 6

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html

    Virginia Clinton up by 10.4

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/va/virginia_trump_vs_clinton-5542.html

    North Carolina Clinton up by 2

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nc/north_carolina_trump_vs_clinton-5538.html

    Ohio 2 polls which give Clinton an average lead of 3

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_trump_vs_clinton-5634.html

    Iowa Trump up by 3.5

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html

    Colorado Trump up by 11

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_trump_vs_clinton-5597.html

    Nevada - nothing on a Trump vs. Clinton. Florida you already have. This leaves Trump at 235 electoral votes with 270 needed to win. Now to add insult to injury, Carson and Bush do better than Trump in each of those state polls. There are three states that are a must if a Republican is to win the white house or at least make it a close race, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. A loss in any one of those three states gives the white house to Hillary.
     
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    Palestine's elected government is founded on living in peace adjacent to Israel, with there being a negotiated border.

    The fact that you are unaware of that means you are DECADES behind, since this objective was stated during the Clinton administration if not before.

    Beyond that, when president Abbas formed the unity government with the elected officials of Gaza last year, he required them to agree to a limitation to peaceful means, as well as the objective of living in peace with Israel - which they had previously accepted anyway. That government had ZERO seats for Hamas, by the way. In fact, decades ago under the Clinton administration Gaza stated its agreement to abide by anything West Bank negotiated back during Clinton administration, and it was no particular surprise back then, nor has it changed since.

    Also, the IDF has stated that Abbas is their most important partner in maintaining peace in West Bank under Israel's occupation.


    You are also pathetically wrong about how we create and recognize states today. This notion that you can use the Bible to determine what is OK for Israel to ethnically cleanse is a criminal abomination, obviously.

    Besides, the UNSC has certified Palestine as having the infrastructure required for statehood. And, The UN General Assembly has accepted Palestine as a non-member observer state with rights to join its various organs. Also, more than 130 nations have officially recognized Palestine.

    Israel is killing Palestinians and bulldozing their homes. It's removing Palestinians from their property all across West Bank for one reason - PROFIT. There is NO possibility of claiming that there is ANY other justification for their humanitarian crimes.
     
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    Mornin Stan. Fiorina can cut Hillary to ribbons. Its why Hillary runs away from her. Avoids calling Fiorina out. As she can't handle taking on a real woman. Also, you can tell this by all the weak snivilin whining and crying sissy men that support her. Like her most are Democrats. Sell outs of the Nation.

    So to can Chris Christie. Then there is Rubio who will tear her up over what she alleges to have with overseas experience.

    Getting donors from overseas countries.....doesn't give her any skills. From the Day she was born......she was always going to be an incompetent. As well as a sell out to the country.
     
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    Mitt might love America, but he has nothing but contempt for the average American. To Mitt, the American workforce is a resource to be used, abused, and neglected by people like him. In his first year as governor of Massachusetts Mitt came in last for job creation, and at the end of his term, he was still fourth in job creations. Mitt is pretty good at laying people off, but when it comes to job creation, he sucks.

    Remember Bain Capital. It was his reputation for merging, acquiring and laying people off that denied him the bid for president the last time. If there ever was an establishment candidate, it would be him. His Bain ventures will come back to haunt him again. People will not forget the Mitt who left thousands of Americans unemployed while he outsourced jobs.
     

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