>>MOD WARNING<<Germany threatens retaliation if U.S. sanctions harm its firms

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  1. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    I do not know what is written in Wikipedia. But I know what happened in real life because I lived in Sevastopol. Ukrainian troops surrounded the parliament, turned off the light and water. After a while (maybe a week, I do not remember exactly) the deputies left the parliament. They wanted to arrest the president but he went to Russia. On the roads of the Crimea there were Ukrainian military patrols. And Ukrainian nationalist organizations proclaimed the slogan "Crimea will be Ukrainian or uninhabited".
     
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    An EU army is something totally different that the German army absorbing other armies. So far,.. you're just wrong.
     
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    This country already hates ... and it unties the hands of the leadership. If tomorrow Russia releases a couple of thousand rockets on Germany, then it will be a national holiday.
     
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    O-ok... If could've shoved proofs would've been better, but the slogan seems to been enough to get at least something on Internet.


    Can help identifying who is that piece of ass, demagoguing about "there will be war, and war worse than one going on in Abkhazia"? - a-and no need, googled him myself. Quite a fruit.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Korchynsky
    ...and still acts like an ass, fuсking bloodhungry d'Artagnian 20-years-later.


    ...bu-u-ut that seems to be about it. A one morom who is not considered being fit even for current ukrainian government. I can assume what you say really have happened, but where are evidences? Where proofs?
     
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    Da fuсk?
     
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    Since the EU is under our command, i support the idea. Who if not Germany can this push though? No one.
     
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    It was 1994 year. What evidence do you want? Then the video camera was a rarity. On the Internet there are recordings of telecasts of that time. But I do not have time to look. Korchinsky never aspired to occupy state posts. He is part of the pro-fascist organizations who for many years trained in the Carpathians. If you want, you can search for information. These organizations (trezub for example) had weapons and explosives. They have training camps in the mountains.
     
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    In this video there is a small episode as Ukrainian units search the car. Then the Crimea was full of Ukrainian troops. They body searched everyone indiscriminately and viebivalis.

     
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    yeah right... lol
     
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    Under whose command is it?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...h-ruins-war-how-new-european-empire-was-built

    http://quillette.com/2017/05/19/eu-...ire-peter-hitchens-geopolitics-future-europe/

    https://www.ft.com/content/01db45ba-1c32-11e2-a63b-00144feabdc0

    Welcome to Berlin, Europe’s new capital

    Gideon Rachman

    There is only one European leader who decides. And thats the German chancellor.

    So in a way you are right. The EU is not under our command, since it would mean, that others have to say much. And thats not the case. Berlin decides and others have to follow.

    Merkel installed the EU commission president against others wish.

    The former greek minister Varoufakis expressed it this way: There were negotiations and then the german finance minister entered the room and all simply agreed what he demanded.
     
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    Maybe so. Modern Germans do not understand well. For example, some of them still urge to accept the savages and they are ready to vote for Merkel - These are obvious signs of dementia. Therefore, their rhetoric surprised me. .... Although ... maybe this is at the level of the instinct of self-preservation.
     
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    You have no clue about Germany. I accept zero refugees and yt i vote for Merkel.

    Why? because she blcoks the refugees out. She closed Balkans and now Mediterranean. Her only competitor is super leftist Schulz who is for open borders.
     
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    For how long do you think other EU leaders will acquiesce to German domination?

    Merkel is losing political capital, Macron just became a political juggernaut.

    The French might just be able to save you from yourselves.
     
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    Last time I checked, they still got as many votes as France and Italy.
     
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    Who can counter our economic power? Merkel is losing political capital? You are months behind. Check newest polls. Looks like she doesnt even need SPD for a coalition anymore.
     
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    The centrality of their economy gives them a great deal of influence with the technocrats of the organization.
     
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    Which vote as Germany demands them to vote. Best example Greece. France and Italy wanted less austerity. Germany wanted more and it was done as Germany wants. Italy is nothing and follows as demanded. France is too weak to counter our influence. As the polish PM said, evrything in EU is decided in Berlin.
     
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    If Macron fails to save you from yourselves you're going to learn a very painful lesson: Markets are harder to replace than factories.

    I'm talking longer-term and throughout the EU. The German leadership has lost a lot of face since 2008.
     
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    Greece might disagree. ;)

    The Thing is, we are the best. The rest are losers. By following oir example they have a chance to progress
     
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    If the Germans would like cozier relations with Russia, the US can arrange that. If we leave Germany and NATO, they will be speaking Russian in no time!
     
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    Drumpf, is that you?

    The truth is that the EU cannot exist as it is. It will either democratize or fall apart. If it democratizes the German economic power will fall to the electoral power of the French and southern Europeans combined. If it falls apart the Germans will lose their lucrative markets. Your American and British markets are already at risk, losing the French would be a disaster.
     
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    Since when did economic power ever fall to electoral power? Thats not even the case in Germany itself.
     
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    Simple: If the regulatory apparatus of the EU comes under the command of more democratic institutions economic policy will start to lean in a less pro-German direction.

    Social Democracy can be seen as the use of electoral power to overcome economic power. You're a European brotha, you should know all about it.
     
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    Politics are based on lobbyism and lobbyism is based on economic power.

    Social democracy is dieing in Germany.
     
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    You'll find that "lobbyism" won't win you any favors in France or Italy.

    Electoral power trumps economic power all the time. The election of Trump is an example of it.

    But we can't have this conversation without talking about specifics, as European politics stops wondering about "in or out" it will start wondering about what kind of system they actually want in place. Hatred of the technocratic system is a common position on both the European left and the European right. The current structure cannot stand for long.
     

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