Moderate Muslim: is there such a thing?

Like all religions, Islam sprung from somewhere.

 

yeah, the depths of Hell. imho

 

Not quite. There are a number of Muslim scholars who study the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and they go through a process to decide whether a certain Hadith is authentic or not.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/

Does a good job explaining how it's done.

 

Does that mean you there too? I mean, how else could you know the nature of Hell good enough to make such an observation.

 

Didn't Muhammad forbid his followers to write down what he said?

 

Matthew 7:15-16


“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

 

If Muhammad (pbuh) was a false Prophet, surely God would have stopped Islam from growing into one of the largest and diverse religions on Earth.

Otherwise you limit God's power and insult God by saying an illiterate Arab man 1400 years ago has more influence today than God does.

See.

 

There's no evidence that there is such a thing as a real god. There really isn't any independent evidence that Mohammed was real.

 

I think there's enough documentary evidence to at least conclude that Mohammad was a real person. It helps, of course, if he wasn't reported to have been born of a virgin, come back to life after being executed and ascend skyward in a twisted allegory of what the sun appears to do every December from the perspective of Earth's northern hemisphere.

 

The Bible has already foretold the rise of Islam.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



^What doctrine teaches and practices beheading? Islam. and who wold be more than willing to behead those who prfofess Christ? Islam. Muslims...there you have it.


Also, Any doctrine that is against doctrine taught of Yeshua the Christ, is Anti-Christ. you understand that? Islam is against Christ. wholeheartedly, they preach and teach it. He is not the one. Muhammed is.

Islam is just another empty sistern.

 

Not if "God" is as fictitious as Muhammad's prophet status.. Also, people's gods don't prevent any other evils, so why should one of them stop Muhammad? Why didn't God stop Joseph Smith or L. Ron Hubbard?

 

Your ignorance of Islam and Muslims is showing. Most Muslims are peaceful individuals (though don't partner with any in a business, you will not be pleased....) because most humans (I believe) are peaceful. It takes a certain unhinged individual with an unusual outlook on life, who takes the teachings of islam and mohaMAD and correctly applies them. These are the Muslims. The rest are very bad muslims(a hajj to Mecca will make up for that however). It's like when people call themselves Jewish? Well are most of them applying the teachings of the Torah in their lives? No! Most are born into it and adapt Judaism to their lifestyles, not the other way around. We have freedom of religion in America, but strictly speaking, it is illegal to be a good Muslim here.

 

the Hajj is an Occultic ritual to worship of a Meteorite and Marble stone and have blood sacrifices.

Every year at least people deliberaely stoned to death during the stoning ritual part of the Hajj sceremony. people are trampeled and killed druing the Hajj every year. It's a bloody secret of Islam. It's ritualistic at it's dore.

Religion of Peace indeed.


The devil stoning is the Hajj's most animated ritual and possibly most dangerous as many pilgrims frantically throw rocks, shout insults or hurl flip-flops or shoes at the pillars - acts that are supposed to demonstrate their deep disdain for the devil

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...killed-Saudi-Hajj-stampede.html#ixzz258O46dym

 

False prophet? Would that be Paul, you know, the guy who claimed he had a vision somewhere around Damascus?

Christianity would be a far better religion if Christians would only follow the teachings of Christ, as per the Bible. After all, that's what Christianity is supposed to be about, isn't it? The essence of which, is love thy neighbour, and do to others as you would have others do to you.

How many threads criticising Christianity, started by Muslims, do you see? Can you point out any Muslims implying that Christianity is the religion of the devil, or is otherwise evil?

It would appear that Muslims here are better at following the golden rule in the Bible than you are.

Do you call yourself a Christian?

Dusty

 

There is. But the ratio of extremist / moderate muslims seems to be pretty in favor of the extremists.

http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=1184

 

And what is the Golden Rule of the Bible? Do you even know what that is?

 

Seriously?

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010313.htm

 

You're on the wrong track. Paul was the first person who wrote about Jesus and he was preaching about Jesus in the 30s. So he came up with the Jesus character before that time.

Paul's disciples wrote the gospels in the 50s and 60s. Everything they knew about Jesus came from Paul.

BTW, what did the Jesus character ever say that's so special? His sayings are on the weak side.

 

I am referring to what happened according to the Bible. That's not what it says.

You do know which of his alleged ''sayings'' I'm referring to, don't you?

Dusty

 

So if you believe in that "Golden Rule", shouldn't America be primed for an attack by various countries, since they did unto others in brutal fashion?

 

An NO, ^^^ this ain't the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule is...KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

classed dismissed.

 

You seem to misunderstand the golden rule, as I doubt you think the US wants to be attacked by the countries it attacks

Doing to others as you would have others do to you, means doing to others as you would like others to do to you. Treat others as you would like others to treat you. But, just because you do something to someone else, does not mean they are obliged to do the same to you.

Do you understand the golden rule now?

Dusty

 

Don't you agree with the concept of doing to others as you would have others do to you, and are you not aware that this is generally accepted as being the golden rule of the Bible?

I'm trying to figure out why you disliked my post when all I did was to answer your question, by simply informing you what is generally accepted as being the golden rule.

Dusty

 

You are misinformed. Who said that? Jesus exhorted his followers to obey his commands.