Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    What he said was in plain English and broadcast around the world. He said what he said. Which is very obviously NOT what you claim he said.

    Trump does not own a large real estate company. It is not a large professionally run corporation. It is a family business with larger numbers because he inherited it. Trump knows about every deal. And he is either in the room, or briefed in detail on every discussion. He is a control freak. He is certainly not the world class CEO and great dealmaker that he conned folks like you into thinking he is. His first seven months in office have made that plain.
    BTW, as to you attempt to claim that Trump wasn't in the room.....TRUMP SIGNED A LETTER OF INTENT!!!!!!!!!!

    What is all the more amazing, is that even when you are confronted with written testimony of Trump's dealings, and direct evidence of him lying in his teeth about it, you ignore the facts in plain black and white and continue to try and make ever more feeble and self serving excuses.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    I don't know. The "violent left" seems to consist of a few misfit self proclaimed anarchists who have thrown rocks and hit people.

    Contrary to the fake right wing narrative, these people don't even represent a small portion of the people standing up to the rise of facism, xenophobia and racism in the American right wing.

    Also, they never shot up a school or blew up a Federal building.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    My "allegations" are all documented right there. They are not allegations. Trump's own lawyer told Congress that Trump was working on a deal with Russians while he was running for President, and I've just shown you video of Trump lying about it. Those are FACTS, not allegations. No anonymous sources.
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    Empty rhetoric. Donald Trump is a fool who has consistanty rushed in where angels fear to tread!
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if all that were true there is no crime - go to Dershowitz. It's amazing to see apparently intelligent people go off the rails when blinded by ideology.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump Derangement Syndrome. ^^
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Complete derangement syndrome. ^^
     
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    Just saw Tom Fitton, President of Judicial Watch, commenting about this on the August 31 edition of Tucker Carlson:

    We asked the FBI for documents about any payments they made to the author of the Trump Russia dossier, and they came back to us and they said we can't even confirm or deny whether any such documents exist. So I don't know who's running the FBI -- well I do, but it's certainly not someone with the interests of the American people in terms of getting some transparency about the misconduct of the FBI during the Obama administration as they were working to really nail Trump through this really awkward and, let's put it this way, conspiratorial relationship with the authors of the Trump dossier.
    ...
    This is a two-fer story. You've got Comey protecting Hillary Clinton while targeting Trump at the same time. That's the intervention in the election we need to be investigating. And if I were President Trump, I'd order the DOJ to do an audit of what the FBI and Justice Department were up to last year, including reviewing the handling of the Clinton investigations, and yes, the handling of his investigations as well. He's a victim here, but the American people are too, because they were abusing the political process even more so than any Russians were.

    Hopefully Mueller is looking into everything here...
     
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  9. TomFitz

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    It is all true! Why do you try and pretend that there is any doubt about it???

    Trump's own attorney said so, in front of Congress!!!!

    How can you continue to say "even if it were all true".

    Of course, there's this:

    “Buddy our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Sater wrote in an e-mail. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

    The e-mails show that, from the earliest months of Trump’s campaign, his associates viewed close ties with Moscow as a political advantage. Those ties are now under investigation by the Justice Department and multiple congressional committees."

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...russia-deal/PXje678sZBqmlP1MzJMHZJ/story.html

    This is not a rumor either.

    Felix Sater, the Russian emigre gangster, carries a Trump Organization business card.

    Here's some more about Trump's associate:

    • Felix Sater also has a colorful criminal record. In 1991, he stabbed a man in the face with the stem of a broken margarita glass and went to jail for assault. In 2007, the New York Times reported that he had been accused in 1998 of securities fraud in a massive stock-scam case involving a number of New York mob families. It was later revealed that Sater pleaded guilty in that 1998 case, but that his involvement in it was kept secret, because he became a witness for the government and reportedly continued as such until 2008. Sater is known to have helped build cases against individuals involved in the stock scam and reportedly also cooperated in a case that involved attempting to secure missiles that were being sold on the black market in Afghanistan. (!)
    • Sater disassociated himself from Bayrock and the Trump projects after the 2007 Times story but popped back up in 2010, working for the Trump Organization as a “senior adviser.”
    • A former Bayrock associate of Sater’s filed a lawsuit against Sater which alleges, in the words of a new Bloomberg story by longtime Trump reporter Timothy O’Brien, that “Bayrock was actually a front for money laundering” and took money from Russian sources. At this point, the associate making the accusation does not appear to have any direct evidence to support his claim, but the lawsuit is ongoing.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...rump_robert_mueller_and_andrew_weissmann.html
     
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    And the crime would be ....... crickets.
     
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    Whoever told you this lied to you.
     
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    Accepting a meeting request is not a solicitation.
    See above.
     
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    sounds about correct.....
     
  14. RodB

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    No, I did not (do not) understand a state was investigating; what charges, or like Mueller's investigation state prosecutors don't need any crime.
     
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    Yeah, that is true, if you ignore the fact that, except for Mueller, prosecutor investigations look into actual crimes.
     
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    While I realize that you are amongst those that have decided to avoid looking at your man crush in a bright light, Meuller and company would certainly not be investigating something with no evidence of wrongdoing. Like it or not, you are dealing with quite possibly the best law team on Earth and they are unlikely to waste their time.
    From what few indications they have strategically allowed out for public view, they are gathering an enormous amount of information and testimony from pretty much everyone with ties to Trump with a relatively newfound financial focus which indicates RICO involvement. The addition of state AG/DA cooperation clearly indicates time is closing in and the Pardon card is no longer in play.
    Still, go ahead and ignore what is happening if it makes you feel better, it wont change a damn thing.
     
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    Really, where did you get that? Did you just make it up? Mueller has nothing to lose. If the lawyer opens up to protect her skin, great. If she doesn't, nothing is lost. You are grasping at straws. It is Trump fans who are desperate, not Mueller.

    There is much more to the OP than the subpoena of the lawyer. You picked out one sentence in the OP and focused yourself entirely on it.

    Then go that wrong.
     
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    You have long since ignored the fact of law that prosecutors investigate actual crimes, not suspicions; officers like police and FBI look into suspicious activities that have probable cause. Only police states do otherwise -- well with the exception of Mueller's appointment.
    It eats into the fun discussion too much but it helps to keep in mind that a sitting president cannot be indicted with a crime..... by either a state or a federal grand jury -- only a marxist grand jury/inquisitor.
     
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    And Rather is such a reliable source. I have no idea how, but I guess he ought to know!
     
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    You mean proof that a crime was committed by X, as in a court of law. But what us knowledgeable guys are talking about is proof that a crime was actually committed; by whom is what is proved in court. This stems from the fact that in other than police states prosecutors do not prosecute unless there is a known -- not the suspicion or probable cause or smells like -- crime that has occurred. No one to date has ever documented an actual election crime by Trump.
     
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    No, that's how an investigation by the police or FBI works, based on probable cause. Prosecutors do not prosecute unless an actual known specific crime has been committed, other than in police states.
     
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    Go ahead and tell us what evidence led to this investigation of Trump, especially after Comey admitted Trump was never under investigation.

     
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    This investigation is following standard guidelines used by both the Police and FBI,
    "Full Investigation Law and Legal Definition.
    A full investigation refers to the careful search or examination with an intension to discover facts. This may include questioning of witnesses, forensic examination and investigation of financial records."
     
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    AH, I see. You do not like Trump and likely think he is ugly and not nice. That's why he should be prosecuted and impeached or both.
     
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    But, as AFM asked, I repeat, where is the crime -- meaning crime by statute, not by personal opinion.
     

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